Supreme Court urged to support gay marriage limits

There are 20 comments on the WTAX-AM Springfield story from Jan 22, 2013, titled Supreme Court urged to support gay marriage limits. In it, WTAX-AM Springfield reports that:

The Supreme Court was urged on Tuesday to uphold the constitutionality of two laws that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, as it prepares to hear arguments in the historic same-sex marriage cases two months from now.

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“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#218 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
Gays have made themselves biological errors. They created their own disorders. The bible condemns homosexuals, as well as homosexuals being evil because they are destroying the american family, the natural sex drive, the abilty to love, and are raping children and homosexualing them against their will and natural sexuality and sexual health.
Who told you all this? These are complete fabrications. Have you even MET any real gay people? Or are you allowing some misinformed person to feed you stereotypes?

How does a person create their OWN disorder? Could YOU do that? Do you have the capacity to make yourself attracted to someone that you're not? I sure don't. As I hit puberty, my body TOLD me who I was going to be attracted to. I played no part in it.

And your fears are WAY over the top. Destroying the American family? Destroying the natural sex drive? Please tell me, what's happening to your family and your sex drive? Is someone destroying them? How, exactly? Have you lost the ability to love because of me? That makes no sense. My ability to love is perfectly intact, as I share it with my partner daily. If you feel that your ability to love is inhibited in some way, gay people have nothing to do with that. That's something that YOU need to work on, not BLAME on other people.

I see MANY different kinds of people raping children in the news (with emphasis on Catholic priests, for some reason), and that should certainly be fought against. But for you to focus on gay people, makes it sound like you prefer to overlook the HETEROsexuals who rape children (there are PLENTY). You should focus on ALL people who rape, whether they're gay or straight, whether they're raping adults or children, males or females. Rape is bad in ANY case.

But certainly, no one is “homosexualing” any children. We encourage kids WHO ARE ALREADY GAY to be themselves. We encourage families to love their children unconditionally. That doesn’t always happen for gay teens. They often grow up believing that their families will hate them unless they lie and pretend to be something they’re not. No one was “homosexualing” me, I had to figure it out on my own, with the constant fear of being disowned, or beaten, or worse. This is no way for a child to live. You may not believe that gay kids are out there, but that would just be denying reality. They ARE out there, and they need love, understanding and acceptance, not browbeating and fearmongering.

I can’t help you with your Bible issues. If you want to believe in talking animals and magic and ghosts, I won’t try to stop you. But you shouldn’t use these fables as a basis for how you treat others (unless it's to love your neighbor), nor as an excuse to reject the reality of the world. This only divides humanity for trivial reasons, something that no truly loving god would intend. Find your OWN reasons to build bridges and welcome diversity. Don’t use ancient, primitive stories to build walls or foster hatred.

But, I suppose this will all go in one ear and out the other.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#219 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
Evil little folly of youth belongs to rainboy kid.
If sniping is a fundamentalist value; I'm glad I'm not a fundie
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#220 Jan 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Our CONSTITUTION is NOT now or ever been based on GOD!!!!
God is not MENTIONED at all in the Constitution, and is briefly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence!!!!
We were not FOUNDED on Religious principals either!!!
We are founded on religious people. The constitution may not be based on God himself, but the constitution is definitely based on the values of people who have values of that in the Bible. So stop whining and winging, you're too angry child!
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#221 Jan 29, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
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Who told you all this? These are complete fabrications. Have you even MET any real gay people? Or are you allowing some misinformed person to feed you stereotypes?
How does a person create their OWN disorder? Could YOU do that? Do you have the capacity to make yourself attracted to someone that you're not? I sure don't. As I hit puberty, my body TOLD me who I was going to be attracted to. I played no part in it.
And your fears are WAY over the top. Destroying the American family? Destroying the natural sex drive? Please tell me, what's happening to your family and your sex drive? Is someone destroying them? How, exactly? Have you lost the ability to love because of me? That makes no sense. My ability to love is perfectly intact, as I share it with my partner daily. If you feel that your ability to love is inhibited in some way, gay people have nothing to do with that. That's something that YOU need to work on, not BLAME on other people.
I see MANY different kinds of people raping children in the news (with emphasis on Catholic priests, for some reason), and that should certainly be fought against. But for you to focus on gay people, makes it sound like you prefer to overlook the HETEROsexuals who rape children (there are PLENTY). You should focus on ALL people who rape, whether they're gay or straight, whether they're raping adults or children, males or females. Rape is bad in ANY case.
But certainly, no one is “homosexualing” any children. We encourage kids WHO ARE ALREADY GAY to be themselves. We encourage families to love their children unconditionally. That doesn’t always happen for gay teens. They often grow up believing that their families will hate them unless they lie and pretend to be something they’re not. No one was “homosexualing” me, I had to figure it out on my own, with the constant fear of being disowned, or beaten, or worse. This is no way for a child to live. You may not believe that gay kids are out there, but that would just be denying reality. They ARE out there, and they need love, understanding and acceptance, not browbeating and fearmongering.
I can’t help you with your Bible issues. If you want to believe in talking animals and magic and ghosts, I won’t try to stop you. But you shouldn’t use these fables as a basis for how you treat others (unless it's to love your neighbor), nor as an excuse to reject the reality of the world. This only divides humanity for trivial reasons, something that no truly loving god would intend. Find your OWN reasons to build bridges and welcome diversity. Don’t use ancient, primitive stories to build walls or foster hatred.
But, I suppose this will all go in one ear and out the other.
Your body did tell you, but you distorted your bodies sexual attraction system. I could do that yes, but it would take a very long time. And it works very well with people who have hit puberty to indoctrinate them and trick them into being gay. Oh such words, you must be so cross and have a desire to fix things, being integral for a change? Picked the high road? Feel better for it?

Since: Jan 08

Orlando, FL

#223 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Can't stand your ground?
Only a fool argues with an idiot.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#224 Jan 29, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Who told you all this? These are complete fabrications. Have you even MET any real gay people? Or are you allowing some misinformed person to feed you stereotypes?
How does a person create their OWN disorder? Could YOU do that? Do you have the capacity to make yourself attracted to someone that you're not? I sure don't. As I hit puberty, my body TOLD me who I was going to be attracted to. I played no part in it.
And your fears are WAY over the top. Destroying the American family? Destroying the natural sex drive? Please tell me, what's happening to your family and your sex drive? Is someone destroying them? How, exactly? Have you lost the ability to love because of me? That makes no sense. My ability to love is perfectly intact, as I share it with my partner daily. If you feel that your ability to love is inhibited in some way, gay people have nothing to do with that. That's something that YOU need to work on, not BLAME on other people.
I see MANY different kinds of people raping children in the news (with emphasis on Catholic priests, for some reason), and that should certainly be fought against. But for you to focus on gay people, makes it sound like you prefer to overlook the HETEROsexuals who rape children (there are PLENTY). You should focus on ALL people who rape, whether they're gay or straight, whether they're raping adults or children, males or females. Rape is bad in ANY case.
But certainly, no one is “homosexualing” any children. We encourage kids WHO ARE ALREADY GAY to be themselves. We encourage families to love their children unconditionally. That doesn’t always happen for gay teens. They often grow up believing that their families will hate them unless they lie and pretend to be something they’re not. No one was “homosexualing” me, I had to figure it out on my own, with the constant fear of being disowned, or beaten, or worse. This is no way for a child to live. You may not believe that gay kids are out there, but that would just be denying reality. They ARE out there, and they need love, understanding and acceptance, not browbeating and fearmongering.
I can’t help you with your Bible issues. If you want to believe in talking animals and magic and ghosts, I won’t try to stop you. But you shouldn’t use these fables as a basis for how you treat others (unless it's to love your neighbor), nor as an excuse to reject the reality of the world. This only divides humanity for trivial reasons, something that no truly loving god would intend. Find your OWN reasons to build bridges and welcome diversity. Don’t use ancient, primitive stories to build walls or foster hatred.
But, I suppose this will all go in one ear and out the other.
Your body did tell you, but you distorted yourself, you filthy little ingrate. Kids are being tricked into becoming gay. Such words! Got angry and want to put me right, because I hurt others, because I look evil, so now you want to fix things? Picked the high road? Don't like me? Don't like the big bad round here? Picked the high road? Did you feel better after? Must suck!
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#225 Jan 29, 2013
Dubya wrote:
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Only a fool argues with an idiot.
Created another rule for yourself? So now you want to stick to it but find an excuse to actually answer?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#226 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
Your body did tell you, but you distorted your bodies sexual attraction system.
I did no such thing. Prove your claim. You know nothing about me, we've never met. Don't make such assumptions about strangers. How could anyone do what you're claiming?
Largelanguage wrote:
I could do that yes, but it would take a very long time.
HOW? Explain the mechanics of this to me. Why should it take a "very long time" for you, but not someone else, like me?
Largelanguage wrote:
And it works very well with people who have hit puberty to indoctrinate them and trick them into being gay.
How? HOW? How do you "trick" someone into being gay? Most teenaged boys I've met are VERY focused on sex. They absolutely KNOW who they're attracted to. How do you "trick" them into being gay? Do they just not notice?

Are you saying that these teens WERE previously straight, but that their feelings toward the opposite sex simply VANISHED?

Again, no one did this to me. No one "tricked" me or "indoctrinated" me. From my very first sexual feelings, I knew they were towards other males, with no input from anyone. When I had my first sexual experiences with another male, I was ALREADY gay.

I think you are just repeating something that someone else told you, with no real understanding of how it would even work, and without ever checking with a REAL gay person to see if it even COULD work, or ever HAS worked.
Largelanguage wrote:
Oh such words, you must be so cross and have a desire to fix things, being integral for a change? Picked the high road? Feel better for it?
I HAVE picked the high road, as a matter of fact. I would never disparage someone for such a trivial reason. If you want to hate someone, then get to KNOW them as an individual, and hate them for HONEST reasons. Hate people who have personally WRONGED you, not simply people who are different from you. That's the LOW, low road.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#227 Jan 29, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
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I did no such thing. Prove your claim. You know nothing about me, we've never met. Don't make such assumptions about strangers. How could anyone do what you're claiming?
<quoted text>
HOW? Explain the mechanics of this to me. Why should it take a "very long time" for you, but not someone else, like me?
<quoted text>
How? HOW? How do you "trick" someone into being gay? Most teenaged boys I've met are VERY focused on sex. They absolutely KNOW who they're attracted to. How do you "trick" them into being gay? Do they just not notice?
Are you saying that these teens WERE previously straight, but that their feelings toward the opposite sex simply VANISHED?
Again, no one did this to me. No one "tricked" me or "indoctrinated" me. From my very first sexual feelings, I knew they were towards other males, with no input from anyone. When I had my first sexual experiences with another male, I was ALREADY gay.
I think you are just repeating something that someone else told you, with no real understanding of how it would even work, and without ever checking with a REAL gay person to see if it even COULD work, or ever HAS worked.
<quoted text>
I HAVE picked the high road, as a matter of fact. I would never disparage someone for such a trivial reason. If you want to hate someone, then get to KNOW them as an individual, and hate them for HONEST reasons. Hate people who have personally WRONGED you, not simply people who are different from you. That's the LOW, low road.
Teenagers know their sexuality because they are brought healthily. And Kids aren't always fixated on sex, such lies. It is easy to indoctrinate a kid, because their sexuality is just forming, but it would take a very long time to change my sexuality because it has already formed. And actually teenagers are tricked into finding skinny ugly girls attractive when really they don't find them attractive. Just because the person has wronged you doesn't mean they can just be hated, they are still people. And no, you have no right to say that, what people think of others is none of your business.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#228 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
Teenagers know their sexuality because they are brought healthily. And Kids aren't always fixated on sex, such lies. It is easy to indoctrinate a kid, because their sexuality is just forming, but it would take a very long time to change my sexuality because it has already formed. And actually teenagers are tricked into finding skinny ugly girls attractive when really they don't find them attractive.
Where are you GETTING all this stuff? This is pure bunk. Tricked into finding skinny ugly girls attractive? When have you seen this work? Do you REALLY think it's so EASY to just "trick" people into liking something they don't like? Can kids be tricked into finding ANIMALS attractive? Buildings? Airplanes? The Sun? Are kids just THAT foolishly malleable?

Why isn't someone putting this phenomenon to WORK? Trick these kids into liking homework and college essays!

But, now you are suggesting that gay people are gay because of their UPBRINGING? How many contradictory ideas do you HAVE? First you say we're "evil", then you say we're "biological errors", then we're "tricked", and then we're "distorting our own sexual attraction system" (whatever that is). Now it's "upbringing". Make up your mind! It can't be ALL these things.

These constant changes to your story tell me that you don't have a clue about any of this. You're either making things up, or just repeating what someone ELSE made up.
Largelanguage wrote:
Just because the person has wronged you doesn't mean they can just be hated, they are still people.
But you seem to be very comfortable hating people simply for being GAY, without ever even meeting them. This is just prejudiced behavior. It would be at least SLIGHTLY more admirable for you to hate people who you have interacted with, and who have brought some transgression against you.
Largelanguage wrote:
And no, you have no right to say that, what people think of others is none of your business.
If you come here to an internet site and POST your thoughts, then you MAKE it everyone's business. Go hate people silently and alone, if you don't want anyone else commenting about it. You BROADCAST it when you post it here. You INVITE comment.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#229 Jan 29, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are you GETTING all this stuff? This is pure bunk. Tricked into finding skinny ugly girls attractive? When have you seen this work? Do you REALLY think it's so EASY to just "trick" people into liking something they don't like? Can kids be tricked into finding ANIMALS attractive? Buildings? Airplanes? The Sun? Are kids just THAT foolishly malleable?
Why isn't someone putting this phenomenon to WORK? Trick these kids into liking homework and college essays!
But, now you are suggesting that gay people are gay because of their UPBRINGING? How many contradictory ideas do you HAVE? First you say we're "evil", then you say we're "biological errors", then we're "tricked", and then we're "distorting our own sexual attraction system" (whatever that is). Now it's "upbringing". Make up your mind! It can't be ALL these things.
These constant changes to your story tell me that you don't have a clue about any of this. You're either making things up, or just repeating what someone ELSE made up.
<quoted text>
But you seem to be very comfortable hating people simply for being GAY, without ever even meeting them. This is just prejudiced behavior. It would be at least SLIGHTLY more admirable for you to hate people who you have interacted with, and who have brought some transgression against you.
<quoted text>
If you come here to an internet site and POST your thoughts, then you MAKE it everyone's business. Go hate people silently and alone, if you don't want anyone else commenting about it. You BROADCAST it when you post it here. You INVITE comment.
They think skinny girls are attractive in order to fit in, so they lie to themselves what they find attractive. Peoples upbringings make them in the direction of homosexuality, but it is the persons responsibility to not be gay and not make themselves biological errors.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#231 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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American Constitution is based on God. Don't get literal with me.
That was the "Declaration of Independence" and is in no way a poetic document. Neither is the Constitution.

Jefferson was a blatant Deist, not a Theist. HE would not have written something contrary to his beliefs, and there is no record of that section being even discussed for alteration.

Further, that sentence was included for the sole purpose of refuting the almost universally held view of the "divine right of kings", and that everything derives from the king. He was using an essential underpinning of monarchy, autocracy and inherited oligarchy for the purposes of Individual Freedom and the building of a new political theory.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#232 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Morals were based on the founding fathers.
You cannot base "morals" on an elite. That is to establish oligarchy.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#233 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Even the wicked are prepared by God for the day of evil, proverbs says.
The proverbs were a collection of maxims, not prophetic utterences.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#234 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Abraham Lincoln and the republicans had the perfect ideal of a Godly Constitution.
Lincoln NEVER mentioned or wrote about "god" before he ran for office.
JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#235 Jan 29, 2013
The founders of this country could not have forseen that the gravest danger would come from within, in the form of homosexuality. The Supreme Court must recognize the self-protections missing in the Constitution, and act accordingly.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#236 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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The religion is already seperate enough. But the peoples moral values come from the Bible originally, because of the founding fathers. People are still given a choice under Gods constitution and not in restrained by the bible.
"God's constitution" ???

You get a peanut.

(You're giving me a whole new meaning for the phrase "the peanut gallery")

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#237 Jan 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Our CONSTITUTION is NOT now or ever been based on GOD!!!!
God is not MENTIONED at all in the Constitution, and is briefly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence!!!!
We were not FOUNDED on Religious principals either!!!
Not in the "Declaration", either. Check the wording closely. "Creator" is used. That's pure Deist, not Theist.

Even THAT slight usage was only to subvert the claim to the "divine right of kings" that christendom promulgated.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#238 Jan 29, 2013
California Law:

"That same-sex relationships are not recognized as marriages does not reflect a public judgment that individuals in such relationships are 'inferior' or 'of lesser worth as a class,'" the brief said, "but simply the fact that such relationships do not implicate society's interest in responsible procreation in the same way that opposite-sex relationships do."

Right. And the same can be said for interracial marriage. And for Catholics marrying Protestants.
And for left-handed people marrying right-handed people.

No public "judgement intended". It's just that
the majority don't like interracial marriage.
Or Catholics marrying Protestants, or lefties marrying righties.

And what the majority likes or dislikes
should determine the law vis-a-vis minorities.

It's only fair.
Sgt Common Sense

United States

#239 Jan 29, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Teenagers know their sexuality because they are brought healthily. And Kids aren't always fixated on sex, such lies. It is easy to indoctrinate a kid, because their sexuality is just forming, but it would take a very long time to change my sexuality because it has already formed. And actually teenagers are tricked into finding skinny ugly girls attractive when really they don't find them attractive. Just because the person has wronged you doesn't mean they can just be hated, they are still people. And no, you have no right to say that, what people think of others is none of your business.
You really shouldn't start drinking so early in the day.
Can someone translate this for me? I left my Gibberish-to-English dictionary at home today.

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