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There are 1053 comments on the Time story from Jul 16, 2012, titled God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions. In it, Time reports that:

There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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#964 Nov 25, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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....... So libs and dems jumped on the boat to make sure the illegal parents with the legally born infant could be eligible for welfare programs to give financial aide to the infant. Understand? Illegal parents and or single illegal mothers with legally born infant(s) are the largest group sucking up US tax dollars spent on welfare programs. It's one of the reasons why California is spelled in red letters financially.
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Aren't most of the people on Welfare the American working poor?

And doesn't CA court low wage workers (illegals) to work seasonally in the farming community? If those workers weren't there, would YOU pick oranges for 6 bucks an hour? I bet you buy them, though.

How about promoting a sane way to solve the illegal problem, instead of this ridiculous game we play.

You complain about Dems supporting illegals? Try Bush. He and his cronies had the lowest deportation rates, right up until the economy began to tank. Lower than Clinton. Lower than Obama.

Why?

Cheap labor for industry - supporting business interests over anything else.

Learn the facts before spouting off. And then, support a rational solution.

Since: Mar 09

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#965 Nov 25, 2012
Quest wrote:
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So, we are not to live as He lived? His death was more important than His life?
How odd.
"Odd" indeed. But pure Saul.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#966 Nov 25, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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"restarted?" Huh?
Free cell phones started under Bush. The program is called Safe Link, and it is NOT funded by taxpayers.
You wrote:
"Illegal parents and or single illegal mothers with legally born infant(s) are the largest group sucking up US tax dollars spent on welfare programs." You cannot prove one word of that because it is a lie.
Listen, you write intelligent posts most of the time without a lot of BS like robbyboy so I'll help you out here. I've did research for two decades. When you want to prove a point, Google your point and read several links to get both pro and con sides and see which is more for or against your position.
Next, your Safe link is another name for the lifeline program. Here's the link that proves that... https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Safelink/pro...
From that site comes the following that proves US tax dollars fund it as you stated it didn't.
"How to Qualify
The process to qualify for Lifeline Service depends on the State you live in. In general, you may qualify if...

You already participate in other State or Federal assistance program such as Federal Public Housing Assistance, Food Stamps and Medicaid.
OR

Your total household income is at or below of the poverty guidelines set by your State and/or the Federal Government.
AND

No one in your household currently receives Lifeline Service through another phone carrier.
You have a valid United States Postal Address. In order for us to ship you your free phone you must live at a residence that can receive mail from the US Post Office or have a valid P.O. Box.
In addition to meeting the guidelines above you will also be required to provide proof of your participation in an assistance program, or proof of your income level.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#967 Nov 25, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
You wrote:
"Illegal parents and or single illegal mothers with legally born infant(s) are the largest group sucking up US tax dollars spent on welfare programs." You cannot prove one word of that because it is a lie.
I used one link to offer the following information. If you disbelieve it (which you will) I suggest you Google "How much do illegal aliens cost the US government?" and read some further facts from the US government itself.
The following information came from CIS Center for Immigration Studies.

CIS estimated that welfare payments to illegal immigrant households averaged $1,040 per household in 2001, mainly Medicaid "on behalf of their U.S.-born children." But the report did not attempt to come up with a total for all such households.

...the CIS report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion... The 2.5 billion figure for Medicaid to such households is quoted accurately, but again, much of this was in benefits for U.S.-born children, who are citizens.

Most interesting is that the CIS report includes a total net cost estimate to the federal government for illegal immigrants of just under $10.4 billion for the year,...That doesn't include any potential costs to state or local governments,...

CIS report: Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.

Robert Rector, Oct. 29, 2006: Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year, and they would pay very little in taxes. It’s important to remember that at least half of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts.

I can research more modern figures for you if you wish? Most of those figures are 6 to 11 years old.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#968 Nov 25, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren't most of the people on Welfare the American working poor?
And doesn't CA court low wage workers (illegals) to work seasonally in the farming community? If those workers weren't there, would YOU pick oranges for 6 bucks an hour? I bet you buy them, though.
How about promoting a sane way to solve the illegal problem, instead of this ridiculous game we play.
You complain about Dems supporting illegals? Try Bush. He and his cronies had the lowest deportation rates, right up until the economy began to tank. Lower than Clinton. Lower than Obama.
Why?
Cheap labor for industry - supporting business interests over anything else.
Learn the facts before spouting off. And then, support a rational solution.
Before you make a reply to what wasn't discussed, read what was being discussed first, just saying :) Mona didn't believe illegal aliens were receiving state and federal aid. Our conversation had nothing to do with the pros and cons of immigration :)
Robsan5

United States

#969 Nov 25, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I used one link to offer the following information. If you disbelieve it (which you will) I suggest you Google "How much do illegal aliens cost the US government?" and read some further facts from the US government itself.
The following information came from CIS Center for Immigration Studies.
CIS estimated that welfare payments to illegal immigrant households averaged $1,040 per household in 2001, mainly Medicaid "on behalf of their U.S.-born children." But the report did not attempt to come up with a total for all such households.
...the CIS report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion... The 2.5 billion figure for Medicaid to such households is quoted accurately, but again, much of this was in benefits for U.S.-born children, who are citizens.
Most interesting is that the CIS report includes a total net cost estimate to the federal government for illegal immigrants of just under $10.4 billion for the year,...That doesn't include any potential costs to state or local governments,...
CIS report: Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
Robert Rector, Oct. 29, 2006: Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year, and they would pay very little in taxes. It’s important to remember that at least half of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts.
I can research more modern figures for you if you wish? Most of those figures are 6 to 11 years old.
Wow, being pointless must really suck, NoClue.
You see, the topic of this thread concerns same- sex marriage.
Your inability to equate same-sex marriage with the children born of illegal immigrates points straight at your stupidity.

Robert

Since: Mar 09

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#970 Nov 25, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
So, we are not to live as He lived? His death was more important than His life?
How odd.
Of course not.

It's far easier than living according to his actual message.
Robsan5

United States

#971 Nov 25, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I used one link to offer the following information. If you disbelieve it (which you will) I suggest you Google "How much do illegal aliens cost the US government?" and read some further facts from the US government itself.
The following information came from CIS Center for Immigration Studies.
CIS estimated that welfare payments to illegal immigrant households averaged $1,040 per household in 2001, mainly Medicaid "on behalf of their U.S.-born children." But the report did not attempt to come up with a total for all such households.
...the CIS report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion... The 2.5 billion figure for Medicaid to such households is quoted accurately, but again, much of this was in benefits for U.S.-born children, who are citizens.
Most interesting is that the CIS report includes a total net cost estimate to the federal government for illegal immigrants of just under $10.4 billion for the year,...That doesn't include any potential costs to state or local governments,...
CIS report: Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
Robert Rector, Oct. 29, 2006: Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year, and they would pay very little in taxes. It’s important to remember that at least half of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts.
I can research more modern figures for you if you wish? Most of those figures are 6 to 11 years old.
Hey "Zippy", the CIS isn't a government body.
Wow, are you stupid.
Maybe you're too stupid to get a job as a ditch digger.

Robert

Since: Jun 07

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#972 Nov 25, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
No one attempts to follow all of Leviticus, which was about cleanliness codes and pagan fertility orgies, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.
I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.
Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist.
Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts.
The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented till 1869, so whenever you see it in a bible, you should immediately realize it is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original text.
excellent post. thanks
Going Catholic

King George, VA

#974 Dec 1, 2012
Leaving the Episcopal Churh is what I have done. I can not believe in same sex marriage ever, it is clearly stated one man and one woman as one flesh. You just can't amend that from the bible to suit your personal needs. All I can say is may god have mercy for this radical obscene gay marriage blessing. The only church that will not allow this is the Roman Catholic Church, Thanks be to God for that!

Since: Jun 11

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#975 Dec 1, 2012
Going Catholic wrote:
Leaving the Episcopal Churh is what I have done. I can not believe in same sex marriage ever, it is clearly stated one man and one woman as one flesh. You just can't amend that from the bible to suit your personal needs. All I can say is may god have mercy for this radical obscene gay marriage blessing. The only church that will not allow this is the Roman Catholic Church, Thanks be to God for that!
The bible contains 8 types of marriage. You ignore 7 of them as well as the passages that celebrate same sex love. But same sex marriage is nothing new.

Gay people have been getting married for over 4,000 years. It just has never been and never will be the primary form of marriage.

"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...

A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.

"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.

Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html
astrolov1

Everett, WA

#979 Dec 1, 2012
Sorry to bust the bubble but Jesus would never sit with as homosexual, eat with a homosexual or take the company of a homosexual. Jesus came to fill the words of the profets who saw his coming, not to change the law of God so guess what....

If you stay a homosexual in life, you will never see the kingdom of God but will be cast into eternal damnation as God has already judge so in the Levitican Law.

And those churches who change the word of God to fit homosexuals in will like wise suffer damnation.

Perhaps more so called "Christians" who endorse the gay lifestyle need to read their bibles more often.

Hope you have a hot suit for your one way trip to hell.

“ Woodstock Anyone?”

Since: Oct 12

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#980 Dec 1, 2012
astrolov1 wrote:
Sorry to bust the bubble but Jesus would never sit with as homosexual, eat with a homosexual or take the company of a homosexual. Jesus came to fill the words of the profets who saw his coming, not to change the law of God so guess what....
If you stay a homosexual in life, you will never see the kingdom of God but will be cast into eternal damnation as God has already judge so in the Levitican Law.
And those churches who change the word of God to fit homosexuals in will like wise suffer damnation.
Perhaps more so called "Christians" who endorse the gay lifestyle need to read their bibles more often.
Hope you have a hot suit for your one way trip to hell.
And you sound absolutely full of the compassion of God if this were so. You sound so very sad about such suffering, if it were so. You must draw so very many 'lost souls' to christ with the example of his loving Spirit. If heaven is filled with people like you and other hateful so-called christians who the h*ll wants to spend eternity there?

“MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN”

Since: Nov 12

Avon, Co

#981 Dec 1, 2012
NE Jade wrote:
God doen not exist....I hear that all the time!
She might exist but one thing is for sure; ALL RELIGIONS are human made-up BS not endorsed by any Gods or Goddesses other than the religion I invented. Mine is true because I invented it myself. I decided since thousands of new religions are founded each year that I might as well make one up too.

Christianity which used to be the newest religion is no longer the newest. Hinduism might be he world's oldest organized religion but not the oldest around.

If a person is a member of a religion it depends on one of several variables. First and foremost is the culture in which one is born, raised and living assuming one has never traveled outside of a given nation or given local community much if ever, one is going to be of that religion. In other words, grow up in Iran and you're going to be Muslim and Allah is your God. Grow up in central Alabama USA and never leave the south much and not only is christianiy your religion but likely Baptist of some sort.

Other variables in play too. A person grows up in Iran or North Korea and gets out so bye bye dear leader and away from Allah and gets sick or into a bad situation of fear and then christian fanatics come to rescue and nurse back to well-being while preaching and then one might become that religion or Muslim if move from States elsewhere or Jewish if move to Israel perhaps.

Protesting family or community can cause one to join a given religion or convert back to the way everyone is born which is Atheistic. Since there is no such thing as a religious baby, all babies are Atheists until they are told and learn how to be something different.

What does it all mean? It means if there is a God/Goddess or whatever; it doesn't care what if any religion or not one is because it would not be human and desire devotion to it since it would be of all knowing and all knowing leads to pure love and with that, Ego is gone and without Ego, entity needs no worship.

At this time in science; there is no proof at all for a creator and no absolute proof there is not one so what is known is when a person dies, the mind stops working which is located in the brain that rots quickly with other flesh until there are just bones left after the maggots, worms and other creatures feed (continuation of life right there from this one)and then bones last much longer before eventually over perhaps thousands of years if left in area of good preservation into a mess that gets blown away or washes away into nothingness itself and eventually long after humans are gone; the Sun expands, the earth is gone along with most other planets in the area and then the Sun shrinks back inward as it cools and fades away perhaps to dark matter or wormhole or nothingness.

Post death is a State in which one was in a year before birth which is called non existence. Why would people fear it? Everyone should want to live this short life as long as they can even more knowing this is it and all there is for them. There sure would be fewer wars and other problems if life were respected for being so special in the here and now for what it really is.

“MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN”

Since: Nov 12

Avon, Co

#983 Dec 1, 2012
Anyone ever had a pet cat or dog they loved and the pet had its own personality? Most have and most lose that lovely pet at some point and it hurts a lot when that happens.

Now, what about the pet and its life and relationship to the human before death? The pet has natural instincts through evolution and also human manipulation of breeding and like all living things even one cloned, it is going to have a different personality. Some want to be held and some want to be left more alone or hide. It depends on breed and temperament as well as environment but the pet learns quickly, the food and water come from the human as well as the petting, safety, shelter etc and it becomes dependent on the human no longer able to survive as well outside on its own as one born in the wild.

The pet becomes attached to the owner or "parent" figure human. It likely feels a loving bond but the only thing it knows about death is an instinct especially if a cat that if so sickly that death is near for it to hide. The reason for this is one last chance to survive in a collapse if it can get well so other animals do not eat it and the other reason is the instinct to know the rotting smell will attract other hungry hunters and to remove itself from its litter which, in this case might be humans to help them survive from an attack which of course would not come in home situations with humans in this sense.

Does it fear death or think there is a God cat or dog? Nope. It doesn't give any thought to anything in the process other than pain suffering and or instinct from evolution etc. In this way, cats and dogs are smarter than humans! Same is true of a three month old baby human that has not yet learned to fear death or believe in the Easter Bunny etc...

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#984 Dec 2, 2012
astrolov1 wrote:
Sorry to bust the bubble but Jesus would never sit with as homosexual, eat with a homosexual or take the company of a homosexual. Jesus came to fill the words of the profets who saw his coming, not to change the law of God so guess what....
Sweetie, you are free to believe in whatever biblically inspired nonsense your little heart desires, but you are speaking only for your choice of beliefs, not Jesus and not God. I hope for the sake of your own eternity that they agree with your choice, but given your rather un-Christlike view of the Christ, I for one have some serious doubts.
astrolov1 wrote:
If you stay a homosexual in life, you will never see the kingdom of God but will be cast into eternal damnation as God has already judge so in the Levitican Law.
That might be of interest if we were Levites, but we're not. Moses said that God laid down some 600+ commandments, most of which play no more role in Christian thinking than filler in the Book. Take for instance your posting this on the Sabbath. Under God's commandments, tomorrow we should be putting YOU to death. How do you feel about Leviticus now, dear?
astrolov1 wrote:
And those churches who change the word of God to fit homosexuals in will like wise suffer damnation.
Again dear, you are free to choose to believe that, but that really ain't your call, now is it?
astrolov1 wrote:
Perhaps more so called "Christians" who endorse the gay lifestyle need to read their bibles more often.
Hope you have a hot suit for your one way trip to hell.
That's downright Christlike of you cupcake, almost as if Jesus himself came down to make snide comments. Jesus, save us from some of your alleged Christians.

Since: Jun 07

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#986 Dec 2, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible contains 8 types of marriage. You ignore 7 of them as well as the passages that celebrate same sex love. But same sex marriage is nothing new.
Gay people have been getting married for over 4,000 years. It just has never been and never will be the primary form of marriage.
"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.
Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...
A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).
Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.
"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.
Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html
great post.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#987 Dec 2, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible contains 8 types of marriage. You ignore 7 of them as well as the passages that celebrate same sex love. But same sex marriage is nothing new.
The Bible factually promotes two (2) undisputed types of marriage by God. Heterosexual and polygamy, a man having two (2) or more wives.
Any others are left to the discernment of the reader and not what the Bible writer actually declares.
David is claimed (by pro homosexual advocates) to be a homosexual. But the information they leave out is that David was very heterosexually inclined, even to having a man literally killed so he could have his wife.
So even if it were true that David had a male lover, David would be defined as a heterosexual with a single same sex relationship, thus not making him an actual homosexual or bisexual.

Since: Mar 09

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#988 Dec 2, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible factually promotes two (2) undisputed types of marriage by God. Heterosexual and polygamy, a man having two (2) or more wives.
Any others are left to the discernment of the reader and not what the Bible writer actually declares.
David is claimed (by pro homosexual advocates) to be a homosexual. But the information they leave out is that David was very heterosexually inclined, even to having a man literally killed so he could have his wife.
So even if it were true that David had a male lover, David would be defined as a heterosexual with a single same sex relationship, thus not making him an actual homosexual or bisexual.
Everybody keeps getting that wrong. JONATHAN was gay. David was bi.
Jose

Hollywood, FL

#989 Dec 3, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Everybody keeps getting that wrong. JONATHAN was gay. David was bi.
I thought you would be interested that prayer is now going to be part of Miami-dade town hall meetings .
The city commissioners (who make the NY MAFIA look ethical) are going to vote Dec.4 to allow prayer .

A few of us objected but we have no input .

Every politician here regardless of party is for it, They will not stand up to the Florida Christian coalition nor do they want to.

I miss NY progressive Anglo's because Hispanic and Black Dems in Florida are bible thumping disasters.

"Conservative Christian group pushed reinstating Miami-Dade commission prayer"

The Christian Family Coalition worked behind-the-scenes for more than a year to push county commissioners to bring back opening prayers at government meetings.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/21/3108401...

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