Why is job discrimination the last pi...

Why is job discrimination the last piece of the gay-rights puzzle?

There are 334 comments on the Denver Post story from Nov 14, 2013, titled Why is job discrimination the last piece of the gay-rights puzzle?. In it, Denver Post reports that:

Same-sex marriage is legal in almost 16 states and gays can serve openly in the military, but a business can still fire someone over their sexual orientation.

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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Nov 14, 2013
That's a GREAT idea!
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Affirmative action for gays to protect gay people who live in the Constitutional Hate States
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That will complete the circle of gay rights implementation

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Nov 14, 2013
I thinks it's last because it's the LEAST effective of any laws; it's a feel good piece of legislation which will have the most effect on the religious bigots.

Businesses continue to find ways to fire people for all sorts of reasons- sexual orientation, race, religion, gender, etc, etc.

Even with this legislation, PROVING that was the reason they were fired is still an uphill climb.

That said, the only reason this bill hasn't passed is because the GOPasaurs control the House.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Nov 14, 2013
Affirmative action is a terrible idea. Individual companies may decide on their own that they need expertise to reach out to the GLBT community in order to execute their plans. But making employment decisions based on sexuality is exactly what we DO NOT want. Especially if they recruit at GOProud meetings.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#4 Nov 14, 2013
Sorry but even with ENDA there is at least one more step, that being housing.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Nov 14, 2013
easy answer

.place a checkbox on job applications for sexual preference so employers know who they can't fire for any reason
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. all applicants check "Bi" so total job security for all
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no job discrimination

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#7 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
Really? That must be some business you run there...tell us, at this time of year do you get many customers at your sidewalk lemonade stand?

Why do you LIE morning noon and night? "In any of my companies" indeed. Liar.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
And which companies would those be?

If you're so proud of firing any gay person, you should be proud enough to post the name(s) of those companies.

Or are you a typical cowardly homophobe?

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#9 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
Queers don't want to clean Porta Potties, wash chicken asses, or clean up dog shit anyway, we'll leave those jobs for you haters.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#10 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
I cannot wait to see Nazis like this start getting sued. Meantime, you truly are a coward for not expressing the name of your companies so that your fellow Klansmen can celebrate your bigotry, and decent human beings can avoid your "companies."

Of course, there's about a 2% chance this idiot "owns companies" and a 98% chance he's 17 years old and typing this crap while he's supposed to doing his homework on mom's computer.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Nov 14, 2013
lolol wrote:
easy answer
.place a checkbox on job applications for sexual preference so employers know who they can't fire for any reason
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. all applicants check "Bi" so total job security for all
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no job discrimination
The same lie racists have spread for years.

Being black or gay DOES NOT mean "you cannot fire me for any reason" it only means "you cannot fire me for being black or gay".

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#12 Nov 14, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
Affirmative action is a terrible idea. Individual companies may decide on their own that they need expertise to reach out to the GLBT community in order to execute their plans. But making employment decisions based on sexuality is exactly what we DO NOT want. Especially if they recruit at GOProud meetings.
Actually it's not a bad idea at all IF it can be demonstrated that there is significantly less employment opportunity for gay people. That might have been true 20 or 30 years ago, probably not now. AA in and of itself isn't a bad idea, it's still clearly appropriate for minorities and women. For gay people? Eh, probably not.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#13 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
Well I hope you finally win that Amway sales contest.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#14 Nov 14, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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Actually it's not a bad idea at all IF it can be demonstrated that there is significantly less employment opportunity for gay people. That might have been true 20 or 30 years ago, probably not now. AA in and of itself isn't a bad idea, it's still clearly appropriate for minorities and women. For gay people? Eh, probably not.
Affirmative action can be rationalized as remedy for generations of discrimination that have disadvantaged many minority communities. Although gay people have been discriminated against for generations, the effects to not pass from one generation to the next. As a result, two babies born today--one gay and one straight--have equally good prospects of success in life as long as on-going discrimination is eliminated.

Generational disadvantages which affect many other communities include lack of educational opportunities, ghetto backgrounds, and lack of successful role models.(Affirmative action also fails to the extent that not every member of a minority suffers from these disadvantages, and many non-minorities do suffer these disadvantages. But one of the effects of generational discrimination has been almost complete exclusion of minorities from society's higher institutions.)

There are a few affirmative action programs that seem to make some sense: For instance, police departments (which have a reputation for mistreatment of gays both in the force and in public) have actively sought to recruit gay cops. This enables the force to deal more effectively with a large section of the public. In this case, the affirmative action is driven by the goals of the police department, not by the need to reverse the effects of generational discrimination.

Even the glass ceiling is not as big a problem for gays, since we have always been everywhere. In the past, gays did not acknowledge their sexuality publicly, but there are well-known examples of corporate CEO's, senators, and congressmen. And they often mentored other gays. Obviously, gay people are just as likely to be born into wealth as anyone else.

Today, we have openly gay senators and congressmen. We have at least two out big-city mayors in the US, as well as a couple of state Speakers of the House. The front-runner (albeit a year out) for governor of Maine is openly gay. There are two openly gay prime ministers in Europe.

Gays can attain high levels of success without affirmative action. There is no legacy of discrimination that needs to be mitigated: There is only a need to mitigate on-going discrimination.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Nov 14, 2013
Mitchell wrote:
I don't hire queers in any of my companies. if I discover an employee "came out" I fire the queer. Problem solved.
People like you are the reason our lawyers are working to get Affirmative Action for Gay People etched in the law books
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Then WE can fire YOU for slacking on the job while you play on TOPIX
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Nov 14, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Affirmative action can be rationalized as remedy for generations of discrimination that have disadvantaged many minority communities. Although gay people have been discriminated against for generations, the effects to not pass from one generation to the next. As a result, two babies born today--one gay and one straight--have equally good prospects of success in life as long as on-going discrimination is eliminated.
Generational disadvantages which affect many other communities include lack of educational opportunities, ghetto backgrounds, and lack of successful role models.(Affirmative action also fails to the extent that not every member of a minority suffers from these disadvantages, and many non-minorities do suffer these disadvantages. But one of the effects of generational discrimination has been almost complete exclusion of minorities from society's higher institutions.)
There are a few affirmative action programs that seem to make some sense: For instance, police departments (which have a reputation for mistreatment of gays both in the force and in public) have actively sought to recruit gay cops. This enables the force to deal more effectively with a large section of the public. In this case, the affirmative action is driven by the goals of the police department, not by the need to reverse the effects of generational discrimination.
Even the glass ceiling is not as big a problem for gays, since we have always been everywhere. In the past, gays did not acknowledge their sexuality publicly, but there are well-known examples of corporate CEO's, senators, and congressmen. And they often mentored other gays. Obviously, gay people are just as likely to be born into wealth as anyone else.
Today, we have openly gay senators and congressmen. We have at least two out big-city mayors in the US, as well as a couple of state Speakers of the House. The front-runner (albeit a year out) for governor of Maine is openly gay. There are two openly gay prime ministers in Europe.
Gays can attain high levels of success without affirmative action. There is no legacy of discrimination that needs to be mitigated: There is only a need to mitigate on-going discrimination.
Our disadvantages concentrate in the redneck states that have anti-gay constitutional amendments and the accompanying arrogant attitudes
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Affirmative action for gays will be a big help for the gay populations living in these states
Cordwainer Trout

Elk Horn, KY

#17 Nov 14, 2013
Next, we'll have animal rights people telling us we can't eliminate rats from the workplace.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#18 Nov 14, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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People like you are the reason our lawyers are working to get Affirmative Action for Gay People etched in the law books
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Then WE can fire YOU for slacking on the job while you play on TOPIX
When did we start trying to do that?

Our lawyers are trying to get equal protection not preferential treatment. For you to say we seek preferential treatment is a sign that you are talking out your backside.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#19 Nov 14, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Next, we'll have animal rights people telling us we can't eliminate rats from the workplace.
Relax. You can always find a job at Mitchell's lemonade stand.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#20 Nov 14, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Our disadvantages concentrate in the redneck states that have anti-gay constitutional amendments and the accompanying arrogant attitudes
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Affirmative action for gays will be a big help for the gay populations living in these states
NOPE!
It would actually delay equality in employment, housing and public accommodations.

Do you REALLY THINK that making quotas mandatory for hotels in the South will help? How many cakes do you plan on forcing bakeries to sell to gays and lesbians?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#21 Nov 14, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Next, we'll have animal rights people telling us we can't eliminate rats from the workplace.
LOL!
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Tried to buy any serious rat poison lately?
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Animal Rights wants us to use a $40 wire cage trap that doesn't contact the rat's tail when the door slaps shut
http://www.bugspraycart.com/traps/cage/live-t...
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If your rats are pretty enough you can wholesale them to pet stores to help pay for the organic peanuts you use in the trap
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/...

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