God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions

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There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#242 Oct 8, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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That's like you're dad telling you to take 5th street and 18th avenue to arrive at a destination and you decide to take a route that avoids those two streets. That's like the Lord stating through an apostle, "..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.." and mankind inventing 10,000 different Christian religions.
Common sense doesn't always make it :)
It's always so reassuring to me when I meet someone who knows which of those 10,000 Christian sects got it right.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#243 Oct 9, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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When Moses came back to Egypt, claiming to have "new revelations" from his God for his God's "special people", that also angered many who believed their god(s) were the supreme one(s) and they the "special" people.
Two thousand years ago a person also came forth with "new revelation" from the Jewish people and began a new offshoot of Jewdaism. Most Jews it's recorded in the story rejected his "new revelations." They wouldn't believe he was the Messiah that the Jews had been waiting for.
Two thousand years later an offshoot of Christianity arose with "new revelation" for Christians that they have rejected. But like that earlier church that was founded 2000 years ago, this modern offshoot has rolled out to the four corners of the earth in just 180 years.
It seems to me we have a history of people stepping forth, claiming God is updating his information to us and people rejecting such a possibility.
I do envy you as a translator of writings as you claim you translate. It must hold some obvious excitement for you.
Moses did indeed change many things in his time, I believe Yeshua pointed these out by saying, you've heard it say...but I say to you...most definitely making the Jewish law harder with fewer loop holes but getting away from the letter of the stone law to laws written on our hearts.

Yeshua did not change JUDAISM. The 'Old Testament' should be called The Covenant, with the New Testament being called the Renewed Covenant making love, forgiveness and compassion the most important things.

Jesus never stopped being Jewish nor did his followers. We have the Greek loving Saul to thank for that with his inclusions of foreign god or goddess incorporated.

For not being Moreman you certainly defend it. Your premise is false, your history is false and you will not become god of your own planet, although I'm sure the accuser gets a kick out of that one!

I LOVE my job. It can be frustrating as hell, especially when trying to piece together scraps. Thank GOD for computer programs. I also love the information I come across and the ability to read the saying of Yeshua in the earliest Aramaic.

I wish everyone would take some time to study history and context, it would certainly give a different view than the modernized, condensed, updated, revised, etc. pablum that we have now.

If you live your life with compassion, forgiveness and love we have something in common but never with your 'religion'.

BTW, I never forget a screen name or viewpoints associated, even after months. Some what of a photographic memory....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#244 Oct 9, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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Lame.
It's a simple question.
Robert
There is no word nor concept.

If there were we would have know before 1940....
Robsan5

United States

#245 Oct 9, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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There is no word nor concept.
If there were we would have know before 1940....
NoClue has shown himself to be irrelevant on the question. But what can you expect from a guy who doesn't understand that the chances of a coin landing on heads or tails is 50/50...

Robert

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#246 Oct 9, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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Lame.
It's a simple question.
Robert
No, your agenda for an answer is lame. Also, in another post
I answered your question with two words homosexual replaced.
I noticed you didn't notice.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#247 Oct 9, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>It's always so reassuring to me when I meet someone who knows which of those 10,000 Christian sects got it right.
I find it humorous that you keep stating what you think you know of me and you get it so wrong so often :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#248 Oct 9, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Moses did indeed change many things in his time, I believe Yeshua pointed these out by saying, you've heard it say...but I say to you...most definitely making the Jewish law harder with fewer loop holes but getting away from the letter of the stone law to laws written on our hearts.
Yeshua did not change JUDAISM. The 'Old Testament' should be called The Covenant, with the New Testament being called the Renewed Covenant making love, forgiveness and compassion the most important things.
Jesus never stopped being Jewish nor did his followers. We have the Greek loving Saul to thank for that with his inclusions of foreign god or goddess incorporated.
For not being Moreman you certainly defend it. Your premise is false, your history is false and you will not become god of your own planet, although I'm sure the accuser gets a kick out of that one!
I LOVE my job. It can be frustrating as hell, especially when trying to piece together scraps. Thank GOD for computer programs. I also love the information I come across and the ability to read the saying of Yeshua in the earliest Aramaic.
I wish everyone would take some time to study history and context, it would certainly give a different view than the modernized, condensed, updated, revised, etc. pablum that we have now.
If you live your life with compassion, forgiveness and love we have something in common but never with your 'religion'.
BTW, I never forget a screen name or viewpoints associated, even after months. Some what of a photographic memory....
I'll say this simply for you to understand. I am pro-Jew, but I am not a Jew. I am pro-Mormon, but I am not a Mormon.
I neither see this negativity of the Mormon religion that you see. Mormons are one of the largest Christian religions that is pro-Jew going. Professors/scholars at BYU and other Mormon associated colleges stand hip to hip with Jewish professors/scholars in discovering/researching Jewish history.
It was BYU students that developed a machine that could take a dark, unreadable piece of papyri and read it's contents several years back. They've been a major player in the continued deciphering of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It's the love of their religion that causes them to love Jewish history and to have such an involvement in it.
Also, the idea of being a god and having your own piece of heaven is no new concept. Religions have believe this thing for thousands of years. Why you find such an offense at Mormons believing it I don't understand. You have no idea where your God came from. You don't even teach your god has a specific gender. Your God, according to Jewish writings exists and that is all. So why you find offense at a religion believing they are like the God that created them and that God has given them a chance to become like him, I find no offense at such a thought.
Robsan5

United States

#249 Oct 10, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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No, your agenda for an answer is lame. Also, in another post
I answered your question with two words homosexual replaced.
I noticed you didn't notice.
Here is what you wrote, NoClue:
"Actually the first usage of the word homosexuality was used in the RSV in 1946.
The word was used as a replacement word in two verses, 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 I believe. It neither replaced a "single" word. But you knew that right?"

You still haven't said what word 'homosexual' replaced.

Robert
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“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#250 Oct 10, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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I find it humorous that you keep stating what you think you know of me and you get it so wrong so often :)
Fair enough.

Let's try this then.

The Buddha compared people to four kinds of clay vessels. One type of vessel has holes in the bottom. We can pour in as much water as we like and it runs right out. When this type of person hears the Dharma, it goes in one ear and out the other. The second type of vessel has cracks. Though we pour in the Dharma, it seeps out slowly until the vessel is empty again. The third vessel is full to the brim with stale water--views and opinions. One can't pour anything new in, everything is already known. The only useful vessel is the fourth, without holes or cracks and totally empty.
- Ayya Khema, "Be An Island"

Which jar is yours?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#251 Oct 10, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough.
Let's try this then.
The Buddha compared people to four kinds of clay vessels. One type of vessel has holes in the bottom. We can pour in as much water as we like and it runs right out. When this type of person hears the Dharma, it goes in one ear and out the other. The second type of vessel has cracks. Though we pour in the Dharma, it seeps out slowly until the vessel is empty again. The third vessel is full to the brim with stale water--views and opinions. One can't pour anything new in, everything is already known. The only useful vessel is the fourth, without holes or cracks and totally empty.
- Ayya Khema, "Be An Island"
Which jar is yours?
Excellent! Keep showing him the Way, DNF.

Truth is like the rising pool of Dharma that surrounds the island of dry beliefs upon which the three jars are standing.

As the Dharma quietly, relentlessly rises, it surely fills the jar with the holes from the bottom up. It seeps through the cracks and crevices of the second jar without notice and fills it without it even suspecting or knowing what has happened. The third jar smugly sits, unmoved, already filled with its own water.

But, the fourth jar becomes lighter with bouyancy until it floats and begins a new journey, swept along by breezes upon the currents and the tides, drinking from the waves that lap across its rim of the Dharma from time to time and from place to place, until it has satisfied its thirst and has filled itself to capacity. Then, knowing that it is to become fully immersed, it happily drinks to fullness in awareness, as an act of divine will.

... And when the pool of Dharma recedes and subsides from time to time, as it always does, the fourth jar at journey's end again may be found resting securely on high ground. Only this time, because it has maintained the integrity of its form, it is found full of the wondrous water of life's adventure and can offer the thirsty passerby some welcome relief.

Let the cups of those who have ears to hear and eyes to read and understand be filled from the water of this fourth jar.

Rev. Ken

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#252 Oct 10, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent! Keep showing him the Way, DNF.
Truth is like the rising pool of Dharma that surrounds the island of dry beliefs upon which the three jars are standing.
As the Dharma quietly, relentlessly rises, it surely fills the jar with the holes from the bottom up. It seeps through the cracks and crevices of the second jar without notice and fills it without it even suspecting or knowing what has happened. The third jar smugly sits, unmoved, already filled with its own water.
But, the fourth jar becomes lighter with bouyancy until it floats and begins a new journey, swept along by breezes upon the currents and the tides, drinking from the waves that lap across its rim of the Dharma from time to time and from place to place, until it has satisfied its thirst and has filled itself to capacity. Then, knowing that it is to become fully immersed, it happily drinks to fullness in awareness, as an act of divine will.
... And when the pool of Dharma recedes and subsides from time to time, as it always does, the fourth jar at journey's end again may be found resting securely on high ground. Only this time, because it has maintained the integrity of its form, it is found full of the wondrous water of life's adventure and can offer the thirsty passerby some welcome relief.
Let the cups of those who have ears to hear and eyes to read and understand be filled from the water of this fourth jar.
Rev. Ken
Namaste

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#253 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll say this simply for you to understand. I am pro-Jew, but I am not a Jew. I am pro-Mormon, but I am not a Mormon.
I neither see this negativity of the Mormon religion that you see. Mormons are one of the largest Christian religions that is pro-Jew going. Professors/scholars at BYU and other Mormon associated colleges stand hip to hip with Jewish professors/scholars in discovering/researching Jewish history.
It was BYU students that developed a machine that could take a dark, unreadable piece of papyri and read it's contents several years back. They've been a major player in the continued deciphering of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It's the love of their religion that causes them to love Jewish history and to have such an involvement in it.
Also, the idea of being a god and having your own piece of heaven is no new concept. Religions have believe this thing for thousands of years. Why you find such an offense at Mormons believing it I don't understand. You have no idea where your God came from. You don't even teach your god has a specific gender. Your God, according to Jewish writings exists and that is all. So why you find offense at a religion believing they are like the God that created them and that God has given them a chance to become like him, I find no offense at such a thought.
I don't care if you are pro 'Jewdaism'.

That spelling tells me you are as clueless as you sound.

I don't care if you are pro Moreman.

But it tells me enough to know there is no logic or reason in you brain, just as I did before.

The arrogance of thinking you will be god.

LOL..........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#254 Oct 11, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent! Keep showing him the Way, DNF.
Truth is like the rising pool of Dharma that surrounds the island of dry beliefs upon which the three jars are standing.
As the Dharma quietly, relentlessly rises, it surely fills the jar with the holes from the bottom up. It seeps through the cracks and crevices of the second jar without notice and fills it without it even suspecting or knowing what has happened. The third jar smugly sits, unmoved, already filled with its own water.
But, the fourth jar becomes lighter with bouyancy until it floats and begins a new journey, swept along by breezes upon the currents and the tides, drinking from the waves that lap across its rim of the Dharma from time to time and from place to place, until it has satisfied its thirst and has filled itself to capacity. Then, knowing that it is to become fully immersed, it happily drinks to fullness in awareness, as an act of divine will.
... And when the pool of Dharma recedes and subsides from time to time, as it always does, the fourth jar at journey's end again may be found resting securely on high ground. Only this time, because it has maintained the integrity of its form, it is found full of the wondrous water of life's adventure and can offer the thirsty passerby some welcome relief.
Let the cups of those who have ears to hear and eyes to read and understand be filled from the water of this fourth jar.
Rev. Ken
Amen and amen!

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#255 Oct 11, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is what you wrote, NoClue:
"Actually the first usage of the word homosexuality was used in the RSV in 1946.
The word was used as a replacement word in two verses, 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 I believe. It neither replaced a "single" word. But you knew that right?"
You still haven't said what word 'homosexual' replaced.
Robert
So you do pay attention.
The word homosexual since 1946 has replaced many words according to the research I did on the word in several Christian Bibles. Why don't you tell me which Bible version you wish this information to come from and I will tell you what words it replaced in it.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#256 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
So you do pay attention.
The word homosexual since 1946 has replaced many words according to the research I did on the word in several Christian Bibles. Why don't you tell me which Bible version you wish this information to come from and I will tell you what words it replaced in it.
Let's go with the original in Aramaic, still in use in Syria with no mistranslations or write ins....

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#257 Oct 11, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough.
Let's try this then.
The Buddha compared people to four kinds of clay vessels. One type of vessel has holes in the bottom. We can pour in as much water as we like and it runs right out. When this type of person hears the Dharma, it goes in one ear and out the other. The second type of vessel has cracks. Though we pour in the Dharma, it seeps out slowly until the vessel is empty again. The third vessel is full to the brim with stale water--views and opinions. One can't pour anything new in, everything is already known. The only useful vessel is the fourth, without holes or cracks and totally empty.
- Ayya Khema, "Be An Island"
Which jar is yours?
Personal perspective of oneself is usually never the same as community perspective of oneself and vice-versa... anonymous

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#258 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care if you are pro 'Jewdaism'.
That spelling tells me you are as clueless as you sound.
I don't care if you are pro Moreman.
But it tells me enough to know there is no logic or reason in you brain, just as I did before.
The arrogance of thinking you will be god.
LOL..........
This post once again shows your soundless thinking bigotry. You believe in a God that you give no substance to. You give it no history. You give it no reason for being. You give no reason for it even existing. It has no context except for what you wish to believe of it. And then you find offense for a religion that won't do so blindly as you have done with this God? lolol....you have no logic or reasoning for your God and you accuse me of having none? lolol...you're nothing but a hypocritical bigoted self righteous clown....nice job proving it as usual :)
Robsan5

Brooklyn, NY

#259 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
So you do pay attention.
The word homosexual since 1946 has replaced many words according to the research I did on the word in several Christian Bibles. Why don't you tell me which Bible version you wish this information to come from and I will tell you what words it replaced in it.
I've never seen anyone try so hard to look smart and fail so badly.
Good luck with that, NoClue.

Robert

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#260 Oct 11, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's go with the original in Aramaic, still in use in Syria with no mistranslations or write ins....
For a translator you didn't translate his request in any correct fashion. What is wrong with you besides being a bigoted anti-religious creep? He wanted to know information from an "English" Christian Bible version from the 1940s. You missed that eh?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#261 Oct 11, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
For a translator you didn't translate his request in any correct fashion. What is wrong with you besides being a bigoted anti-religious creep? He wanted to know information from an "English" Christian Bible version from the 1940s. You missed that eh?
Since the Bible wasn't written in English you'd have to find a foreign word to be translated, eh?

LOL!

What a fool....

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