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COMMENTARY: Christianitya s new look on gays

There are 32 comments on the Religion News Service story from Jun 4, 2014, titled COMMENTARY: Christianitya s new look on gays. In it, Religion News Service reports that:

Could there be a future where most American Christians support same-sex relationships? If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support lifelong, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.

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vote no gay

Knoxville, TN

#1 Jun 6, 2014
Brownson wrote: "Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage."

This proves what we already know. Gay men have historically forced themselves on boys. It was never a natural relationship.
Todd

New York, NY

#2 Jun 7, 2014
vote no gay wrote:
Brownson wrote: "Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage."
This proves what we already know. Gay men have historically forced themselves on boys. It was never a natural relationship.
Very informative. Thanks for sharing!
Sinner

Ashburn, VA

#3 Jun 7, 2014
Christians think going to church once a week will get them into heaven lol thinking it will cover there backs. God kills millions in great flood and jesus died for his own sins "NOT YOURS!" Many christians murder claiming it was god's will but wasn't it god that gave the law "Thou shalt not kill" O Mighty Lord Lucifer thank you for showin us Love, Pain, Truth and Knowledge that god didn't want us too know.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#4 Jun 7, 2014
Even Christians can be guilty of deciding they know more than God. God knew about them long before they even lived and addressed them in 2 Peter 2.
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[d] the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[e] 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,[f] who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true:“A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and,“A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” "
For Amusement Only

Dalton, MA

#5 Jun 7, 2014
Sinner wrote:
Christians think going to church once a week will get them into heaven lol thinking it will cover there backs. God kills millions in great flood and jesus died for his own sins "NOT YOURS!" Many christians murder claiming it was god's will but wasn't it god that gave the law "Thou shalt not kill" O Mighty Lord Lucifer thank you for showin us Love, Pain, Truth and Knowledge that god didn't want us too know.
I'd hate to break this to ya, but there are 6 billion other people on this earth that are not Christian. You do realize this, don't you?
:o)
For Amusement Only

Dalton, MA

#6 Jun 7, 2014
vote no gay wrote:
Brownson wrote: "Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage."
This proves what we already know. Gay men have historically forced themselves on boys. It was never a natural relationship.
Informative. Thank you.

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#7 Jun 7, 2014
Sinner wrote:
Christians think going to church once a week will get them into heaven lol thinking it will cover there backs. God kills millions in great flood and jesus died for his own sins "NOT YOURS!" Many christians murder claiming it was god's will but wasn't it god that gave the law "Thou shalt not kill" O Mighty Lord Lucifer thank you for showin us Love, Pain, Truth and Knowledge that god didn't want us too know.
1. You are right that simply going to church does not make a person saved, as in going to heaven;
2. God killed who knows how many because He demands obedience. Also, some believe that those God killed in the flood were not only sinners, but also, the Nephilim, which are a hybrid race of people who were a cross between fallen angels and human women. In Genesis it states that fallen angels came down and had sex with human women. The main reason believed is because the fallen angels wanted to contaminate the gene pool and thereby interfere with God's plan to bring salvation through Jesus Christ. You will find many interesting videos on this subject;

3. Jesus did not died for His sins because He was and still is sinless. Jesus died form my sins and your sins regardless of whether we are straight or gay;

4. However, the Bible makes is clear that homosexuals and lesbians will not inherit the Kingdom of God, as in all will be cast into hell (the Lake of Fire). But homosexuals and lesbians who repent and follow and have faith in Jesus Christ and and be obedient will be forgiven and will therefore enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Salvation is available for those who are both gay and straight. However, both must repent from sexual immorality and trust in Jesus Christ and live a righteous life. It is impossible for a homosexual or lesbian to be Christian. All who practice sexual immorality are going to hell.
Sinner

Ashburn, VA

#8 Jun 8, 2014
God or Jesus has no place on this earth to tell anyone what to do, if jesus came back i will kill him and place him on upside down cross and spit on him, looking up to paradise i would take flight with my beautiful black wing and march into paradise with my mind set on murderin the creator

Since: Mar 07

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#9 Jun 8, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
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4. However, the Bible makes is clear that homosexuals and lesbians will not inherit the Kingdom of God, as in all will be cast into hell (the Lake of Fire).........
I've read the Bible many many times, and I have NEVER seen such a message. As a matter of fact, the Bible never even mentions people who can only be attracted to the same gender. That's because God doesn't single us out, and we are included in all His promises.

If you can find ONE line of Scripture used against gay people that cannot logically apply to ANY sexual orientation, list it here.

Good luck on that one. Being gay is not a chosen behavior, it is a natural trait for some folks. Natural traits are not condemned by God - He CREATED them. It's all about what we do with what we are blessed with, and gay folks can make all the same choices, good and bad, about what they do with their lives.

Since: Mar 07

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#10 Jun 8, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You are right that simply going to church does not make a person saved, as in going to heaven;
2. God killed who knows how many because He demands obedience.........
It's funny, but sad.

In our country we would rise up and demand the death penalty for any mass murderer, and yet you worship one as Lord God. And the breeding angels thing is never mentioned as one of the causes of the flood.

Nice way to re-write the Book.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#11 Jun 8, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You are right that simply going to church does not make a person saved, as in going to heaven;
2. God killed who knows how many because He demands obedience. Also, some believe that those God killed in the flood were not only sinners, but also, the Nephilim, which are a hybrid race of people who were a cross between fallen angels and human women. In Genesis it states that fallen angels came down and had sex with human women. The main reason believed is because the fallen angels wanted to contaminate the gene pool and thereby interfere with God's plan to bring salvation through Jesus Christ. You will find many interesting videos on this subject;
3. Jesus did not died for His sins because He was and still is sinless. Jesus died form my sins and your sins regardless of whether we are straight or gay;
4. However, the Bible makes is clear that homosexuals and lesbians will not inherit the Kingdom of God, as in all will be cast into hell (the Lake of Fire). But homosexuals and lesbians who repent and follow and have faith in Jesus Christ and and be obedient will be forgiven and will therefore enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Salvation is available for those who are both gay and straight. However, both must repent from sexual immorality and trust in Jesus Christ and live a righteous life. It is impossible for a homosexual or lesbian to be Christian. All who practice sexual immorality are going to hell.
You're an evangelical fundamentalist reading from a post-1952 evangelical fundamentalist copyrighted bible
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We're Christians (not fundies) and our Bible does not contain the following words:
1. homosexual
2. sodomy
3. sex
4. trinity
5. savior
6. salvation
7. Christianity
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Jun 8, 2014
vote no gay wrote:
Brownson wrote: "Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage."
This proves what we already know. Gay men have historically forced themselves on boys. It was never a natural relationship.
Gay diaper babies chase after men too; sugar
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Perhaps you don't know this because you're too fast for them to catch you
Roy

New York, NY

#13 Jun 8, 2014
Quest wrote:
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gay folks can make all the same choices, good and bad, about what they do with their lives.
I agree. They made a bad choice to be gay. Now they should make a good choice to be normal (straight). It's all about choices.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Jun 8, 2014
Explain your choice as to posting on the gay threads on a daily basis, Roy1. What is your purpose? What have you accomplished in over six years except a trove of username/locations?

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#15 Jun 8, 2014
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read the Bible many many times, and I have NEVER seen such a message. As a matter of fact, the Bible never even mentions people who can only be attracted to the same gender. That's because God doesn't single us out, and we are included in all His promises.
If you can find ONE line of Scripture used against gay people that cannot logically apply to ANY sexual orientation, list it here.
Good luck on that one. Being gay is not a chosen behavior, it is a natural trait for some folks. Natural traits are not condemned by God - He CREATED them. It's all about what we do with what we are blessed with, and gay folks can make all the same choices, good and bad, about what they do with their lives.
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 5
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:9-11

Moreover, sex outside of marriage is condemned as fornication, and all who practice fornication will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Also, in Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus makes it clear that God created heterosexual marriage only--that is, for a male and female only. Therefore, the only proper sexual relationship that God recognizes is one that is within a heterosexual marriage relationship, which means that homosexual sex is not only fornication, but also, it is obviously sexual immorality. And since God does not and will not recognize same-sex marriage, homosexual sex within a same-sex marriage is still sexual immorality. What matters here is what God thinks, not what society accepts.

According to 1 Corinthians 5, the apostle Paul makes it clear that all who commit sexual immorality and do not repent must be expelled from the church. This means that heterosexuals who are having sex before marriage (fornication), those who commit adultery, those who commit incest (which is the main subject matter of 1 Cor. 5), those who commit bestiality, and homosexuals and lesbians, must be expelled from the church. God is looking for a holy people, which means those who are unrepentant sinners will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Therefore, homosexuals and lesbians who believe the Bible does not address the topic of gay relationships and condemns same are only fooling themselves and/or are being deceived by Satan. There are numerous examples of former homosexuals and lesbians who turned away from (as in repented) from the gay lifestyle and were transformed by the Holy Spirit into believers in Jesus Christ. Notice that according to 1 Corinthians 6:11, Paul says, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." Paul is talking about sexual immorality and is stating that many repented, including turned away from homosexuality. The idea that gays are born gay and can never change is a satanic deception.

The Bible makes it clear that there will not be one unrepentant homosexual or lesbian that will ever enter into the Kingdom of God. And just to make it clear, the same goes for fornicators and adulterers who are heterosexual. Do not be deceived! Those who practice sexual immorality will be judged and sent to the Lake of Fire.

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16 Jun 8, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an evangelical fundamentalist reading from a post-1952 evangelical fundamentalist copyrighted bible
.
We're Christians (not fundies) and our Bible does not contain the following words:
1. homosexual
2. sodomy
3. sex
4. trinity
5. savior
6. salvation
7. Christianity
But the Bible clearly addresses sexual immorality and homosexuality is included within the confines of being sexually immoral. Moreover, the meaning of sexual immorality during the time the text of the Bible were written did not change from what the Hebrew Scriptures condemn as sexually immoral. This means, once again, that homosexuality was not suddenly deemed acceptable by Jesus Christ and thereafter His followers. It's interesting how Bible haters like to quote the violent verses of the Hebrew Scriptures in order to condemn the Bible, yet have no problem totally ignoring the condemnations of homosexuality that are also in the Hebrew Scriptures. In other words, these individuals only want to connect the Hebrew Scriptures to Christianity when its convenient in order to promote their perverted views. Notice that there is no historical evidence that Jews or Christians accepted same-sex marriage and homosexuality. Yet, today, there are numerous liars and apologists that are desperately trying to convince everyone, including Christians, that homosexuality was never a consideration within the confines of sexual immorality spoken of in the New Testament and therefore Christians need and should accept that same as being okay with God. Clearly, this line of reasoning is straight from Satan.

Do not forget that all unrepentant homosexual and lesbians will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Take this warning to heart because upon death our fates are sealed and therefore there is no chance to repent afterwards. Your moment to seek truth and to repent is now!

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#17 Jun 8, 2014
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
It's funny, but sad.
In our country we would rise up and demand the death penalty for any mass murderer, and yet you worship one as Lord God. And the breeding angels thing is never mentioned as one of the causes of the flood.
Nice way to re-write the Book.
The "one" you speak of, if he exists (which He does), can do anything he wishes--including killing whomever he wishes--and there is nothing you or me or anyone can do about it. Moreover, to condemn the One who created you and question His judgments, no matter how deplorable to you, is just plain arrogant. To rebel against the One simply because you don't like what He as done is utter foolishness. When the One holds your destiny in his hands it is wise to search out the One, especially when the One offers you eternal life and peace for those who obey and love Him. The alternative is what will happen to all arrogant people who think they know better than the One--Eternal damnation!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#18 Jun 8, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
But the Bible clearly addresses sexual immorality and homosexuality is included within the confines of being sexually immoral. Moreover, the meaning of sexual immorality during the time the text of the Bible were written did not change from what the Hebrew Scriptures condemn as sexually immoral. This means, once again, that homosexuality was not suddenly deemed acceptable by Jesus Christ and thereafter His followers. It's interesting how Bible haters like to quote the violent verses of the Hebrew Scriptures in order to condemn the Bible, yet have no problem totally ignoring the condemnations of homosexuality that are also in the Hebrew Scriptures. In other words, these individuals only want to connect the Hebrew Scriptures to Christianity when its convenient in order to promote their perverted views. Notice that there is no historical evidence that Jews or Christians accepted same-sex marriage and homosexuality. Yet, today, there are numerous liars and apologists that are desperately trying to convince everyone, including Christians, that homosexuality was never a consideration within the confines of sexual immorality spoken of in the New Testament and therefore Christians need and should accept that same as being okay with God. Clearly, this line of reasoning is straight from Satan.
Do not forget that all unrepentant homosexual and lesbians will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Take this warning to heart because upon death our fates are sealed and therefore there is no chance to repent afterwards. Your moment to seek truth and to repent is now!
The word 'sex' was coined in 1929
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You 'bible' is a fake
.
Get a refund
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#19 Jun 8, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 5
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:9-11
Moreover, sex outside of marriage is condemned as fornication, and all who practice fornication will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Also, in Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus makes it clear that God created heterosexual marriage only--that is, for a male and female only. Therefore, the only proper sexual relationship that God recognizes is one that is within a heterosexual marriage relationship, which means that homosexual sex is not only fornication, but also, it is obviously sexual immorality. And since God does not and will not recognize same-sex marriage, homosexual sex within a same-sex marriage is still sexual immorality. What matters here is what God thinks, not what society accepts.
According to 1 Corinthians 5, the apostle Paul makes it clear that all who commit sexual immorality and do not repent must be expelled from the church. This means that heterosexuals who are having sex before marriage (fornication), those who commit adultery, those who commit incest (which is the main subject matter of 1 Cor. 5), those who commit bestiality, and homosexuals and lesbians, must be expelled from the church. God is looking for a holy people, which means those who are unrepentant sinners will never inherit the Kingdom of God. Therefore, homosexuals and lesbians who believe the Bible does not address the topic of gay relationships and condemns same are only fooling themselves and/or are being deceived by Satan. There are numerous examples of former homosexuals and lesbians who turned away from (as in repented) from the gay lifestyle and were transformed by the Holy Spirit into believers in Jesus Christ. Notice that according to 1 Corinthians 6:11, Paul says, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." Paul is talking about sexual immorality and is stating that many repented, including turned away from homosexuality. The idea that gays are born gay and can never change is a satanic deception.
The Bible makes it clear that there will not be one unrepentant homosexual or lesbian that will ever enter into the Kingdom of God. And just to make it clear, the same goes for fornicators and adulterers who are heterosexual. Do not be deceived! Those who practice sexual immorality will be judged and sent to the Lake of Fire.
Malarkey!
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GOD trumps Paul; and here is what GOD says:
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Only gay men will make it to heaven
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They will only be redeemed from among men, and they have to be the first fruits
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Men who have sex with women won't get in
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++++++++++
Revelation 14:1> And I looked, and loe, a Lambe stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundreth fourty and foure thousand, hauing his Fathers Name written in their foreheads.
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Revelation 14:2> And I heard a voice from heauen, as the voice of many waters, and as the voyce of a great thunder: and I heard the voyce of harpers, harping with their harpes.
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Revelation 14:3> And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the foure beasts, and the Elders, and no man could learne that song, but the hundreth and fourtie and foure thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
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Revelation 14:4> These are they which were not defiled with women: for they are virgines: These are they which follow the Lambe whithersoeuer hee goeth: These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits vnto God, and to the Lambe.
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Revelation 14:5> And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
++++++++++
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So it behooves all you self-appointed orgasm police to stop trying to get us gay guys to defile ourselves with women
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YOU will cause us to lose our ticket for the trolley ride to glory
.
So butt out

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#20 Jun 8, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Malarkey!
.
GOD trumps Paul; and here is what GOD says:
.
Only gay men will make it to heaven
.
They will only be redeemed from among men, and they have to be the first fruits
.
Men who have sex with women won't get in
.
++++++++++
Revelation 14:1> And I looked, and loe, a Lambe stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundreth fourty and foure thousand, hauing his Fathers Name written in their foreheads.
.
Revelation 14:2> And I heard a voice from heauen, as the voice of many waters, and as the voyce of a great thunder: and I heard the voyce of harpers, harping with their harpes.
.
Revelation 14:3> And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the foure beasts, and the Elders, and no man could learne that song, but the hundreth and fourtie and foure thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
.
Revelation 14:4> These are they which were not defiled with women: for they are virgines: These are they which follow the Lambe whithersoeuer hee goeth: These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits vnto God, and to the Lambe.
.
Revelation 14:5> And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
++++++++++
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So it behooves all you self-appointed orgasm police to stop trying to get us gay guys to defile ourselves with women
.
YOU will cause us to lose our ticket for the trolley ride to glory
.
So butt out
If you think that verse 4, which states that the 144,000 will be virgins refers to homosexuals, then you are simply living in a dream world. Is it possible that a heterosexual boys or men can be virgins? Of course, particularly if they are still young.

Moreover, the word "virgin" refers to someone who has never had sex. Men having sex with other men eliminates the prospect that the virgins are homosexual men. Further, both Revelation 21:8 and Revelation 22:15 make it clear that those who practice sexual immorality, such as fornication, incest, adultery, bestiality, homosexuality, and lesbianism, will be condemned by God. Clearly, God would never chose those He will condemn, including homosexuals and lesbians.

Make no mistake, homosexuals who do not repent and turn to Jesus Christ will never inherit the Kingdom of God.

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