Analysts: Gay marriage OK remains unlikely in Pa.

Nov 18, 2012 Full story: Pocono Record 41

Despite recent gains for gay marriage in a number of states, analysts say you needn't expect Pennsylvania to join their number anytime soon.

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Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#1 Nov 19, 2012
PA, OH, MO and IN not the sharpest tools in the shed

Since: Mar 07

United States

#2 Nov 19, 2012
It's sad. If I walk half a mile, I can marry in Maryland, but not here.

Since: Mar 09

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#3 Nov 19, 2012
Quest wrote:
It's sad. If I walk half a mile, I can marry in Maryland, but not here.
Do so. Then sue for FF&C recognition.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#5 Nov 19, 2012
I think civil unions are the way to go in Pennsylvania. It gets the conversation going in a less-threatening manner. Note that even Republicans in rural areas of the state support recognition of same-sex couples, although they will definitely not countenance marriage equality.

The rural problem is the same in all states, however. In Washington, the vote on Referendum 74 looked very much like the vote on 71: Seattle went for it in a big way, Spokane a little less so, and rural east rejected by margins of 70% or more. The vote in Maine went the same way with the southern coastal counties supporting but none of the inland or northern counties. Aroostook county rejected by 75%.

It will be much the same in Pennsylvania with Philadelphia and Pittsburgh supporting marriage equality while the rest of the state rejects. There will be a few other pockets of support like Allentown. But the two largest metropolitan areas have over 55% of the voters, and that's where support will come from.

President Obama's support will be a game-changer in Pennsylvania, as it clearly was in Maryland. With black opposition, marriage equality would be a non-starter in Philadelphia, as well.

That said, there is no mechanism in Pennsyslvania for popular votes on such issues. So the polls really don't matter: All that matters is who goes to Harrisburg. And in that regard, there may be a majority of equality-minded representatives from the large metropolitan areas, but these areas will also send several social conservatives and a bunch of cowards. The rest of the state will be almost uniformly conservative--both fiscally and socially. Positions are unlikely to change as quickly as they did in some New England states.

So I see the best way forward is to use civil unions as a stepping stone to full equality. As the politicians admit, full equality is inevitable but not visible on the horizon. So the best move is to win most of the rights quickly and to continue the conversation. If the only proposal put forward in Pennsylvania is marriage equality, I don't think the conversation will even start.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#6 Nov 19, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No law can ever make something homosexual a marriage.
No number of name changes can make make a troll from Pekin credible.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Nov 19, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
I think civil unions are the way to go in Pennsylvania. It gets the conversation going in a less-threatening manner. Note that even Republicans in rural areas of the state support recognition of same-sex couples, although they will definitely not countenance marriage equality.
The rural problem is the same in all states, however. In Washington, the vote on Referendum 74 looked very much like the vote on 71: Seattle went for it in a big way, Spokane a little less so, and rural east rejected by margins of 70% or more. The vote in Maine went the same way with the southern coastal counties supporting but none of the inland or northern counties. Aroostook county rejected by 75%.
It will be much the same in Pennsylvania with Philadelphia and Pittsburgh supporting marriage equality while the rest of the state rejects. There will be a few other pockets of support like Allentown. But the two largest metropolitan areas have over 55% of the voters, and that's where support will come from.
President Obama's support will be a game-changer in Pennsylvania, as it clearly was in Maryland. With black opposition, marriage equality would be a non-starter in Philadelphia, as well.
That said, there is no mechanism in Pennsyslvania for popular votes on such issues. So the polls really don't matter: All that matters is who goes to Harrisburg. And in that regard, there may be a majority of equality-minded representatives from the large metropolitan areas, but these areas will also send several social conservatives and a bunch of cowards. The rest of the state will be almost uniformly conservative--both fiscally and socially. Positions are unlikely to change as quickly as they did in some New England states.
So I see the best way forward is to use civil unions as a stepping stone to full equality. As the politicians admit, full equality is inevitable but not visible on the horizon. So the best move is to win most of the rights quickly and to continue the conversation. If the only proposal put forward in Pennsylvania is marriage equality, I don't think the conversation will even start.
Agree 100%.

Civil unions should be the first step in PA, like it was in most of the other states which now have marriage equality. Colorado should be doing the same.
KeepGitmoOpen

Allentown, PA

#8 Nov 19, 2012
Quest wrote:
It's sad. If I walk half a mile, I can marry in Maryland, but not here.
so move that 1/2 a mile and stop crying about it. Reason we have state rights. You dont like something here you can try to change it but when the bulk of the people disagree simple solution move.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Nov 19, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>so move that 1/2 a mile and stop crying about it. Reason we have state rights. You dont like something here you can try to change it but when the bulk of the people disagree simple solution move.
I guess that explains why blacks fled the south by the millions during the first half of the 20th century.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#10 Nov 20, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>so move that 1/2 a mile and stop crying about it. Reason we have state rights. You dont like something here you can try to change it but when the bulk of the people disagree simple solution move.
I'm assuming Quest lives in Pennsylvania that borders Maryland and it could be a economical reasons, Maryland has much higher tax base than Pennsylvania. Just sayin

Since: Mar 07

United States

#11 Nov 20, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Do so. Then sue for FF&C recognition.
If I had the resources, I would.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#12 Nov 20, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No law can ever make something homosexual a marriage.
"Somethings" don't marry.

People do, including gay people.

Now you are trying to dehumanize those you fear?

Since: Mar 07

United States

#13 Nov 20, 2012
disaster in the making wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm assuming Quest lives in Pennsylvania that borders Maryland and it could be a economical reasons, Maryland has much higher tax base than Pennsylvania. Just sayin
Actually, in part it's because because my wife's entire family lives in PA, and the whole family is incredibly supportive and close-knit. That's why we moved here in the first place, and didn't live in CA, where I come from.

But the real reason is that the children are doing well in their schools in PA. Uprooting the kids from their schoolsystem isn't an option, even if it is for something this important.

The kids come first.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#14 Nov 20, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>so move that 1/2 a mile and stop crying about it. Reason we have state rights. You dont like something here you can try to change it but when the bulk of the people disagree simple solution move.
I didn't cry about anything, I simply commented on it.

And, are you going to pay the movers for me? How about the difference between what my house would bring, and what I would have to pay in Maryland? How about the increased taxes? Will you find me a job?

There is NO reason that a person should have to move to another state just to obtain equal protection under the law. It doesn't matter what the majority thinks about it, especially if it doesn't affect them in ANY way.

That's why we will continue to fight the irrational discrimination, in every single state.

Learn to deal with it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Nov 20, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, in part it's because because my wife's entire family lives in PA, and the whole family is incredibly supportive and close-knit. That's why we moved here in the first place, and didn't live in CA, where I come from.
But the real reason is that the children are doing well in their schools in PA. Uprooting the kids from their schoolsystem isn't an option, even if it is for something this important.
The kids come first.
Just wait until DOMA is overturned next year, then go get married. The feds will have to recognize your marriage regardless of what the state does.
KeepGitmoOpen

Allentown, PA

#16 Nov 20, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't cry about anything, I simply commented on it.
And, are you going to pay the movers for me? How about the difference between what my house would bring, and what I would have to pay in Maryland? How about the increased taxes? Will you find me a job?
There is NO reason that a person should have to move to another state just to obtain equal protection under the law. It doesn't matter what the majority thinks about it, especially if it doesn't affect them in ANY way.
That's why we will continue to fight the irrational discrimination, in every single state.
Learn to deal with it.
So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL
What equal protection?? Maybe gay marriage is a reason for higher taxes in Maryland.
No one in PA is stopping you for loving and being intimatewith your significant other.
If you wanted to live in a state that approves gay marriage you have plenty of choices, and you can look for a job.

Since: Oct 12

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#17 Nov 20, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL
What equal protection?? Maybe gay marriage is a reason for higher taxes in Maryland.
No one in PA is stopping you for loving and being intimatewith your significant other.
If you wanted to live in a state that approves gay marriage you have plenty of choices, and you can look for a job.
You're an idiot.

Now, because you are an idiot, should the government force you to move across the country, uproot your family, find new housing and a new job, essentially start a new life so that you can get access to basic rights like benefits coverage and visitation rights?

No. That would be discriminatory. Equal protection for all, even idiots. It's in the constitution.

Since: Oct 12

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#18 Nov 20, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL
What equal protection?? Maybe gay marriage is a reason for higher taxes in Maryland.
No one in PA is stopping you for loving and being intimatewith your significant other.
If you wanted to live in a state that approves gay marriage you have plenty of choices, and you can look for a job.
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:

"What equal protection??"

I'm glad you asked.

Civil Marriage: 1138 rights and responsibilities

Civil Union: 171 rights and responsibilities.

Do you have a calculator nearby?

Since: Oct 12

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#19 Nov 20, 2012
KeepGitmoOpen wrote:
<quoted text>So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL
What equal protection?? Maybe gay marriage is a reason for higher taxes in Maryland.
No one in PA is stopping you for loving and being intimatewith your significant other.
If you wanted to live in a state that approves gay marriage you have plenty of choices, and you can look for a job.
"So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL"

Fighting for freedom and equality is not pushing your beliefs. It's the respect any American is guaranteed by the Constitution. Get it now?
KeepGitmoOpen

Allentown, PA

#20 Nov 20, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an idiot.
Now, because you are an idiot, should the government force you to move across the country, uproot your family, find new housing and a new job, essentially start a new life so that you can get access to basic rights like benefits coverage and visitation rights?
No. That would be discriminatory. Equal protection for all, even idiots. It's in the constitution.
]Its called state rights nitwit ever hear of it? itís in the constitution. Actually the ONLY reason some states agreed to the constitution Gay rights isnít. If gays were open and out and wanted to be married when the constitution was written you better believe that would of been in the constitution to outlaw that.
You have equal protection if not call the police. Typical you want to push your beliefs on the mass of society who disagrees but when someone has a different view you are so close minded.

Sounds like you are a communist talking all of this gov forcing you to do this or that, you must be an Obama supporter.

Bottom line is you libs are all hypocrites its okay for YOU to push your beilfs on someone, but when they say they say the opposite you cry foul and they are close minded lol. Do you realize how big of a hypocrite you are???

I also never said I was for or against it I just find it hilarious how big hypocrites you people are.

MY LTCF should be recongnized everywhere! guess what its not becuase of state rights. Deal with it.
KeepGitmoOpen

Allentown, PA

#21 Nov 20, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
<quoted text>
"So you are okay with forcing your beliefs on people but not okay for them to force theirs on you.....LOL"
Fighting for freedom and equality is not pushing your beliefs. It's the respect any American is guaranteed by the Constitution. Get it now?
Did you actaully read anything? first thing i said is try to change it dummy. If not you can move.

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