God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions

Jul 16, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Time

There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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No Surprise wrote:
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You're a self proved idiot, nice job :)
So you're no longer a Moreman?

Something I said wasn't true?

Go wear your whites and let your lady put on her green apron, that's her eternal job.

LMAO..........

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Really, you want this info? Aren't you acquainted with any of it?
God didn't included incest between dad and daughter.
Sure he did.

As far as incest, see Lot and his virgin daughters, the only godly people to survive Sodom, and as soon as they leave, they all get drunk and have sex.

Oh, sorry, that's the Moreman way........

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You forgot a few. lol
Still, you're certainly aware of the canonical problems of a lot of the views expressed by supposedly canonical writers.
Since a teen and a protestant, I believe in the Bible as long as it's translated correctly. Since we can't prove it's a correct translation, I take all that I read in it with a grain of salt :)

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<quoted text>I smell someone arguing out of both sides of their hat.
Careful dear. You've posted some very interesting entries online. Careful reading may prove that you contradict your own basic tenet in your debate.
You just claimed that the Bible is specific and clear about a few subjects you agreed isn't a topic generally discussed in the Bible.
Incest was one. Yet one of the most famous and most often misused stories from the Bible about the "morality of homosexuality" ends with the same incest you say the RELIGION the Bible is based on clearly condemns.
Actually I didn't claim anything in the Bible was "specifically clear" about any one topic. Because it isn't.
I did say "the Christian Bible" doesn't neither promote nor validate same sex relations. If you wish to term that as specific and clear that is on you, not me.
And Lev. 18:6 can be said in the Christian Bible to prohibit and incestuous relationships, which would include dad daughter. But even modern rabbis contend with it's meaning. Else wise the question comes to be if verse 6 said enough concerning it, why did God make a list afterwards and elaborate on that verse?
I do give credit due where it's deserved. Learned rabbis today or 2000 years ago rip a verse to shreds before coming to a conclusion of it. On the other hand, Christian ministers seem to avoid doing that very thing to their own verses out of fear of who knows what.

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<quoted text>And you just provided the key that shows your claim about what God accepts is based on what PAUL SAYS God accepts.
My thanks for showing it's really PAUL and not God or Jesus who makes the claims you insist are the word of God.
lol...I made no such claim. Nice try lol.

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So you're no longer a Moreman?
Something I said wasn't true?
Go wear your whites and let your lady put on her green apron, that's her eternal job.
LMAO..........
You're still an idiot...without a clue as usual...and saying plenty that isn't true like an idiot would state lol
PS...when was I a Mormon?

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Sure he did.
As far as incest, see Lot and his virgin daughters, the only godly people to survive Sodom, and as soon as they leave, they all get drunk and have sex.
Oh, sorry, that's the Moreman way........
I don't have a memory of you being such a sarcastic, judgemental, bigoted idiot. What happened to you? We haven't spoken for months.

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What word was used in place of 'homosexual' in the bible prior to 1940?
Robert
Actually the first usage of the word homosexuality was used in the RSV in 1946.
The word was used as a replacement word in two verses, 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 I believe. It neither replaced a "single" word. But you knew that right?

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Actually the first usage of the word homosexuality was used in the RSV in 1946.
The word was used as a replacement word in two verses, 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 I believe. It neither replaced a "single" word. But you knew that right?
He asked you what word was used...can you answer that question?

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lol...I made no such claim. Nice try lol.
Not specifically, but it is a common conflation by biblicist Saulians.
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Actually the first usage of the word homosexuality was used in the RSV in 1946.
The word was used as a replacement word in two verses, 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 I believe. It neither replaced a "single" word. But you knew that right?
You are quickly becoming irrelevant.
What word was used in the bible prior to 1940?

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Paul was very against anyone having sex unless they were married as was proscribed by the laws of Moses. He spoke of adulterers and even single people in this category. And it is evident if you read the old Greek translations, Paul was trying his best to include same sex gender having sexual relations, what we now call homosexuality in his list of forbidden sexual acts.
Paul didn't waste time with words you might have noticed in his writings. He usually got right to the point of his contention concerning whatever.
So if same sex marriage and relations in Paul's time were so fine and well with the Lord, it seems to me that Paul would have mentioned something about the differences between men and women marrying and same gender marrying. If God was prohomosexuality it seems Paul would have said something. He would never have used a word for effeminate.
The fact is as you stated, there is nothing there to prohibit or to allow same sex relations/marriage. It is up to the person to believe what they do who believes in the Bible.
Outside of the Bible, I believe a person has a right to any sexual orientation they are. But I see no evidence from the Bible that it supports/validates same sex relations/marriage, so I think it's not a good source to prove God is okay with homosexuality and or it's relationships.
And this "God made people to be homosexuals" idealism, it would have to ultimately support the beliefs that God creates killers and bisexuals and gifted runners and heterosexuals and really smart people and a-sexuals etc, etc. That idealism takes away freedom of choice. If we have no freedom of choice, then God has chosen some to be sexual predators, others to be bigots and hate mongerers, others to be pacifists, others to be religious, others to be non-religious, others to be a little religious, others to be killers and murderers...see where that idealism takes us? This idealism if true, could mean next week that God has it planned for you to murder someone.
I believe God gives us challenges to face while allowing us the free will to make decisions of that challenge and how we will confront it. That is what I believe.
Paul was actually opposed to ANYONE having sex, that it was the calling of all true Christians to be celibate as he was. His view on sex within marriage was that it was the fall back for those whose faith wasn't as strong as his own. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the practice.

Many Christians are of the belief that God approves of same sex marriages, whether you choose to believe that the Bible supports such a belief or not. From my understanding of the Christian faith, God decides who is right and who is wrong, everything else is merely opinion.

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I don't have a memory of you being such a sarcastic, judgemental, bigoted idiot. What happened to you? We haven't spoken for months.
Nothing has happened to me, but thank you for our concern (seriously).

It makes me frustrated to see people twist and rewrite a book (Bible) to use for their own purposes, their own narrow mindedness and 'specialness'.

Just as it frustrates when folks write new 'revelation' counter to the teachings of Yeshua.

I work translating ancient finds to verify and get to the earliest translations of our book and have been this for nearly 20 years in Israel. They way it has been changed saddens me but God has allowed us to find the older writings.

I am always leery of any group who thinks they are the way, the truth and the life when it has nothing to do with love, forgiveness or compassion.......

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<quoted text> Actually he does clearly and he expected us to have enough common sense to figure out the rest. After all we are his most intelligent creation. If we choose to ignore it it's on us not him.
That's like you're dad telling you to take 5th street and 18th avenue to arrive at a destination and you decide to take a route that avoids those two streets. That's like the Lord stating through an apostle, "..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.." and mankind inventing 10,000 different Christian religions.
Common sense doesn't always make it :)

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<quoted text>He asked you what word was used...can you answer that question?
Yes I could. But I'm waiting for them to show me they are willing to research this topic a bit more. They don't have a clue about it as far as they have proved. The word homosexual wasn't used till 1946, not 1940. The word homosexual replaced a few words, not one as they have stated that was being used prior to the usage of the word homosexual.
So when they can show evidence they know something of the topic they are demanding answers for from me, I'll respond in kind :)

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Not specifically, but it is a common conflation by biblicist Saulians.
Paul claimed to speak of what the Lord had to say through him and, Paul also had his own opinions that were not of God and said so. Knowing that difference when reading his writings is quite helpful to understanding him and his opinions.
Like for example, God is pro-marriage. Paul isn't. And Paul stated it was his opinion that people should avoid marriage. Therefore Paul demonstrates that all the apostles and prophets of the Bible, besides speaking for the Lord, can have their own opinion that may differ to varying degrees with what the Lord said.

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You are quickly becoming irrelevant.
What word was used in the bible prior to 1940?
Robert
You have proved you don't know enough about the topic you're demanding an answer from me for. You're proving your own inadequacy/shortcomings of the topic. The word homosexual never replaced a single word in the Bible. So when you figure out exactly how many words the word homosexual actually replaced since 1946 in English Bibles, then ask me the question properly. Then I will answer.

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From my understanding of the Christian faith, God decides who is right and who is wrong, everything else is merely opinion.
That is how it's suppose to work, I agree :)

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Nothing has happened to me, but thank you for our concern (seriously).
It makes me frustrated to see people twist and rewrite a book (Bible) to use for their own purposes, their own narrow mindedness and 'specialness'.
Just as it frustrates when folks write new 'revelation' counter to the teachings of Yeshua.
I work translating ancient finds to verify and get to the earliest translations of our book and have been this for nearly 20 years in Israel. They way it has been changed saddens me but God has allowed us to find the older writings.
I am always leery of any group who thinks they are the way, the truth and the life when it has nothing to do with love, forgiveness or compassion.......
When Moses came back to Egypt, claiming to have "new revelations" from his God for his God's "special people", that also angered many who believed their god(s) were the supreme one(s) and they the "special" people.
Two thousand years ago a person also came forth with "new revelation" from the Jewish people and began a new offshoot of Jewdaism. Most Jews it's recorded in the story rejected his "new revelations." They wouldn't believe he was the Messiah that the Jews had been waiting for.
Two thousand years later an offshoot of Christianity arose with "new revelation" for Christians that they have rejected. But like that earlier church that was founded 2000 years ago, this modern offshoot has rolled out to the four corners of the earth in just 180 years.
It seems to me we have a history of people stepping forth, claiming God is updating his information to us and people rejecting such a possibility.
I do envy you as a translator of writings as you claim you translate. It must hold some obvious excitement for you.
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You have proved you don't know enough about the topic you're demanding an answer from me for. You're proving your own inadequacy/shortcomings of the topic. The word homosexual never replaced a single word in the Bible. So when you figure out exactly how many words the word homosexual actually replaced since 1946 in English Bibles, then ask me the question properly. Then I will answer.
Lame.
It's a simple question.
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