Same-sex union fight readied

Feb 13, 2012 Read more: The News Tribune 16

Even before Gov. Chris Gregoire signs same-sex marriage into law today, supporters are anticipating an effort to overturn it and some religious groups are weighing how far they'll go to help do so.

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Since: Mar 07

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#1 Feb 13, 2012
Sad that harming families is a fight that these christians in name only are willing to take on. Not helping families, not spreading the word of God. Not taking care of the poor, even in their OWN flocks.

Just harming the families of others.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2 Feb 13, 2012
Same old religious hypocrisy. Don't these idiots that follow these religions see that with their religion there is nothing but hate all who maybe different and oppression. We already know that they are either completely ignorant of the U.S. constitution or simply could careless about anything our constitution declares. Maybe its time to put our second amendment into full force and drive these fundies out of the U.S. at gun point so all citizens can be free and live in peace.
Gay Soldier of the Cross

Alpharetta, GA

#3 Feb 13, 2012
Here is info for the 'christians' planning to deny American Citizenship Equality to GOD's Gay Soldiers of the Cross
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Gay marriage has been around a while now
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We have 10-year-olds who have never known a world without gay marriage; so its no big deal for younger generations
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The quest for marriage equality by Gay couples has absolutely nothing to do with heterosexual couples. Nothing has changed for the hets. Nothing has happened to “traditional marriage.”
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People who are straight have continued to date, get engaged, marry and build lives and families together as they always have. None of that has changed by allowing Gay couples to do the same
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This is really not any sort of a “sea change” for marriage, since the only difference between Gay and Straight couples is the gender of the two persons in the relationship; a detail so irrelevant its not recorded on marriage licenses
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Do you know why churches don't sell marriage licenses to the general public?
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History has shown that 'christians' require a couple to be 'christians' to quality to purchase a marriage license
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A whole lot of people couldn't get married
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So the government built a county courthouse within one day's horse-and-buggy ride from every home in America to make equal opportunity marriage available to every American Citizen; whether they be Hindu; Buddhist; Fundie; Wiccan; Mormon; Catholic; Jewish; Muslim; Christian; and even for those with no religion
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$35 Marriage licenses are sold only by clerks in county courthouses (and city halls) No religion required
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Judges and Justices of the Peace perform marriages; sometimes for FREE. No preacher required
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Its the American Way
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If you worry about gay marriages within your church; you would have to beg us to allow you to ruin our weddings like that
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Today's gay people have our own network of churches across America and in 42 nations where we have married for thousands of years
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files...
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We had much rather celebrate the most important day of our lives in our church enveloped with God's Unconditional Love; than in a church full of judgemental 'christians' who refuse to sit next to us in the same pew and publish it in writing on a public petition
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;o))

“Married 6/17/08”

Since: Feb 07

Porterville, CA

#4 Feb 13, 2012
Quest wrote:
Sad that harming families is a fight that these christians in name only are willing to take on. Not helping families, not spreading the word of God. Not taking care of the poor, even in their OWN flocks.
Just harming the families of others.
Some Churches are ok with same sex marriage, Unitarian and others for example, some are opposed. Sounds to me as though those opposed are saying our church is better than your Church. Many of them will NEVER be ok with GLBT people having equal rights just like here in CA back when Prop 22 was passed. They said "Domestic Partnership" was fine then when that happened they raised all kinds of hell because"it went against the 'will of the people'".

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Feb 13, 2012
The anti-gays need 120,577 signatures by 6 Jun; otherwise same-sex couples can start marrying 7 Jun.

One other glitch- if they DO get the required signatures, the ballot language will be approved by the anti-gay attorney general who not coincidentally is the GOP candidate for governor this year. I don't know how much leeway they have with the ballot language- i.e. "should fags be allowed to marry & molest your children"- but I'm sure anything anti-gay would be challenged in court.

“Gay & Proud & Lawfully Married”

Since: Jan 07

Porterville CA

#6 Feb 13, 2012
Food for thought.....Since Washington State is within the 9th Circuit. The 9th Circuit Prop 8 decision will apply there also. So in June when Marriages begin, if the proposed ballot referendum removes the right for same sex couples to marry that right can not be withdrawn.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Feb 13, 2012
Brock93257 wrote:
Food for thought.....Since Washington State is within the 9th Circuit. The 9th Circuit Prop 8 decision will apply there also. So in June when Marriages begin, if the proposed ballot referendum removes the right for same sex couples to marry that right can not be withdrawn.
The law doesn't take effect if the anti-gays get enough signatures to put in to referendum. It's held in abeyance until after the election. So the Prop8 ruling wouldn't have any effect.

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#8 Feb 13, 2012
jcofe wrote:
<quoted text>
Some Churches are ok with same sex marriage, Unitarian and others for example, some are opposed. Sounds to me as though those opposed are saying our church is better than your Church. Many of them will NEVER be ok with GLBT people having equal rights just like here in CA back when Prop 22 was passed. They said "Domestic Partnership" was fine then when that happened they raised all kinds of hell because"it went against the 'will of the people'".
Some of the other churches who are fine with same sex marriage and gay and lesbian pastors are The Lutheran Church (ELCA) and The United Church Of Christ (UCC).

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#9 Feb 13, 2012
To all religious organizations opposed to civil marriage equality:

Marriage equality has been the law in Massachusetts since 17 May 2004. In that time, how many same-sex marriages has the state forced the Catholic Church, or any other church, to officiate?

NONE! ZERO! ZILCH!

When marriage equality comes to the state of Washington, will your church be required to officiate same-sex civil marriages? NO!!

So this law affects you how??

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#10 Feb 13, 2012
"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama

And yet some churches devote millions trying to harm gay people in the name of Jesus.

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#11 Feb 13, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama
And yet some churches devote millions trying to harm gay people in the name of Jesus.
And some people crash airliners into buildings in the name of their religion.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#12 Feb 13, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
<quoted text>
And some people crash airliners into buildings in the name of their religion.
History is full of examples of atrocities committed in the name of religion, and that is why the founders tried to separate the church from they state, and why we are a constitutional republic rather than a theocracy or a direct democracy.

"While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe." ( www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/... ...)

"A 1578 handbook for inquisitors spelled out the purpose of inquisitorial penalties: "for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit." Terrorism used to enforce religious beliefs on the entire population was the intent. And while softened a bit in the western world, that pattern survives into present time, especially in parts of Africa.

But the inquisitions were not limited to Spain and its territories throughout the world. Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition:
the Medieval Inquisition (1184–1230s)
the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )(wiki)
paul shykora arts

Calgary, Canada

#13 Feb 13, 2012
...tHey..''NEVER'' Will be ..equal,here...eh..

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#14 Feb 13, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
History is full of examples of atrocities committed in the name of religion, and that is why the founders tried to separate the church from they state, and why we are a constitutional republic rather than a theocracy or a direct democracy.
"While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe." ( www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/... ...)
"A 1578 handbook for inquisitors spelled out the purpose of inquisitorial penalties: "for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit." Terrorism used to enforce religious beliefs on the entire population was the intent. And while softened a bit in the western world, that pattern survives into present time, especially in parts of Africa.
But the inquisitions were not limited to Spain and its territories throughout the world. Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition:
the Medieval Inquisition (1184–1230s)
the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )(wiki)
I'm well aware of all that.
Mitt s Airtight Dog Crate

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Feb 13, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
So this law affects you how??
It is a clear burden on the evilgelicals' imperative to discriminate against glbt people in secular law.

Plus, it probably does cement, if not itself hasten, this "normalization" of variations in sexual orientation you always hear Christsharians braying about.
ateo

Dallas, TX

#16 Feb 13, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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And some people crash airliners into buildings in the name of their religion.
and some bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors in the name of Christianity.

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