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Televangelist Pat Robertson: 'No Sin In Transsexuality'

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In answering a viewer's concerns about two trans women he works with, the normally anti-LGBT Pat Robertson offered up a defense of transsexuality

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#1 Jul 29, 2013
Oh how big of him. LOL

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#3 Jul 29, 2013
Something tells me donations to the 700 Club have been down for several months now. Pat's doing this to make money and get free advertising.

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#5 Jul 29, 2013
The AssTroll Stopper wrote:
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You [email protected] are never happy with anything. No wonder no one wants to do anything positive for you freaks.
Go have another drink, then sleep it off.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#7 Jul 29, 2013
Transgender is a whole lot easier to understand than gay.

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#8 Jul 29, 2013
Chance wrote:
Transgender is a whole lot easier to understand than gay.
That's interesting. You can relate to someone with a gender identity that doesn't match their physical body. Yet you can't comprehend same sex attraction.

Now that Pat Robertson has support the trans community you jump on board, but when Bishop Desmond Tutu stands with us you refuse to match his spiritual example.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#9 Jul 29, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>That's interesting. You can relate to someone with a gender identity that doesn't match their physical body. Yet you can't comprehend same sex attraction.
Now that Pat Robertson has support the trans community you jump on board, but when Bishop Desmond Tutu stands with us you refuse to match his spiritual example.
It is nothing to do with Robertson. Here's the thing: transgender people say that something is wrong, that they aren't made right. They take the steps to correct it. Gay people refuse to acknowledge that something is wrong about the way they are put together, and, of course, refuse to try to fix the problem. I get it that people have problems that need to be fixed. But I just can't believe that gay is "normal." And I said this a least two years ago, long before Robertson's commment.

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#10 Jul 29, 2013
Chance wrote:
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It is nothing to do with Robertson. Here's the thing: transgender people say that something is wrong, that they aren't made right. They take the steps to correct it. Gay people refuse to acknowledge that something is wrong about the way they are put together, and, of course, refuse to try to fix the problem. I get it that people have problems that need to be fixed. But I just can't believe that gay is "normal." And I said this a least two years ago, long before Robertson's commment.
I was unaware until now you felt this way aboiut transexuals. That is why I mistakenly associated your statement with Robertson.

For years growing up I felt something was wrong with me ONLY because that was the message society vehemently pushed. Then I came to realise that my sexual attraction was normal for some people.

I found that some cultures considered people like me to be "twin souled"

Chance gay isn't normal to you and never will be because you are not gay. I have no problem with that. Heterosexual sex isn't normal to me but I'm not trying to tell other people straights are messed up. That would be stupid.

When I saw your comment I felt I might help you understand things easier. Just as transexauls feel their body doesn't match their physical gender, my sexual orientation doesn't match a heterosexual's. My brother got our Dad's sexual orientation, my sisters and I got my Mom's.

In any case I'm glad you bear no ill will toward transexuals.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

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#11 Jul 29, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
wow amazing... but good for him
Don't be too keen on that, accepting one of the groups does not make him an accepting or good person. Pat is a scumbag like all other bigots.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#12 Jul 29, 2013
Chance wrote:
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It is nothing to do with Robertson. Here's the thing: transgender people say that something is wrong, that they aren't made right. They take the steps to correct it. Gay people refuse to acknowledge that something is wrong about the way they are put together, and, of course, refuse to try to fix the problem. I get it that people have problems that need to be fixed. But I just can't believe that gay is "normal." And I said this a least two years ago, long before Robertson's commment.
Yes, but the method they use to correct it is not accepted by bigots. Oddly, it is the only method to correct their problem, and it's not "making them deny who they are." Not only that, but what the transgendered people say is "wrong" with them, is not what bigots claim is "wrong" with them. The reality is nothing is wrong with transgendered people, anymore than something is wrong with a woman who wants breast reduction or a male who pierces their thing is wrong. Both homosexuals and transgendered people are who they should be, and neither should listen to the likes of you.

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#13 Jul 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, but the method they use to correct it is not accepted by bigots. Oddly, it is the only method to correct their problem, and it's not "making them deny who they are." Not only that, but what the transgendered people say is "wrong" with them, is not what bigots claim is "wrong" with them. The reality is nothing is wrong with transgendered people, anymore than something is wrong with a woman who wants breast reduction or a male who pierces their thing is wrong. Both homosexuals and transgendered people are who they should be, and neither should listen to the likes of you.
I like your post and mostly agree. I am pretty familiar with 'chance' and his writings. I think we should give him the credit he's due about his feelings about transexuals.

Given time I honestly believe he will also update his views on gays and lesbians.

There's a guy on here (FlBadcat) who always gets a hard time from most gays on here. He and I are friends. He doesn't approve of homosexuality because of his religious beliefs BUT he also doesn't like how we are treated under the law and supports our struggle.

But because he has a strong faith and won't buckle inder to the hard core gays on here he is often attacked just as viciously as the anti gays attack us. I don't like seeing my gay brothers and sisters behaving like Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum.

Neither badcat or chance deserve that kind of abuse.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#14 Jul 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I like your post and mostly agree. I am pretty familiar with 'chance' and his writings. I think we should give him the credit he's due about his feelings about transexuals.
Given time I honestly believe he will also update his views on gays and lesbians.
There's a guy on here (FlBadcat) who always gets a hard time from most gays on here. He and I are friends. He doesn't approve of homosexuality because of his religious beliefs BUT he also doesn't like how we are treated under the law and supports our struggle.
But because he has a strong faith and won't buckle inder to the hard core gays on here he is often attacked just as viciously as the anti gays attack us. I don't like seeing my gay brothers and sisters behaving like Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum.
Neither badcat or chance deserve that kind of abuse.
Thank you, DNF. That is one of the best posts I have seen on this forum. I, too, believe gays should have equal rights in issues like jobs and housing. I just don't think that the definition of marriage should be destroyed to affirm homosexuality. There is too much to lose and very little to gain, especially since gays themselves have done studies that show the majority of gays and lesbians do not recognize that marriage calls for monogamous relationships. I firmly believe that God ordained and established marriage and set up the criteria for what marriage is. Any changes made in the definition are coming from man playing god, not God himself. I would have been all about gay rights except for this marriage issue.

“I Am No One Else”

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#15 Jul 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I like your post and mostly agree. I am pretty familiar with 'chance' and his writings. I think we should give him the credit he's due about his feelings about transexuals.
Given time I honestly believe he will also update his views on gays and lesbians.
There's a guy on here (FlBadcat) who always gets a hard time from most gays on here. He and I are friends. He doesn't approve of homosexuality because of his religious beliefs BUT he also doesn't like how we are treated under the law and supports our struggle.
But because he has a strong faith and won't buckle inder to the hard core gays on here he is often attacked just as viciously as the anti gays attack us. I don't like seeing my gay brothers and sisters behaving like Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum.
Neither badcat or chance deserve that kind of abuse.
For Chance, as I said, it's simply the person redefining what something is in an attempt to make them look bad while playing the "good" person in this.

As for the other, not approving of something is a politically correct way of saying you don't like it, nothing more. The religion is just an excuse to avoid blame for such. Faith in something that is not substantiated in fact is delusion or lies, neither of which is good to base any opinions on, and both are often used to justify heinous crimes against humanity. Fence posts tend to always have some sort of deficiency, either the delusion or being liars.

There is more reality under the sun than any religious myth could usurp.

DNF

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#16 Jul 30, 2013
Chance wrote:
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Thank you, DNF. That is one of the best posts I have seen on this forum. I, too, believe gays should have equal rights in issues like jobs and housing. I just don't think that the definition of marriage should be destroyed to affirm homosexuality. There is too much to lose and very little to gain, especially since gays themselves have done studies that show the majority of gays and lesbians do not recognize that marriage calls for monogamous relationships. I firmly believe that God ordained and established marriage and set up the criteria for what marriage is. Any changes made in the definition are coming from man playing god, not God himself. I would have been all about gay rights except for this marriage issue.
Fair enough. I'll address the fidelity issue first. Because I don't like the stereotyping that gays and lesbians are more promiscuous than our brothers and sisters who are heterosexual.

I don't deny that many see us as freerer in our sexual activities than heteropsexuals. Most SS couples I know put as very big emphasis on fidelity and monogamy. If you open any of the "free newspapers" around the country you will see far more ads for heterosexual hook ups and escorts that for gays and lesbians. Look at the divorce rate among heterosexuals. The ads by swingers. The amount of infidelity is just as bad IMO. In fact in many cultures over the centuries if a man didn't have both a wife and mistress (two or more were even better) he wasn't considered successful!

Now you said, "I just don't think that the definition of marriage should be destroyed to affirm homosexuality. There is too much to lose and very little to gain,". I have a LOT of trouble on that one. Why?

Because for most of us, our decision to marry is because we VALUE the same IDEALS you do about marriage. We were raised with those ideals. I don't see it as an endorsement of homosecxuality I see it as an endorsement of TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES.

You and I both know marriage is about much more than getting our rocks off. I suspect you get just as angry as I do when people REDUCE our parents marriages to simply "Is she or he really good in the sack?" Your parents marriage was about commitment and family. Just as mine were. NorCalNative and her partner married for those reasons. Same with every other gay or lesbian on here who has been part of a couples for years.

I don't mean to be vulgar but lets face it, if marriage for you and I was just about shooting a load we'd want to marry our own hands!

Yes I know the idea of same sex activity turns you off. But so does talking about what our own parents like to do when the lights go down and the romance begins.

When you see a marriage announcement in the paper for a heterosexual couple you know, I am sure you don't first wonder if they have great sex or if he knocked her up and is 'doing the right thing'. My guess is your first reaction is to wish them well and probably even think, "well it's about time"!

I don't believe it's that hard for you to feel the same about us. You already see the discrimination we face in other areas and you empathise with that. In fact I KNOW it makes you angry because you ARE a good person who DOES believe laws should be fair.

Please think on my words. And may God bless you and yours.

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#17 Jul 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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For Chance, as I said, it's simply the person redefining what something is in an attempt to make them look bad while playing the "good" person in this.
As for the other, not approving of something is a politically correct way of saying you don't like it, nothing more. The religion is just an excuse to avoid blame for such. Faith in something that is not substantiated in fact is delusion or lies, neither of which is good to base any opinions on, and both are often used to justify heinous crimes against humanity. Fence posts tend to always have some sort of deficiency, either the delusion or being liars.
There is more reality under the sun than any religious myth could usurp.
I'm REALLY getting tired of you attacking peoples beliefs in a God.

You don't want to believe that's fine with me.

Truth be told, IMO your post could just as easily be written by a homophobe with minor changes to a few words.

All your atheistic attacks on religion and faith haven't really converted anyone to your views have they? They certainly don't demonstrate your claim of "live and let live".

Your attacks on chance and his spiritual beliefs simply drive him and MANY others to be more defensive. I have tried to ask Lilith to tone it down a bit and she does for a time.

If we want them to try to understand, if we want them to be able to see what it's like to walk in our shoes for a time, we have to make sure we do the same and understand where they are coming from and what they fear.

This issue for some is a threat to everything they ever believed in. Keep that in mind please and hopefully you'll begin to be less aggressive. Be assertive yes. But I think both sides need to temper our opinions with a touch of compassion as well.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#18 Jul 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I'm REALLY getting tired of you attacking peoples beliefs in a God.
You don't want to believe that's fine with me.
Truth be told, IMO your post could just as easily be written by a homophobe with minor changes to a few words.
All your atheistic attacks on religion and faith haven't really converted anyone to your views have they? They certainly don't demonstrate your claim of "live and let live".
Your attacks on chance and his spiritual beliefs simply drive him and MANY others to be more defensive. I have tried to ask Lilith to tone it down a bit and she does for a time.
If we want them to try to understand, if we want them to be able to see what it's like to walk in our shoes for a time, we have to make sure we do the same and understand where they are coming from and what they fear.
This issue for some is a threat to everything they ever believed in. Keep that in mind please and hopefully you'll begin to be less aggressive. Be assertive yes. But I think both sides need to temper our opinions with a touch of compassion as well.
Sorry, but I do not like people with delusions, and such mental deficiencies should be corrected by a trained medical practitioner, not allowed to fester and infect the rest of society as we have allowed to do for too long. "Live and let live" is a fallacy in itself, because delusions, and this god one is one perfect example of such, do open the gateway to many problems that impact everyone. When the rest of you behave like the Amish, then we can "live and let live," but that is not the case.

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#19 Jul 31, 2013
Chance wrote:
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Thank you, DNF. That is one of the best posts I have seen on this forum. I, too, believe gays should have equal rights in issues like jobs and housing. I just don't think that the definition of marriage should be destroyed to affirm homosexuality. There is too much to lose and very little to gain, especially since gays themselves have done studies that show the majority of gays and lesbians do not recognize that marriage calls for monogamous relationships. I firmly believe that God ordained and established marriage and set up the criteria for what marriage is. Any changes made in the definition are coming from man playing god, not God himself. I would have been all about gay rights except for this marriage issue.
Do civil unions really do what the anti gays said they would do?

Well well well. Looks like the claims by the bigots that civil unions will do the same thing as marriage is unraveling in KY.

Exclusive: Will a lesbian couple be forced to testify against each other?

http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/Exclu...

I hope we get this to be a big buzz on the internet. It will be interesting to hear the usual suspects respond,(Hannity, Limbaugh, Nom, AFA, Robertson, O'Reilly, etc.).

I Love it! PLEASE promote this story everywhere: Facebook; Twitter; etc.

Oh and all you anti gays who backed civil unions.....

1. Abiding Truth Ministries (Scott Lively)
.
2. American Family Association (Tim Wildmon; Bryan Fischer)
.
3. Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (Peter LaBarbera)
.
4. American Vision (Gary DeMar)
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5. Chalcedon Foundation (R. J. Rushdoony)
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6. Christian Anti-Defamation Commission (Gary Cass)
.
7. Concerned Women for America (Beverly LaHaye)
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8. Coral Ridge Ministries (Robert Knight)
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9. Dove World Outreach Center (Terry Jones)
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10. Faithful Word Baptist Church (Steven Anderson)
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11. Family Research Council (Tony Perkins)
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12. Family research Institute (Paul Cameron)
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13. Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment (Wayne Lela)
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14. Illinois Family Institute (Laurie Higgins)
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15. Liberty Council (Matt Barber; Peter LaBarbera)
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16. Mass Resistance (Brian Camenker)
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17. National Organization for Marriage (Maggie Gallagher; Robert George; Brian Brown)
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18. Traditional Values Coalition (Lou Sheldon; Andrea Lafferty)

……..checkmate!

LMAO (sorry chance)
Chance

Grove City, PA

#21 Jul 31, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough. I'll address the fidelity issue first. Because I don't like the stereotyping that gays and lesbians are more promiscuous than our brothers and sisters who are heterosexual.
I don't deny that many see us as freerer in our sexual activities than heteropsexuals. Most SS couples I know put as very big emphasis on fidelity and monogamy. If you open any of the "free newspapers" around the country you will see far more ads for heterosexual hook ups and escorts that for gays and lesbians. Look at the divorce rate among heterosexuals. The ads by swingers. The amount of infidelity is just as bad IMO. In fact in many cultures over the centuries if a man didn't have both a wife and mistress (two or more were even better) he wasn't considered successful!
Now you said, "I just don't think that the definition of marriage should be destroyed to affirm homosexuality. There is too much to lose and very little to gain,". I have a LOT of trouble on that one. Why?
Because for most of us, our decision to marry is because we VALUE the same IDEALS you do about marriage. We were raised with those ideals. I don't see it as an endorsement of homosecxuality I see it as an endorsement of TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES.
You and I both know marriage is about much more than getting our rocks off. I suspect you get just as angry as I do when people REDUCE our parents marriages to simply "Is she or he really good in the sack?" Your parents marriage was about commitment and family. Just as mine were. NorCalNative and her partner married for those reasons. Same with every other gay or lesbian on here who has been part of a couples for years.
I don't mean to be vulgar but lets face it, if marriage for you and I was just about shooting a load we'd want to marry our own hands!
Yes I know the idea of same sex activity turns you off. But so does talking about what our own parents like to do when the lights go down and the romance begins.
When you see a marriage announcement in the paper for a heterosexual couple you know, I am sure you don't first wonder if they have great sex or if he knocked her up and is 'doing the right thing'. My guess is your first reaction is to wish them well and probably even think, "well it's about time"!
I don't believe it's that hard for you to feel the same about us. You already see the discrimination we face in other areas and you empathise with that. In fact I KNOW it makes you angry because you ARE a good person who DOES believe laws should be fair.
Please think on my words. And may God bless you and yours.
I will indeed think on your words because you have stated this so clearly and nicely. BTW, I don't always wish straight people well when they marry. Some of them I shake my head and wonder why on earth they are getting married. Some of them I predict will not last, and I've been right about that a few times. Also, you say you value traditional family values, but doing such a non-traditional thing with a family institution is sort of like saying, "I love pizza but please hold the tomato sauce and cheese and put on peanut butter and jelly instead." Saying that would mean you don't really like pizza at all. Traditional families are a father, a mother, and children. Gays are taking that model and saying either the father or the mother is not a part of it any more. Also, truthfully, neither marriage nor sex is about "shooting a load" for me. I'll keep thinking about this and post any other thoughts that come up. God bless you, as well.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#22 Jul 31, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Sorry, but I do not like people with delusions, and such mental deficiencies should be corrected by a trained medical practitioner, not allowed to fester and infect the rest of society as we have allowed to do for too long. "Live and let live" is a fallacy in itself, because delusions, and this god one is one perfect example of such, do open the gateway to many problems that impact everyone. When the rest of you behave like the Amish, then we can "live and let live," but that is not the case.
KittenKoder, you deserve to live in a godless world. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#23 Aug 1, 2013
Chance wrote:
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KittenKoder, you deserve to live in a godless world. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.
Since we know of no god existing, it's already godless. Your imaginary friend is not a god, in spite of your claims to the contrary.

DNF

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#24 Aug 1, 2013
Chance wrote:
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I will indeed think on your words because you have stated this so clearly and nicely. BTW, I don't always wish straight people well when they marry. Some of them I shake my head and wonder why on earth they are getting married. Some of them I predict will not last, and I've been right about that a few times. Also, you say you value traditional family values, but doing such a non-traditional thing with a family institution is sort of like saying, "I love pizza but please hold the tomato sauce and cheese and put on peanut butter and jelly instead." Saying that would mean you don't really like pizza at all. Traditional families are a father, a mother, and children. Gays are taking that model and saying either the father or the mother is not a part of it any more. Also, truthfully, neither marriage nor sex is about "shooting a load" for me. I'll keep thinking about this and post any other thoughts that come up. God bless you, as well.
Thanks chance. And I agree about some marriages. I'm sure many have attended wedding where half the guests had the "What are they thinking" look on their faces as the couples face the altar, but smiles when they turn around (it's the polite thing to do after all; we're guests).

Now about the pizza. So you don't think white pizza is real pizza? LOL. Seriously though I do understand where you are coming from, I just don't agree.

I really wish we could drop the whole "SSM deprives a child of a mother and father" bit. It's a great back up line that ignores several things, basic biology being one.

Have you ever met a person who didn't have a biological mother or a biological father?

The claim also ignore the fact that not every gay couple WANTS children, just like heterosexual couples. It also ignores and in fact DEAMEANS the heterosexyals who marry and can't produce children. It's basically a nicer way of saying, if you don't pump out babies your marriage isn't valid. Which is still the basic idea that marriage is just about sex.

Thanks again and hope you are well.

(Peanut butter pizza; YUCK! I'm going to have nightmares now.)

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