Israeli memorial to gay Holocaust vic...

Israeli memorial to gay Holocaust victims a first

There are 13 comments on the The Daily Star story from Jan 10, 2014, titled Israeli memorial to gay Holocaust victims a first. In it, The Daily Star reports that:

Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon visits the former Auschwitz concentration camp at the Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial site on November 18, 2013 in Oswiecim, Poland.

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Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#1 Jan 10, 2014
It's about time that Israel did this.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#2 Jan 10, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
It's about time that Israel did this.
Why?

>Today, despite worldwide criticism of how it handles Palestinian demands for statehood, Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights. Gays serve openly in Israel's military and parliament. The Supreme Court grants a variety of family rights such as inheritance and survivors' benefits. Gays, lesbians and a transsexual are among the country's most popular musicians and actors.<

They aren't stringing them up on cherry pickers like Iran. They weren't targeted for extermination like the Jews. It's about time? For what? Again, "Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights."

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#3 Jan 10, 2014
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
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Why?
>Today, despite worldwide criticism of how it handles Palestinian demands for statehood, Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights. Gays serve openly in Israel's military and parliament. The Supreme Court grants a variety of family rights such as inheritance and survivors' benefits. Gays, lesbians and a transsexual are among the country's most popular musicians and actors.<
They aren't stringing them up on cherry pickers like Iran. They weren't targeted for extermination like the Jews. It's about time? For what? Again, "Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights."
As a remembrance that the holocaust involved not only Jew and that others should be remembered. As a secular and non-zionist Jew, I get very disgusted with the right-wing "Netanyahoos" in Israel who used gentile holocaust guilt and the concept the the holocaust only applies to the Nazi one in order to gain support from western countries.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#4 Jan 10, 2014
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
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Why?

They aren't stringing them up on cherry pickers like Iran. They weren't targeted for extermination like the Jews. It's about time? For what? Again, "Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights."
I don't necessarily agree with the first poster who said it was about time, but I also think you need to check up on the issue of homosexuality in Nazi Germany. There was outright persecution of gays and lesbians, and many of them died as a result. I don't know if the aim was one of extermination, but persecution was widespread.

Insofar as a memorial to the victims, I believe it is more the duty of the global gay community to do that. Although I don't object to someone else doing it.
Eleanor

Vernon Hills, IL

#5 Jan 10, 2014
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why?
>Today, despite worldwide criticism of how it handles Palestinian demands for statehood, Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights. Gays serve openly in Israel's military and parliament. The Supreme Court grants a variety of family rights such as inheritance and survivors' benefits. Gays, lesbians and a transsexual are among the country's most popular musicians and actors.<
They aren't stringing them up on cherry pickers like Iran. They weren't targeted for extermination like the Jews. It's about time? For what? Again, "Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights."
Pssst. Jews AND Homosexuals were targeted during the Nazi holocaust.

Jews had the STAR and homosexuals had the TRIANGLE.

'tis TRUE !!
qwerty26

Rehoboth Beach, DE

#7 Jan 10, 2014
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
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Why?
>...They aren't stringing them up on cherry pickers like Iran. They weren't targeted for extermination like the Jews. It's about time? For what? Again, "Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights."
You ought to check your history before making such blatantly false statements.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#8 Jan 10, 2014
qwerty26 wrote:
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You ought to check your history before making such blatantly false statements.
Just quoting from the article, Zipper-Head. Did you read it?

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#9 Jan 10, 2014
Eleanor wrote:
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Pssst. Jews AND Homosexuals were targeted during the Nazi holocaust.
Jews had the STAR and homosexuals had the TRIANGLE.
'tis TRUE !!
Did you read the article, World News Lady? They were NOT targeted for extermination as the Jews were. You fcuken people don't read the thread you're spewing your venom in?

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#10 Jan 10, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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I don't necessarily agree with the first poster who said it was about time,
That's all I was talking about. "About time". A lot of people died and for many reasons. ONLY the Jews were targeted for extermination. I mean. I didn't write the article. Just commented on it.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#11 Jan 10, 2014
Gay people were not targeted for extermination, as were the Jews and the Roma, but they were targeted for brutal persecution and many did in fact die, thousands of others were sterilized and subject to imprisonment. Homophile organizations were banned, works on homosexuality banned and burned, the Hirschfeld Institute, the largest single repository of the early research that was done on homosexuality, was looted and its contents torched. Gay men in particular were subject to being rounded up and sent to concentration camps in the occupied countries.

From the turn of the century to the early 1930's, other than the first world war, the depression and the hyperinflation, Germany was the place to be if you were homosexual . Berlin had a large open community and there were smaller ones in every major city. Proposals had even been made to secure the rights of homophiles, including talk of repeal of Paragraph 175. Adolf and his merry band didn't start out as dangerous homophobes, but they became ones damn quick when it suited them. What had been thriving communities at the beginning of the 1930's were basically non-existent in Germany even before the war started. Other early communities of open homosexuals in Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark and France also vanished during the war years. The brutal repression which followed should never be forgotten. It is unknown how many perished as a result, but the accepted estimate for the number to die in just the camps is at least 10,000 and an uncountable number of others To say that these victims shouldn't be remembered as part of the holocaust is not acceptable.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#12 Jan 11, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Gay people were not targeted for extermination, as were the Jews and the Roma, but they were targeted for brutal persecution and many did in fact die, thousands of others were sterilized and subject to imprisonment. Homophile organizations were banned, works on homosexuality banned and burned, the Hirschfeld Institute, the largest single repository of the early research that was done on homosexuality, was looted and its contents torched. Gay men in particular were subject to being rounded up and sent to concentration camps in the occupied countries.
From the turn of the century to the early 1930's, other than the first world war, the depression and the hyperinflation, Germany was the place to be if you were homosexual . Berlin had a large open community and there were smaller ones in every major city. Proposals had even been made to secure the rights of homophiles, including talk of repeal of Paragraph 175. Adolf and his merry band didn't start out as dangerous homophobes, but they became ones damn quick when it suited them. What had been thriving communities at the beginning of the 1930's were basically non-existent in Germany even before the war started. Other early communities of open homosexuals in Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark and France also vanished during the war years. The brutal repression which followed should never be forgotten. It is unknown how many perished as a result, but the accepted estimate for the number to die in just the camps is at least 10,000 and an uncountable number of others To say that these victims shouldn't be remembered as part of the holocaust is not acceptable.
Excellent post. However, what makes gays "special" compared to "Other Nazi targets included communists, Slavs, gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses."? I'm getting weary of the gay communities thinking they need special treatment, like THEY are special people. Different? Yes. Special? No.
You Know It

Hockessin, DE

#13 Jan 11, 2014
Homosexuals ALWAYS want special treatment. They think they're owed it because they're mentally ill freaks.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#14 Jan 11, 2014
The Israeli government prefers monuments because they don't ask for monthly pensions. It considers survivors of atrocities to be a nuisance and unwanted mouth to feed, whether Palestinian, gay *or* jew.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/one-four...

> One-fourth of Israeli Holocaust survivors are poor
>
> Every fourth Holocaust survivor in Israel is poor, and one-third
> live alone – a few sobering statistics on International Holocaust
> Remembrance Day.
>
> According to the Foundation for the Benefit of Holocaust
> Victims in Israel, 87 percent of Holocaust survivors who
> request financial aid live on less than NIS 5,000 a month,
> while 58 percent live on NIS 3,000 or less. Meanwhile, 70
> percent of survivors who turn to the foundation cannot afford
> dental care, and 18 percent need financial aid to pay for
> eyeglasses.

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