God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions

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There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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Earth

#262 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
The arrogance of thinking you will be god.
LOL..........
Laughter at your own religious confusion? The last time I looked the various Jewish sects were still debating what Psalm 82:6 exactly meant.

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The Mountain Empire

#263 Oct 11, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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I've never seen anyone try so hard to look smart and fail so badly.
Good luck with that, NoClue.
Robert
Ain't it the truth.

Who thinks Judaism is spelled JEWDAISM?

How embarrassing for him...

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The Mountain Empire

#264 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Laughter at your own religious confusion? The last time I looked the various Jewish sects were still debating what Psalm 82:6 exactly meant.
How did you look since you are not a Jew?

Perhaps you found it online under JEWDAISM?

You will not be a god, you've been deceived and you bit and swallowed the whole apple..........

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#265 Oct 11, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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I've never seen anyone try so hard to look smart and fail so badly.
Good luck with that, NoClue.
Robert
Yes you have, yourself lol :)

You did ask... "What word was used in place of 'homosexual' in the bible prior to 1940?"

You were really trying to look really smart as you call it in that question. But you failed miserably. You got the year wrong. You phrased the question out of context on purpose or by sheer idiocy, which was it?
Next let's discuss some basics for you. You wish to define homosexual as a specific definition as you wish to use it incorrectly in this question. You wish to stipulate the word homosexual ONLY replaced a single word in all English Christian Bible versions.
The English Bible uses the word to describe two people of the same sex involved in sexual actions. Before the word homosexual was first used in 1946, several words were used in different Christian English versions to describe two people of the same sex having sexual relations.
So your question is one that you don't even understand. Let it go okay?

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Earth

#266 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Since the Bible wasn't written in English you'd have to find a foreign word to be translated, eh?
LOL!
What a fool....
He requested a English Christian translation. You're such a cynical fool of your own thinking lol.

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Earth

#267 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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How did you look since you are not a Jew?
Perhaps you found it online under JEWDAISM?
You will not be a god, you've been deceived and you bit and swallowed the whole apple..........
People that strain at gnats, reveal an inferiority complex keeping them from addressing their larger issues they have going on, like your bigoted religious views and hate and anger issues you levy at others through your illogical and strained judgements of others.
You need to get a life that isn't filled with so much hate and rage, know what I mean? You're your own enemy and you don't know it.

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Earth

#268 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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How did you look since you are not a Jew?
What a pathetic attempt at self righteous hate for others that aren't a Jew. So you believe to understand Hebrew you have to be a Jew? lol...you're such a self righteous religious bigot...and someone actually trusts you, a religious hating bigot to be a translator of ancient writings? You're the type individual that shouldn't be let near ancient writings, who knows what you'll purposely mistranslate for your own religious bigoted hatred agenda.

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#269 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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This post once again shows your soundless thinking bigotry. You believe in a God that you give no substance to. You give it no history. You give it no reason for being. You give no reason for it even existing. It has no context except for what you wish to believe of it. And then you find offense for a religion that won't do so blindly as you have done with this God? lolol....you have no logic or reasoning for your God and you accuse me of having none? lolol...you're nothing but a hypocritical bigoted self righteous clown....nice job proving it as usual :)
What is the true mark of the hypocrite?

It is this: The hypocrite smugly and condescendingly accuses the other of doing exactly what he himself overtly does. But, he himself [unconsciously, usually] denies that he does the very same criticized act. Webster's may do better than that at describing the action.

So, above, you say that the person is "nothing but a hypocritical bigoted self righteous clown" and that he has again proved it.

But, this is precisely, exactly, what you yourself are doing and have done!

You base your conclusions about another upon YOUR OWN idea that he has no basis for belief in an infinitely present and personal Being (one of my own characterizations of what God may be, however inadequate that such a description may be). Yet, he obviously does believe, completely and wholeheartedly, in God and openly refuses to attempt to corral God by saying what God can or cannot be or do.

Furthermore, he shows that he has spent the majority of his adult life in an effort of sincere discipleship to Christ Jesus, whatever his personal denomination of social discipleship may be as his preference.

But, YOU choose to criticize people for that, seeking to apply your own concepts of righteousness in order to judge others. You bolster and back up your judgmental ways by placing your sole source of authority squarely behind your claims. Yet, it is your own comprehension of this authority that you are citing as the actual authority.

I'm sorry, brother. But, the very yardstick that you have used to judge others is the same one with which you are defining yourself, just as you have done above. And the one that you are using is very limited in its scope of comprehended measurement.

Hold the yardstick in your hand. Now, tell me how long a "yard" is. Is it not the length of the stick you are holding? Is it not also YOUR OWN choice of devices to use in order to define the total world of your own sense of height and width? Yes, of course, it is, even if you know of a slew of others using a yardstick from the same manufacturer.

Considering this basis of dimensional reference, isn't it interesting that the physicist now defines space and time in terms of one's own frame of reference and, also, acknowledges that this very frame is to be regarded as somehow different than everybody else's frame of reference?

What an astounding idea! Furthermore, this idea has been physically proven! As you move around, waving your yardstick about, the length of YOUR yardstick becomes different from the length of MY yardstick!

How do you or I find an escape from these very limiting, self-created comprehension traps? Well,... first of all, one HAS to acknowledge that, whoever the other guy really is or whatever the other guy really understands, the realm of our own personal comprehension is a limiting form that prevents us. We need it to function in this world. But, it also keeps us from acknowledging that the other guy may have a better perspective and it keeps us from understanding how little we actually know or how much the other guy knows. It limits our humility and respect for others.

This is the lesson to be learned by taking a drink, using our own little cup, from the infinitely living waters of the fourth jar.

What a lesson it is!

Matthew Ch. 27: v. 19

Rev. Ken
Robsan5

United States

#270 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Yes you have, yourself lol :)
You did ask... "What word was used in place of 'homosexual' in the bible prior to 1940?"
You were really trying to look really smart as you call it in that question. But you failed miserably. You got the year wrong. You phrased the question out of context on purpose or by sheer idiocy, which was it?
Next let's discuss some basics for you. You wish to define homosexual as a specific definition as you wish to use it incorrectly in this question. You wish to stipulate the word homosexual ONLY replaced a single word in all English Christian Bible versions.
The English Bible uses the word to describe two people of the same sex involved in sexual actions. Before the word homosexual was first used in 1946, several words were used in different Christian English versions to describe two people of the same sex having sexual relations.
So your question is one that you don't even understand. Let it go okay?
NoClue, you have a disease called Terminal No Point. One of the symptoms is complete irrelevance.
You may not know this, but 1940 comes before 1946. Unless you can show that the word 'homosexual' was included in any bible prior to 1939, then using 1940 as a base year is accurate.
If I flip a coin 1time, what are the odds that it will land on heads?

Robert
Robsan5

United States

#271 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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He requested a English Christian translation. You're such a cynical fool of your own thinking lol.
NoClue, are you saying that there are English versions of the bible that aren't "Christian"?
Terminal No Point disease.
You are irrelevant.

Robert

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#272 Oct 11, 2012
It would appear that the latest addition to our oppositions' playbook is a singularly Russian misuse of the term "cynical".

Wouldn't they be shocked to learn who has actually written their playbook as part of their Active Measures for internal destabilization of Western societies.

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#273 Oct 12, 2012
snyper wrote:
It would appear that the latest addition to our oppositions' playbook is a singularly Russian misuse of the term "cynical".
Wouldn't they be shocked to learn who has actually written their playbook as part of their Active Measures for internal destabilization of Western societies.
Mor explanation, please. My coffee is not working properly.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#274 Oct 12, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough.
Let's try this then.
The Buddha compared people to four kinds of clay vessels. One type of vessel has holes in the bottom. We can pour in as much water as we like and it runs right out. When this type of person hears the Dharma, it goes in one ear and out the other. The second type of vessel has cracks. Though we pour in the Dharma, it seeps out slowly until the vessel is empty again. The third vessel is full to the brim with stale water--views and opinions. One can't pour anything new in, everything is already known. The only useful vessel is the fourth, without holes or cracks and totally empty.
- Ayya Khema, "Be An Island"
Which jar is yours?
I think there is something quite similar to this in the Talmud. If so, they would have gotten it from the Buddhist writings as those came first.

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#275 Oct 12, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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I think there is something quite similar to this in the Talmud. If so, they would have gotten it from the Buddhist writings as those came first.
Not necessarily.

But, both could have taken up the idea from a much older source; such as the very ancient mystery schools and teachers that existed much earlier than the Hebrews, Egyptians, Sumer Persians or Nepalese and the Sanskrit of the Tamil Coast, all of which were distinct lines of theologically-based culture existing at least 5000 years BCE. What's more, they all recognized a monotheistic view, even if they regarded the Creation as full of lesser deities.

The contemplation of God is simultaneously as old as the recognition of Self.

"I AM." (AmenRa) The First. Male. The point of Singularity.

Being IS.(Isis) The Last. Female. Infinite Equidistance.

Rev. Ken

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#276 Oct 12, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Mor explanation, please. My coffee is not working properly.
"Active Measures" is the Russian equivalent of CoIntelPro.

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The Mountain Empire

#277 Oct 13, 2012
A little gift for No clue, should he ever show his face again:

http://mormonssecret.com/

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The Mountain Empire

#278 Oct 13, 2012
snyper wrote:
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"Active Measures" is the Russian equivalent of CoIntelPro.
The Disinformation Act..........

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#279 Oct 13, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Not necessarily.
But, both could have taken up the idea from a much older source; such as the very ancient mystery schools and teachers that existed much earlier than the Hebrews, Egyptians, Sumer Persians or Nepalese and the Sanskrit of the Tamil Coast, all of which were distinct lines of theologically-based culture existing at least 5000 years BCE. What's more, they all recognized a monotheistic view, even if they regarded the Creation as full of lesser deities.
The contemplation of God is simultaneously as old as the recognition of Self.
"I AM." (AmenRa) The First. Male. The point of Singularity.
Being IS.(Isis) The Last. Female. Infinite Equidistance.
Rev. Ken
I was specifically referring to the parable of the vessels, not anything more general.

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#280 Oct 13, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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I was specifically referring to the parable of the vessels, not anything more general.
Who said anything about a "more general" reference?

You implied that the parable may have existed in both sets of Teaching.

I agreed. I then explained, briefly, that the origins of monotheism and the Teachings of the mystery schools, including the line of Teaching that gave rise to Siddhartha Gautama (about 500 BCE) and the priesthood of the Hebrews which is associated with the Qabalah (origins in excess of 5000 years BCE) had common roots.

So, it should be no surprise that similar, if not essentially the same, illustrative parables can be found in both.

Both the Teachings of the sages of the Tamil Coast and the Teachings of the Aryan Hebrew tribes of the Lower Caucasus region had a common origin in the Indus Valley region of northern India and what is today, Pakistan. Petroglyphs in Gobustan, Azerbaijan show the presense of a sophisticated and thriving culture dating back to at least 10,000 BC.

We Christians think we know it all. Shoot! These cultures and their monotheistic realizations have forgotten more of their told stories, songs sung and their written theological musings and realizations than all of Christianity has ever learned.

We are, frankly, an arrogant lot.

How far back do you think the stories of Noah and Enoch and Methuselah go? Signs point to every bit of 9,000-11,000 years ago.

Both Christ Jesus and Siddhartha Gautama are johnny-come-latelies; not to take anything away from the legacies of either of these Great Teachers.

In many ways, their parables are timeless - even to the point of having been taught to them by their Teachers, whose names we have never heard.

Remember, John. There is only One God and He-She outdates all of us.

Rev. Ken

Since: Aug 09

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#281 Oct 13, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
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I was specifically referring to the parable of the vessels, not anything more general.
You and I are invited to behave like the Fourth Jar, John.

Will you empty yourself of the preconceived notions that either Siddhartha or Jesus were the first to conceive of what they taught?

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