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ADF Helps Homophobic WA Florist Countersue State

There are 15 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from May 17, 2013, titled ADF Helps Homophobic WA Florist Countersue State . In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The Alliance Defending Freedom or ADF is helping florist Baronnelle Stutzman countersue Washington State. Stutzman refused to sell flours for a gay wedding

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“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#1 May 17, 2013
"Flours" -- seriously?! What kind of reporter writes this?

Consider me the journalists' watchdog. I bark when there's an intrusion in the readers' trust. I love the topics you cover and your efficient reporting, but you need to be vigilant about quality. Don't shoot me down in flames, please -- I'm on your side. I will wag my tail whenever you hit the nail squarely on the head.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#2 May 17, 2013
Now, about the topic at hand ...

Yes, it's obviously a misinterpretation to the law. To put it in the correct perspective, let us imagine for a moment that a florist will -- in this day and age -- refuse service to Black customers on the Biblical grounds that "they are descendants of Ham" and therefore cursed by God. Religious/christian reasoning? Yes. Within the laws of the Sate of Washington not to mention the US Constitution? Hell no!!!

Enough said.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#3 May 17, 2013
... Erratum: "of the law".

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#4 May 17, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
"Flours" -- seriously?! What kind of reporter writes this?
Consider me the journalists' watchdog. I bark when there's an intrusion in the readers' trust. I love the topics you cover and your efficient reporting, but you need to be vigilant about quality. Don't shoot me down in flames, please -- I'm on your side. I will wag my tail whenever you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Two things- first of all, I have run into far, far, far worse out of so-called "professional" journalists out there. Unfortunately, we all make errors.

Secondly- I happen to be recovering from surgery, tyVm. While I am recovering well, I am still kind of tired.Rather than being snide, just inform me of the error and I will fix it. I am not prideful about the errors I make. I have several learning disabilities and will correct the errors forthwith.

Just don't be snide about them, sheesh.

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#5 May 17, 2013
Sorry to be difficult. I get a lot of people who use that phraseology and say things like "what reporter writes like this", and it is just incredibly annoying and irritating. I've seen a lot worse with the professionals.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#7 May 17, 2013
Sei wrote:
<quoted text>
Two things- first of all, I have run into far, far, far worse out of so-called "professional" journalists out there. Unfortunately, we all make errors.
Secondly- I happen to be recovering from surgery, tyVm. While I am recovering well, I am still kind of tired.Rather than being snide, just inform me of the error and I will fix it. I am not prideful about the errors I make. I have several learning disabilities and will correct the errors forthwith.
Just don't be snide about them, sheesh.
SEI, you make me feel like a complete asshole. It is not my intention to be snide, I assure you. Often your articles are also snide about our opponents (which I have pointed out to you on occasion), but then you are probably entitled when dealing with some of the worst homophobes out there. I do not know you personally. I might enjoy getting to know you better. When I see a minor flaw I wouldn't know how to contact you to offer a constructive suggestion in private even if I wanted to, hence my resorting to comments on this board. Here I feel that I am among family and am entitled to offer suggestions as one would to a younger sister.

Please don't feel offended or be touchy. You have seen me offer commendation whenever I have seen excellent articles from your pen. It is by correcting each other that we achieve excellence! You ARE a professional, at least in my estimation, and judging from the quality of your writing. On various occasions you have made references to learning disabilities, but I have to confess that I still do not know anything about them.

If you would rather not have any feedback, tell me so and I will shut up altogether. You know how it is, SEI -- one wants to participate for the benefit of our community, but treading on toes is sometimes inevitable. It is not done in a mean-spirited way. I am cut to the heart when you indicate that you have been injured by some comment I made. Maybe I have taught for too long and assume that I have the right to correct everyone's writing, which is presumptuous -- I admit. Times are changing and growing old is not all that much fun.:)

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#8 May 17, 2013
Second thoughts, SEI -- I've just decided that I'll refrain from commenting on Lezgetreal articles in future. Each time I've done so I have regretted it. Relax and write to your heart's content -- the effort is appreciated and the correctness that I obsess about is not important to this community. Times are changing ...

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#9 May 17, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
"Flours" -- seriously?! What kind of reporter writes this?
Consider me the journalists' watchdog. I bark when there's an intrusion in the readers' trust. I love the topics you cover and your efficient reporting, but you need to be vigilant about quality. Don't shoot me down in flames, please -- I'm on your side. I will wag my tail whenever you hit the nail squarely on the head.
I read the New York Daily News each day, and I see worse than this. I saw TWO similar examples of this on the FRONT PAGE of the NYDN just TODAY !

Doesn't anyone use proofreaders anymore ?!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 May 17, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
Now, about the topic at hand ...
Yes, it's obviously a misinterpretation to the law. To put it in the correct perspective, let us imagine for a moment that a florist will -- in this day and age -- refuse service to Black customers on the Biblical grounds that "they are descendants of Ham" and therefore cursed by God. Religious/christian reasoning? Yes. Within the laws of the Sate of Washington not to mention the US Constitution? Hell no!!!
Enough said.
What about if a car fix-it shop won't look at your car because you have a "Human Rights Campaign" decal on the car ?

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#11 May 18, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
Second thoughts, SEI -- I've just decided that I'll refrain from commenting on Lezgetreal articles in future. Each time I've done so I have regretted it. Relax and write to your heart's content -- the effort is appreciated and the correctness that I obsess about is not important to this community. Times are changing ...
I'm sorry about making you feel bad. A lot of people like to tear down my intelligence and I get really, really touchy about it. It wasn't what you said, it literally was how you phrased it. But, please, let me know when I make an error. I have no issue correcting it. Sniper corrects my spelling all the time. Just tell me and I'll correct it :)

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#12 May 18, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I read the New York Daily News each day, and I see worse than this. I saw TWO similar examples of this on the FRONT PAGE of the NYDN just TODAY !
Doesn't anyone use proofreaders anymore ?!
The problem lies with today's spellcheckers. They simply do not deliver the same intelligence as a human proofreader, but we rely on them as though they do. For example, a spellchecker would have failed to catch the word "flours" because such a word does exist--it's not misspelled--but the software was not smart enough to recognize from the context that we were talking about "flowers".

The challenge that today's blogger faces is the speed at witch articles need to be delivered -- there is not always time for a human to proofread every article to correct little 'brain farts' such as the one I just did (witch/which -- get it?). We have grown accustomed--and demand!--instant gratification when it comes to our news, and the blogger tries her best to oblige.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#13 May 18, 2013
Sei wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry about making you feel bad. A lot of people like to tear down my intelligence and I get really, really touchy about it. It wasn't what you said, it literally was how you phrased it. But, please, let me know when I make an error. I have no issue correcting it. Sniper corrects my spelling all the time. Just tell me and I'll correct it :)
Don't forget that snide can also be done in pretense--especially between colleagues or friends. Had I added a smiley face after that line it would have conveyed my true tone of voice--but I didn't even consider it at the time.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#14 May 18, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem lies with today's spellcheckers. They simply do not deliver the same intelligence as a human proofreader, but we rely on them as though they do. For example, a spellchecker would have failed to catch the word "flours" because such a word does exist--it's not misspelled--but the software was not smart enough to recognize from the context that we were talking about "flowers".
The challenge that today's blogger faces is the speed at witch articles need to be delivered -- there is not always time for a human to proofread every article to correct little 'brain farts' such as the one I just did (witch/which -- get it?). We have grown accustomed--and demand!--instant gratification when it comes to our news, and the blogger tries her best to oblige.
I was referring specifically to the New York Daily News, and not bloggers, and as I said, these blatant errors I saw were on the FRONT PAGE. They should employ human proofreaders.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#15 May 18, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I was referring specifically to the New York Daily News, and not bloggers, and as I said, these blatant errors I saw were on the FRONT PAGE. They should employ human proofreaders.
Absolutely, they should.

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#16 May 18, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't forget that snide can also be done in pretense--especially between colleagues or friends. Had I added a smiley face after that line it would have conveyed my true tone of voice--but I didn't even consider it at the time.
Ok. I am sorry though. Take care :)

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