Gay marriage debate's next front? Rec...

Gay marriage debate's next front? Reciprocity

There are 37 comments on the Manitowoc Herald Times Reporter story from Jun 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage debate's next front? Reciprocity. In it, Manitowoc Herald Times Reporter reports that:

A legal term for one state recognizing the policy and laws of another, reciprocity will prove central in the fast-approaching debate over whether the three-dozen states with bans on same-sex marriage will have to recognize those performed elsewhere.

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#21 Jun 29, 2013
dorky wrote:
YOU ARE SO RIGHT...
No need to shout. Sweetie, if you want the chicken you've been plucking to be a tax deduction, become a farmer, no one will ask the nature of your relationship and the costs associated with a working animal are a write-off. As to the rest of your little rant, you straight folk figured out how to work that system ages ago. There simply isn't enough of us to cost you near as much as it has cost us to have straight folk that fit your little example suckling at the public teat.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#22 Jun 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i'm sorry, you must be confusing homosexuals with the hillbillies you call your relatives.
your Caps Lock key appears to be engaged. to disengage it, power your computer down and await further instructions on the screen...
NEXT season ! "HILLBILLY HOMOSEXUALS" on MTV !:)(What hijinks will Billy Bob, Ned, and "Sally" cook up today ?!:))(hint: The 3 boys are mystified when they find a pair of "shoes").

:)

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#23 Jun 29, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>You're welcome. I've been talking this over with my lawyer since you brought it up. The biggest problems lie in the agencies and programs where the states are the intermediary and a couple isn't directly dealing with the feds. The place of residence booby trap was planted in welfare and any other program where the states get to determine your eligibility. The programs that the feds administer should be fairly safe.
I figure it will be a real headache at first. File jointly with federal, and then two "single" returns. But tax-wise it would benefit us, as he is a high-wage earner, and almost all of my income is tax-exempt (wise planning on my part many years ago). I pay no Federal tax now, so by combining we would bring down his taxable income.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#24 Jun 29, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't this just an essay? And opinion piece? Please provide links to the various court rulings on the subject.
Thanks.
No state but your own cares if you are married or who you are married to. The piece was written by a law professor. It's not 'just' an opinion piece.
Lilith

Seattle, WA

#25 Jun 29, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No state but your own cares if you are married or who you are married to. The piece was written by a law professor. It's not 'just' an opinion piece.
must suck knowing that piece by piece your losing.... aaaawh what a shame
Ravianna

Newport, OR

#26 Jun 29, 2013
"Gay" marriage does not exist and cannot exist.
Lilith

Seattle, WA

#27 Jun 29, 2013
Ravianna wrote:
"Gay" marriage does not exist and cannot exist.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwh what a shame but it does

Nexxxxxxxxxxxxt

unlike your fairytale god

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#28 Jun 29, 2013
Ravianna wrote:
"Gay" marriage does not exist and cannot exist.
Correct. There is only "marriage" regardless of the genders of the 2 parties in that marriage. Boy, you're a SMARTIE !:)
Hairy Hay Fever

Northampton, MA

#29 Jun 29, 2013
Fisting, depravity, and teaching such traits to young children. Now that's democratic, decadent, and subversive.

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/12/mass-teach...
Kinsey

New York, NY

#30 Jun 29, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
I have ALWAYS maintained that because of the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in Article IV of the U.S. Constitution, ALL states MUST legally recognize the legal acts of all other states. There are NO exceptions in that clause and there is certainly NO "GAY EXCEPTION" found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution, although our enemies would certainly like to see one there.
The last SCOTUS case I am aware of that dealt specifically with "Full Faith and Credit" clause was the General Motors case about 10 years back.
Many states currently don't honor Concealed Carry Permits from other states so don't hold your breath on gay marriages either.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#31 Jun 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I figure it will be a real headache at first. File jointly with federal, and then two "single" returns. But tax-wise it would benefit us, as he is a high-wage earner, and almost all of my income is tax-exempt (wise planning on my part many years ago). I pay no Federal tax now, so by combining we would bring down his taxable income.
I was finally able to do that over the last year with the sale of my business interests. I actually got my first tax refund in 30 years. It cost me an audit, but it was worth it. Didn't get one from the state, still owed them money, even with the Republicans in charge. Not next year though.

There's a lot top sort out and that list of 1100+ federal benefits available only to couples and spouses have differing eligibility requirements, so things are going to go boom for a while yet. Congress is going to have to act on some of this and that is going to be interesting.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#32 Jun 29, 2013
Kinsey wrote:
<quoted text>Many states currently don't honor Concealed Carry Permits from other states so don't hold your breath on gay marriages either.
Then what good is the "Full Faith and Credit" clause, and the "Supremacy" clause, if states are going to ignore those clauses in the U.S. Constitution, and the federal courts don't enforce them ?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#34 Jun 30, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
There simply isn't enough of us
If you go by the media it seems like gays are everywhere. Story after story, and half of the shows on television have gays in them. There are showing up in commercials in spite of the negative reactions. The good news, in reality you're right. I go out and signs of homosexual life are far and few between.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#35 Jun 30, 2013
Wondering wrote:
If you go by the media it seems like gays are everywhere. Story after story, and half of the shows on television have gays in them. There are showing up in commercials in spite of the negative reactions. The good news, in reality you're right. I go out and signs of homosexual life are far and few between.
We are everywhere dear, but that means our total numbers are spread pretty thin. I have a friend who is likely the only gay person in their "town", actually an unincorporated community of about 30 that only appears on MapQuest as a dirt road to nowhere about a mile from the church you have to look up in order to have any hope of ever finding Fact, Kansas.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#36 Jun 30, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>We are everywhere dear, but that means our total numbers are spread pretty thin. I have a friend who is likely the only gay person in their "town", actually an unincorporated community of about 30 that only appears on MapQuest as a dirt road to nowhere about a mile from the church you have to look up in order to have any hope of ever finding Fact, Kansas.
KANSAS: 947,000,000 square miles of WHEAT, and an average elevation of 7 feet.

Since: Mar 07

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#37 Jun 30, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No state but your own cares if you are married or who you are married to. The piece was written by a law professor. It's not 'just' an opinion piece.
Sorry, but it was an essay, not case law. Try again.

And, yes, states DO care who you re married to, if you are gay. Only gay folks can travel across the country, and be either married or unmarried in any given state they drive through.

And that's simply ridiculous. And we will work tirelessly to change it.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#38 Jun 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but it was an essay, not case law. Try again.
And, yes, states DO care who you re married to, if you are gay. Only gay folks can travel across the country, and be either married or unmarried in any given state they drive through.
And that's simply ridiculous. And we will work tirelessly to change it.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY..... SCOTUS WILL HAVE TO RULE IN THE FUTURE that ALL states MUST legally recognize ALL marriages performed in ALL other states, same-gender marriages or opposite gender marriages, notwithstanding any state's laws or constitutional amendments to the contrary, BECAUSE OF The U.S. Constitution's "Full Faith and Credit" clause AND The U.S. Constitution's "Supremacy" clause.

And I think that Loving v. Virginia (1967) is EXACTLY analogous to this.

(You may now feel free to nominate me to Chief Justice Of The United States.:))(Because I am ALWAYS Fair. And Balanced).

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