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Minn. gay marriage ban could prompt exodus

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som3on3

Hope, MN

#24 May 9, 2006
I feel better..Thanks..
dances_with_weebles wrote:
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now there's a bit of good old fashioned paranoia.
listen... while personally i wouldn't be all that chuffed if the world did come to an end but there is no way possible that the idea of gay marriage will make every straight person in the world run out and become same sex oriented. it just doesn't work that way so you don't have to worry on that score, okay?
relax... breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out... feel better now?
Dennis

Parkville, MD

#25 May 10, 2006
Religion will be the downfall of mankind. The belief that some being living in the sky has given you the right to prevent others from being happy is so stupid it hurts. As for gay people, it's something they are born with, not a "moral choice". Let them get married, divorced, whatever. It doesn't affect me, it doesn't affect my children. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Love it, live it, and protect it!
Tony

Duluth, MN

#26 May 10, 2006
Som3On3 wrote:
You'll say and justify whatever you want. I am not in a position to judge anyone. Whatever religion you have, your God will decide if what you've done is right or wrong.
All I know, if everyone turns into gay/lesbian, the world will come into an end. Human beings will stop to evolve. Scary thought. There's already enough problems in this world. Let's not add anymore.<quoted text>
Turns into gay/lesbian???? Are you serious????? Theological hipocrocy not-with-standing... TURNING GAY? is it contagious????? Maybe I should run and hide with my little bible to protect me from the evil gays spreading their immoralness...

For crying out loud people... Who really cares who marries who? Whos buisness is it anyway? I'f youre a guy, and you DONT want to take it, well, ya know... Then DONT!!!! If you want to- then have fun... Ladies, if you dont want to lick a little, ya know, then never ask your boyfriends or husbands to do it again... Nah, just kidding, then dont do it... What ever your reasons are for hating people you have never met, we DO remember seperation of church and state right??? Everyone wants to talk about morality this and rights that. One has nothing to do with the other. Worry about your kids staying off drugs, in school, and out of porn (at least until they are 21) instead of who Bill next door is going to bed with... Unless of course you're afraid its your husband/boyfriend...
Just Because

Poplar Bluff, MO

#27 May 10, 2006
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Turns into gay/lesbian???? Are you serious????? Theological hipocrocy not-with-standing... TURNING GAY? is it contagious????? Maybe I should run and hide with my little bible to protect me from the evil gays spreading their immoralness...
For crying out loud people... Who really cares who marries who? Whos buisness is it anyway? I'f youre a guy, and you DONT want to take it, well, ya know... Then DONT!!!! If you want to- then have fun... Ladies, if you dont want to lick a little, ya know, then never ask your boyfriends or husbands to do it again... Nah, just kidding, then dont do it... What ever your reasons are for hating people you have never met, we DO remember seperation of church and state right??? Everyone wants to talk about morality this and rights that. One has nothing to do with the other. Worry about your kids staying off drugs, in school, and out of porn (at least until they are 21) instead of who Bill next door is going to bed with... Unless of course you're afraid its your husband/boyfriend...
WELL SAID
dances_with_weeb les

Brazil

#28 May 11, 2006
som3on3 wrote:
I feel better..Thanks..
<quoted text>
it's okay... any time.
som3on3

Hope, MN

#31 May 12, 2006
Nope I strongly disagree. You can't just do whatever you want. You need to think about consequences of your behavior/action towards others & your future generation. Because if you don't, they'll bite you eventually. Freedom needs to be limited but not eliminated!

I firmly believe being a gay/lesbian is an OPTION. You don't born with it but you learn it from your environment or perhaps from a traumatic experience. That's why I use the word 'turn'. I could be wrong but there is no scientific evidence so far that suggests it is genetically-driven. Hey.. don't get me wrong, I have plenty of gay/lesbian friends who are very kind and nice people. I have no problem hanging out with them. I just have a hard time explaining to my kids of why little john across the street has two dads.
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Turns into gay/lesbian???? Are you serious????? Theological hipocrocy not-with-standing... TURNING GAY? is it contagious????? Maybe I should run and hide with my little bible to protect me from the evil gays spreading their immoralness...
For crying out loud people... Who really cares who marries who? Whos buisness is it anyway? I'f youre a guy, and you DONT want to take it, well, ya know... Then DONT!!!! If you want to- then have fun... Ladies, if you dont want to lick a little, ya know, then never ask your boyfriends or husbands to do it again... Nah, just kidding, then dont do it... What ever your reasons are for hating people you have never met, we DO remember seperation of church and state right??? Everyone wants to talk about morality this and rights that. One has nothing to do with the other. Worry about your kids staying off drugs, in school, and out of porn (at least until they are 21) instead of who Bill next door is going to bed with... Unless of course you're afraid its your husband/boyfriend...
dances_with_weeb les

Brazil

#32 May 12, 2006
TRACY wrote:
WE ALSO NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THE WACKO'S THAT ROAM THE EARTH. SOME BECOME TEACHERS IN OUR GOVERNMENT SCHOOL SYSTEMS, IF OUR GOVERNMENT SAY IT IS OK FOR THE GAY'S TO TEACH, WHAT IS STOPPING THEM FROM SPREADING THERE PLITE.
exactly what 'plite' are they spreading? what sort of wackos are you referring to, may i ask?
Government Operative

Saint Paul, MN

#33 May 12, 2006
Shame on all you Christians who harbor so much hatred and intolerance in your hearts. Jesus would be sickened. Shame on you. Shame on you for not loving thy neighbor, for not accepting them for being who they are. Shame on you for using scripture as a shield to hide your ignorance, intolerance and hatred. How disturbingly Un-Christian of you.

You can't go about quoting the old testiment. Christ died for our sins and gave us the new testament- rules which he realized that flawed people could actually strive to live by. And he is a kind and loving savior, is he not? And are you not supposed to emulate him, to learn form his teachings of love and acceptance and tolerance for your fellow human?
Sara Shaw

Cambridge, MA

#34 May 12, 2006
I am pretty ashamed at all the negative comments for the posting. I thought this was the 21st century and everyone had finally grown up enough to not bash on people regardless of their age, sex, religion, or sexual preference. I find it hard to believe that while people who are Christian feel that God really appreciates you writing harassing and evil comments. Anyways, legally there is a separation of church and state so save the bible comments and back up your opinion with something more intelligent.

Since: Dec 05

Palo Alto, CA

#35 May 12, 2006
Well then, that's really your problem if you can't explain it. Its quite simple: "Johnny has two dads because they love eachother very much". That's enough for most kids.
som3on3 wrote:
Nope I strongly disagree. You can't just do whatever you want. You need to think about consequences of your behavior/action towards others & your future generation. Because if you don't, they'll bite you eventually. Freedom needs to be limited but not eliminated!
I firmly believe being a gay/lesbian is an OPTION. You don't born with it but you learn it from your environment or perhaps from a traumatic experience. That's why I use the word 'turn'. I could be wrong but there is no scientific evidence so far that suggests it is genetically-driven. Hey.. don't get me wrong, I have plenty of gay/lesbian friends who are very kind and nice people. I have no problem hanging out with them. I just have a hard time explaining to my kids of why little john across the street has two dads.
<quoted text>
Just Because

Poplar Bluff, MO

#36 May 12, 2006
som3on3 wrote:
Nope I strongly disagree. You can't just do whatever you want. You need to think about consequences of your behavior/action towards others & your future generation. Because if you don't, they'll bite you eventually. Freedom needs to be limited but not eliminated!
I firmly believe being a gay/lesbian is an OPTION. You don't born with it but you learn it from your environment or perhaps from a traumatic experience. That's why I use the word 'turn'. I could be wrong but there is no scientific evidence so far that suggests it is genetically-driven. Hey.. don't get me wrong, I have plenty of gay/lesbian friends who are very kind and nice people. I have no problem hanging out with them. I just have a hard time explaining to my kids of why little john across the street has two dads.
<quoted text>
OPTION hmmmm.... My options would be to be with a man which I'm not attracted to. And be miserable every day of my life. Knowing that what I'm doing isnt what feels right in my heart just to make others happy. NO thank you. I would prefer to share my life with my partner who makes me happy. Knowing that I'm doing what is right for me.

Traumatic experience.... nope none here. "Learn it from your environment" you say.... nope that didn't happen either. I grew up in a straight home. I wasn't raises around anyone that was gay or at least that I knew of. I just knew when it was time for me to start liking boys well I was looking at the girls. There was no reason for it other then that is what attracted me. That is just how it is for some people. I dont see why it is so hard for people to understand that. There is nothing wrong with me. I am comfortable with who I am.
Rachel

Columbia, MO

#37 May 12, 2006
som3on3 wrote:
Nope I strongly disagree. You can't just do whatever you want. You need to think about consequences of your behavior/action towards others & your future generation. Because if you don't, they'll bite you eventually. Freedom needs to be limited but not eliminated!
I firmly believe being a gay/lesbian is an OPTION. You don't born with it but you learn it from your environment or perhaps from a traumatic experience. That's why I use the word 'turn'. I could be wrong but there is no scientific evidence so far that suggests it is genetically-driven. Hey.. don't get me wrong, I have plenty of gay/lesbian friends who are very kind and nice people. I have no problem hanging out with them. I just have a hard time explaining to my kids of why little john across the street has two dads.
<quoted text>
I'm curious if your "gay/lesbian friends" realize that you think they are below you and not deserving of equal rights. Why is it so hard to explain? My nieces and nephews have no issues with it, the kids that come over to play with my children have no issues understanding our marriage. Kids aren't born being hateful and bigoted, they learn it from their parents. As for everyone turning gay...LOL are you kidding me? No true hetero is going to wake up one morning and decide to be gay. You can't decide, if you could I'd still be married to my ex-husband. If God meant for me to be with my ex-husband I wouldn't have had to choke back vomiting every time we had sex. And no, he's not gross, he's actually very handsome with a nice chiseled body, and he wouldn't have made it so wonderful to be with my wife. And NO, I grew up on a farm raised by hetero parents in the bible belt and had no "bad experiences". So please tell me why I'd choose to be gay when as forums like this show its not a very popular idea.
som3on3

Hope, MN

#38 May 15, 2006
Nope it's not only my problems. Other parents in 'traditional' families have similar issues too.

Keep doing what you believe is right for you, and I'll do the same.
Only God will decide if it's right or wrong.

I rested my case. Ciao..
newt wrote:
Well then, that's really your problem if you can't explain it. Its quite simple: "Johnny has two dads because they love eachother very much". That's enough for most kids.<quoted text>
som3on3

Hope, MN

#39 May 15, 2006
Why did you marry him to begin with then? What went thru your mind at first? What did you expect from your marriage at first? to raise wonderful kids? to have GREAT sex everytime!?? or else???
Sex is important but should not be enough to sacrifice your family/kids. Do you honestly think that deep inside they are 'fine' with your choice?

I used the word 'turn' because I believe being a homosexual is an OPTION. You said it yourself. If we don't controlled our mind (and instead you let situation controlled you) and stick with the basic idea of a marriage/family, this society will have a hard time holding up together. Like they're saying: KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid! People should be given freedom only when they understand what freedom really means. Too many people have misused it.

If I can guess I think in your case, it's the people you hang out with that have strong influence in your decision. You obivously don't learn it from your parents or from a tragic event.

Ciao..
Rachel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm curious if your "gay/lesbian friends" realize that you think they are below you and not deserving of equal rights. Why is it so hard to explain? My nieces and nephews have no issues with it, the kids that come over to play with my children have no issues understanding our marriage. Kids aren't born being hateful and bigoted, they learn it from their parents. As for everyone turning gay...LOL are you kidding me? No true hetero is going to wake up one morning and decide to be gay. You can't decide, if you could I'd still be married to my ex-husband. If God meant for me to be with my ex-husband I wouldn't have had to choke back vomiting every time we had sex. And no, he's not gross, he's actually very handsome with a nice chiseled body, and he wouldn't have made it so wonderful to be with my wife. And NO, I grew up on a farm raised by hetero parents in the bible belt and had no "bad experiences". So please tell me why I'd choose to be gay when as forums like this show its not a very popular idea.
som3on3

Hope, MN

#40 May 15, 2006
It's all about you, you, you, you,..and you huh?
Just Because wrote:
<quoted text>
OPTION hmmmm.... My options would be to be with a man which I'm not attracted to. And be miserable every day of my life. Knowing that what I'm doing isnt what feels right in my heart just to make others happy. NO thank you. I would prefer to share my life with my partner who makes me happy. Knowing that I'm doing what is right for me.
Traumatic experience.... nope none here. "Learn it from your environment" you say.... nope that didn't happen either. I grew up in a straight home. I wasn't raises around anyone that was gay or at least that I knew of. I just knew when it was time for me to start liking boys well I was looking at the girls. There was no reason for it other then that is what attracted me. That is just how it is for some people. I dont see why it is so hard for people to understand that. There is nothing wrong with me. I am comfortable with who I am.
Drizzt

Columbia, MO

#41 May 15, 2006

We folks need to leave these poor fundamentalists alone.
Now let them go about their business filling their minds to capacity.
We must not forget that the bible is a long book and once they establish their one, contradictory interpretation, then open-minded, compassionate people are out of business.
To approach an intelligent conversation is to work overtime.
It's kind of like talking to a wall for a long winter.
Carol B

Minneapolis, MN

#42 May 15, 2006
What in the world is wrong with everyone? Gay people have existed since time began and suddenly everyone can't stop talking about them?

Just exactly WHAT does this have to do with any of you if you are NOT gay? It's a NON-ISSUE, people, designed to divide people POLITICALLY.

If you think THIS is what separates people on either side of the fence, you are nuts. Look at what is happening in your own life, in the areas that matter most: jobs, economy, health care, education, etc. THOSE are the issues on which you should base voting decisions.

Futhermore, those who would blame "parenting" for "producing gays": WAKE UP. I have two brothers. We received the same parenting. One brother is gay and the other is as straight as straight gets, as am I.

There is a genetic predisposition on my mother's side, where in each generation there are at least two or three gays. I have two cousins on my mother's side who are also gay (both male). None of the females are gay and no one is gay on my father's side.

Get the picture?
Josh Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN

#45 May 15, 2006
With the decline of morals in a country, goes the decline of that country. Immorality has ruined nations in the past, and history has a tendency to repeat itself. Unfortunately, there is an agenda to try and wipe out morals in America if they have any relation to religion and especially the Christian faith. Unfortunately, our country's morals have declined, and I hope and pray that we can turn it around and make America a place that is "One Nation, Under God." America was founded upon religion, and to think of what has become of our morals would probably make our fore-fathers roll in their graves. May God have mercy, and may God Bless America.
Josh Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN

#46 May 15, 2006
Government Operative wrote:
Shame on all you Christians who harbor so much hatred and intolerance in your hearts. Jesus would be sickened. Shame on you. Shame on you for not loving thy neighbor, for not accepting them for being who they are. Shame on you for using scripture as a shield to hide your ignorance, intolerance and hatred. How disturbingly Un-Christian of you.
You can't go about quoting the old testiment. Christ died for our sins and gave us the new testament- rules which he realized that flawed people could actually strive to live by. And he is a kind and loving savior, is he not? And are you not supposed to emulate him, to learn form his teachings of love and acceptance and tolerance for your fellow human?
Although I haven't read all of the postings on this comment section, I would like to say something as a Christian. I do not hate people, whether gay or not. However, I hate the sin of homosexuals, in addition to the sins of fornicators, adulturers, etc. However, Jesus came to save, and he died that we could have eternal life. In the New Testament, I believe it is pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. Romans 1 is a clear indicator of that. However, if I "accept them for being who they are," is that really love? Is it love to let your friend go on doing something that is wrong and could lead to their harm? I think not, and as Romans 1 talks about, homosexuality can lead to forgetting God, which leads to a reprobate mind. I believe that if I truly loved, I would want to lead all sinners to Christ and deliverance through His grace. Jesus loves them, but he hates their sin. However, other homosexuals have been freed from their sin, and it can come true in the lives of others as well. God has helped me overcome my sins in the past, and He can help you overcome your sins as well, no matter if your gay or straight.
Carol B

Minneapolis, MN

#48 May 15, 2006
Who are you to judge what Jesus thought of gay people? In the first place, the Bible is an interpretative work of multiple scribes and not the DIRECT word of God. No doubt anything that says or that can be read as saying "being gay is wrong" in the scriptures is a reflection of local laws and/or culture at that point in time.

You Christians who want to throw stones at gay people as sinners had better take a look at your own lives. "Let he who is WITHOUT sin cast the first stone", remember that?

Further, do you really believe that there are NO gays who are ALSO Christians?

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