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Televangelist Pat Robertson: 'No Sin In Transsexuality'

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In answering a viewer's concerns about two trans women he works with, the normally anti-LGBT Pat Robertson offered up a defense of transsexuality

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#25 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Since we know of no god existing, it's already godless. Your imaginary friend is not a god, in spite of your claims to the contrary.
Gee it's so nice of you to bash gays and lesbians of faith. Like me.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#27 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Gee it's so nice of you to bash gays and lesbians of faith. Like me.
Sorry, but there is no demonstrable evidence that any god exists. This myth has caused a lot of problems in the world, and created a very common delusion. Delusions are the gateway instability, which we have plenty of evidence to see how and why. This particular delusion is also used to justify many heinous actions which are a detriment to the species.

Ask yourself this: Why do you believe?

If the answer is simple, then you are indoctrinated.

“ TRUTH : NOT EXPEDIENCE”

Since: Nov 07

town near Jax, Fl

#28 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but there is no demonstrable evidence that any god exists. This myth has caused a lot of problems in the world, and created a very common delusion. Delusions are the gateway instability, which we have plenty of evidence to see how and why. This particular delusion is also used to justify many heinous actions which are a detriment to the species.
Ask yourself this: Why do you believe?
If the answer is simple, then you are indoctrinated.
The answer is not simple. Heinous actions are inevitable because man is human and prone to err.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#29 Aug 1, 2013
Catholic created gay wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer is not simple. Heinous actions are inevitable because man is human and prone to err.
True, however the actions that are masked by a mental instability that is accepted by the populace becomes more difficult to intervene before causing too much damage. Once exposed, and the delusion is not accepted by the majority, then such behaviors are more discernible at a point which will minimize the damage caused to the species and society.

While there is no way to prevent all such acts, offering those capable of them fewer places to hide makes prevention a lot easier, and an ounce of prevention ....

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#31 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but there is no demonstrable evidence that any god exists. This myth has caused a lot of problems in the world, and created a very common delusion. Delusions are the gateway instability, which we have plenty of evidence to see how and why. This particular delusion is also used to justify many heinous actions which are a detriment to the species.
Ask yourself this: Why do you believe?
If the answer is simple, then you are indoctrinated.
Ask yourself this: Why do you dis-believe?
If the answer is simple, then you are indoctrinated.

You are as intractable as any holy roller fundie.

I simply pointed out that many of us have faith and you attacked me.

Thanks.

Troll on little girl

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#32 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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True, however the actions that are masked by a mental instability that is accepted by the populace becomes more difficult to intervene before causing too much damage. Once exposed, and the delusion is not accepted by the majority, then such behaviors are more discernible at a point which will minimize the damage caused to the species and society.
While there is no way to prevent all such acts, offering those capable of them fewer places to hide makes prevention a lot easier, and an ounce of prevention ....
Oh so now I'm a mental case too? Nice to see you echoing Ass Troll Stopper.

Religion isn't the problem and your simplistic approach is just as bad as the one you put down.

Was it arrogant asses like you that helped us make the gains we have, or those of faith who quietly worked with us to bring the message of love and compassion to the front of the page instead of the hate and focus on sex and sin you whine about.

I have no idea your age but I suspect I've been in this fight longer than you've been alive.

When you first showed up I liked you. I don't any more. You ape the same behavior you criticise and do EXACTLY what they do when faced with criticism.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#33 Aug 1, 2013
@ kitten. I forgot to mention that when 75% of a person's posts are responses to ass troll stopper they aren't really doing much to further equality. They are simply arguing with another fool.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#34 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Ask yourself this: Why do you dis-believe?
If the answer is simple, then you are indoctrinated.
You are as intractable as any holy roller fundie.
I simply pointed out that many of us have faith and you attacked me.
Thanks.
Troll on little girl
There is nothing to believe, and that's the problem you are failing to see. Where is your demonstrable evidence? Not one religious "believer" has ever demonstrated any evidence, and this "faith" is just a lie they tell themselves, otherwise they'd never go to the doctor or participate in the rest of society at all.

Also, do not confuse an attack with an attempt to make you think about what snake oil you are buying. There have been over a million gods proposed by "believers," but none have any supporting evidence, why is one any different than the other? Thing is, if there is a god, it won't be human like in any way, you'd not recognize it, and it would not display human characteristics, behaviors, or emotions, it would be utterly alien to us.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#35 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
@ kitten. I forgot to mention that when 75% of a person's posts are responses to ass troll stopper they aren't really doing much to further equality. They are simply arguing with another fool.
I concur, it's why I do not respond to him very often.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#36 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing to believe, and that's the problem you are failing to see. Where is your demonstrable evidence? Not one religious "believer" has ever demonstrated any evidence, and this "faith" is just a lie they tell themselves, otherwise they'd never go to the doctor or participate in the rest of society at all.
Also, do not confuse an attack with an attempt to make you think about what snake oil you are buying. There have been over a million gods proposed by "believers," but none have any supporting evidence, why is one any different than the other? Thing is, if there is a god, it won't be human like in any way, you'd not recognize it, and it would not display human characteristics, behaviors, or emotions, it would be utterly alien to us.
So basically what you are saying is that just like fundamentalists if we disagree with you we are wrong and must be fixed.

I fail to see what my personal beliefs in spiritual things has to do with how you live your life or how it affects you. I haven't tried to impose my beliefs onto you (something you can't say yourself BTW). My faith helps give me strength when I get down. It helps me connect with others. It helps me examine how I treat others. It gives me a way to relate to people who don't agree with me.

Does your dictatorial style do the same for you?

You'd rather I not be allowed to do any of those things unless I follow your rules. Just like anti gays do when it comes to marriage.

You are just as much a fascist in that respect as those who insist their church and their interpretation is the one true way and all others must be destroyed.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#37 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So basically what you are saying is that just like fundamentalists if we disagree with you we are wrong and must be fixed.
....
Nope, but if you disagree with reality and put your mythology in it's place, you are delusional, that is what delusion is.

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#38 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, but if you disagree with reality and put your mythology in it's place, you are delusional, that is what delusion is.
For many, it is an experience rather than a belief. Like the late Jimmy Hendrix used to say in a song, "Are you experienced?"

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#39 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nope, but if you disagree with reality and put your mythology in it's place, you are delusional, that is what delusion is.
Let's look at it a different way. Let's just say you have an opinion that those who have faith are delusional. How is your adamantcy regarding your personal opinion any different than those who are adamant about their personal religious opinions?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#40 Aug 2, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's look at it a different way. Let's just say you have an opinion that those who have faith are delusional. How is your adamantcy regarding your personal opinion any different than those who are adamant about their personal religious opinions?
It's not an opinion, it is the definition of delusion, I didn't call that state of thought delusion, someone else did. Believing something which has no demonstrable supporting evidence to supersede reality is delusion.

There is no "experiencing" it, we have a complete understanding of all "feelings," emotions, and even hallucinations often associated with religious "experiences."

I am being honest, perhaps you can call me blunt, but a spade is a spade, and allowing delusions to be considered reality has done only harm to our species, as is evident in how difficult it is to progress and advance, the fewer people who possess this particular delusion, the faster our species improves. The next generation will have those with god delusions to be in the minority, which is great news, but I cannot pretend that the delusion of someone's imaginary friend ruling the universe is healthy for anyone.
Frontline Fighter

Mckeesport, PA

#41 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing to believe, and that's the problem you are failing to see. Where is your demonstrable evidence? Not one religious "believer" has ever demonstrated any evidence, and this "faith" is just a lie they tell themselves, otherwise they'd never go to the doctor or participate in the rest of society at all.
Also, do not confuse an attack with an attempt to make you think about what snake oil you are buying. There have been over a million gods proposed by "believers," but none have any supporting evidence, why is one any different than the other? Thing is, if there is a god, it won't be human like in any way, you'd not recognize it, and it would not display human characteristics, behaviors, or emotions, it would be utterly alien to us.
Kitten Koder: I am the evidence. I would be dead if not for God and faith. We'll never know how many people are dead who could have had their lives saved had they turned to God instead of drugs, alcohol, risky behavior, suicide, etc. Just looking around at my life, however, I can pinpoint many who are dead from those causes who did not have faith or God in their lives. On the other hand, I see many, many folks who LIVE in God's light without drugs, alcohol, and other risky behaviors. We do not see God (yet) but we see much evidence of Him if we are willing to look. You, KK, are not willing to look.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not an opinion, it is the definition of delusion, I didn't call that state of thought delusion, someone else did. Believing something which has no demonstrable supporting evidence to supersede reality is delusion.
There is no "experiencing" it, we have a complete understanding of all "feelings," emotions, and even hallucinations often associated with religious "experiences."
I am being honest, perhaps you can call me blunt, but a spade is a spade, and allowing delusions to be considered reality has done only harm to our species, as is evident in how difficult it is to progress and advance, the fewer people who possess this particular delusion, the faster our species improves. The next generation will have those with god delusions to be in the minority, which is great news, but I cannot pretend that the delusion of someone's imaginary friend ruling the universe is healthy for anyone.
Sorry, but your underlying assumption is false because the existence or non-existence of God can neither be proved nor disproved. It is a mystical experience some have and some don't.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43 Aug 2, 2013
Frontline Fighter wrote:
<quoted text>
Kitten Koder: I am the evidence. I would be dead if not for God and faith. We'll never know how many people are dead who could have had their lives saved had they turned to God instead of drugs, alcohol, risky behavior, suicide, etc. Just looking around at my life, however, I can pinpoint many who are dead from those causes who did not have faith or God in their lives. On the other hand, I see many, many folks who LIVE in God's light without drugs, alcohol, and other risky behaviors. We do not see God (yet) but we see much evidence of Him if we are willing to look. You, KK, are not willing to look.
Thank you for sharing your heart-felt experience and aptly illustrating my point.

Blessings.
Frontline Fighter

Mckeesport, PA

#44 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Since we know of no god existing, it's already godless. Your imaginary friend is not a god, in spite of your claims to the contrary.
No, it isn't godless. As long as people believe, God is in the world. A truly godless world would be one in which no on believed. I agree with Chance. You truly do deserve to live in a world like that, but I don't and neither do a lot of the people that I know.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#45 Aug 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not an opinion, it is the definition of delusion, I didn't call that state of thought delusion, someone else did. Believing something which has no demonstrable supporting evidence to supersede reality is delusion.
There is no "experiencing" it, we have a complete understanding of all "feelings," emotions, and even hallucinations often associated with religious "experiences."
I am being honest, perhaps you can call me blunt, but a spade is a spade, and allowing delusions to be considered reality has done only harm to our species, as is evident in how difficult it is to progress and advance, the fewer people who possess this particular delusion, the faster our species improves. The next generation will have those with god delusions to be in the minority, which is great news, but I cannot pretend that the delusion of someone's imaginary friend ruling the universe is healthy for anyone.
Denying other people's experiences is insulting. Is that your intention?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#46 Aug 2, 2013
Frontline Fighter wrote:
<quoted text>
Kitten Koder: I am the evidence. I would be dead if not for God and faith. We'll never know how many people are dead who could have had their lives saved had they turned to God instead of drugs, alcohol, risky behavior, suicide, etc. Just looking around at my life, however, I can pinpoint many who are dead from those causes who did not have faith or God in their lives. On the other hand, I see many, many folks who LIVE in God's light without drugs, alcohol, and other risky behaviors. We do not see God (yet) but we see much evidence of Him if we are willing to look. You, KK, are not willing to look.
Every single such "miracle" has proven to be nothing more than ignoring the reality of the situation. Also your "testimony" is not demonstrable evidence, it's nothing more than hearsay. You also disgrace human strength and ability, you credit all accomplishments to your god, while blaming even victims for failures. That is just how much your delusion has weakened your connection to reality.

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