Affordable housing for gay seniors opens in Pa.

Jan 13, 2014 Full story: WOI 172

No matter that he's 70 years old. Zeft had landed a coveted spot in a new affordable housing complex for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender seniors in the heart of downtown Philadelphia.

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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Jan 13, 2014
The whole world is my gayborhood; sugar
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Anyone who doesn't like it can just kiss off
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Sucks to be them

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#6 Jan 14, 2014
It's really nice to see this finally happening. Too much in the gay media focuses on the wealthy when in fact most gay people are not wealthy.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7 Jan 14, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
It's really nice to see this finally happening. Too much in the gay media focuses on the wealthy when in fact most gay people are not wealthy.
One of the great myths that, unfortunately, our own community encourages. The wealthy, powerful fag myth is being used against us the same way it was used against the Jews.

Not only does it contribute to discrimination, but it causes real problems of the community to be overlooked. And it also leaves the average gay person feeling left out, especially as they come of age in the poor ghetto.

The popular view of the gay community is wealthy, buff 20-somethings traveling the party circuit, and super-rich 50-somethings supporting them. Many groups encourage this myth, thinking that it makes our community more desirable for marketers. It's quite destructive.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#8 Jan 14, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
Not only does it contribute to discrimination, but it causes real problems of the community to be overlooked.
Discrimination is providing subsidized housing to only GLBT seniors.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#9 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Discrimination is providing subsidized housing to only GLBT seniors.
And if all the other senior housing did not discriminate, we would have no need for it. However, they do and for that reason we will do all we can to open more.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#10 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Discrimination is providing subsidized housing to only GLBT seniors.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the discrimination gay seniors have suffered in mainstream institutions. But there is no discrimination. There is no screening based on sexual orientation.

The tenants self-select, although location and marketing are oriented to gays. It's just like if you opened affordable housing in Southie, you'd probably have a lot of Irish tenants. They've also worked with nearby institutions to assure that the gay seniors have a support system nearby, making it especially attractive for gay seniors.

It might just turn out that old trolls like yourself don't want to live there.
Advice from Nun Atol

Alpharetta, GA

#11 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Discrimination is providing subsidized housing to only GLBT seniors.
If we provided low-cost housing for over-the-hill TOPIX trolls; would you come live in it?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#12 Jan 14, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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And if all the other senior housing did not discriminate, we would have no need for it. However, they do and for that reason we will do all we can to open more.
Yes, they do discriminate, you have to be 55 or older. Glad to see you people working to emphasize that you are different and not equal.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#13 Jan 14, 2014
Advice from Nun Atol wrote:
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If we provided low-cost housing for over-the-hill TOPIX trolls; would you come live in it?
I have no need. That housing should be available to anyone that meets the income requirements.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#14 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes, they do discriminate, you have to be 55 or older. Glad to see you people working to emphasize that you are different and not equal.
Coming from you, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Jan 14, 2014
It's something like a $20 million dollar project with not very many total units, of which only about six are for low income seniors, anyway.

That's not cost effective; that's yet another ego trip for local gay impresario, Mark Segal, imo.
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes, they do discriminate, you have to be 55 or older. Glad to see you people working to emphasize that you are different and not equal.
Since you're complaining here about senior housing stock and retirement developments and assisted living facilities all over the country we can avoid calling you a stupid bigot on the basis of this one post, you stupid bigot.
Vernon

Iceland

#17 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Discrimination is providing subsidized housing to only GLBT seniors.
Yup, these old queens get to live in a fancy upscale place for pennies while normal decent senior citizens have to live in some stinking broken down roach infested building.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#18 Jan 14, 2014
Vernon wrote:
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Yup, these old queens get to live in a fancy upscale place for pennies while normal decent senior citizens have to live in some stinking broken down roach infested building.
Lookie here folks.....another hateful bigot crying "victim." Want me to buy you a box of Kleenex?
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jan 14, 2014
Vernon wrote:
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Yup, these old queens get to live in a fancy upscale place for pennies while normal decent senior citizens have to live in some stinking broken down roach infested building.
Leave your mother's condemned trailer home out of this discussion.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#20 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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I have no need. That housing should be available to anyone that meets the income requirements.
It is. Their marketing materials are quite clear that they support equal opportunity housing.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#21 Jan 14, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes, they do discriminate, you have to be 55 or older. Glad to see you people working to emphasize that you are different and not equal.
You think we're all over 55? Not yet.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#22 Jan 14, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
It's something like a $20 million dollar project with not very many total units, of which only about six are for low income seniors, anyway.
That's not cost effective; that's yet another ego trip for local gay impresario, Mark Segal, imo.
I'm not sure where you got that information. I found that there were 54 low-income units. As far as I can tell, there is no operating subsidy, but the construction costs were paid with extensive tax credits. There is also some retail space, so that might subsidize operations.

What you describe is generally considered mixed-income housing. I'm somewhat familiar with that in Massachusetts where the full-rent units subsidize the low-rent units. The developers usually make these concessions in return for the city or state's help acquiring and developing the site. There are not necessarily any direct subsidies involved.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#23 Jan 14, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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It is. Their marketing materials are quite clear that they support equal opportunity housing.
Then the original article headline is inaccurate, that's good.
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#24 Jan 14, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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I'm not sure where you got that information. I found that there were 54 low-income units. As far as I can tell, there is no operating subsidy, but the construction costs were paid with extensive tax credits. There is also some retail space, so that might subsidize operations.
What you describe is generally considered mixed-income housing. I'm somewhat familiar with that in Massachusetts where the full-rent units subsidize the low-rent units. The developers usually make these concessions in return for the city or state's help acquiring and developing the site. There are not necessarily any direct subsidies involved.
How telling you don't know where any in depth information about the project is to be found. Think about that.

First, 54 (or 56) units is more than I remembered. And it's true some of my other information might be approximate, because I don't have the application forms and income guidelines and rents in front of me. For example, maybe the total cost of the building was more than the $20 million I said.

Not all of those units are set aside for what I consider low income residents. OTOH, maybe every resident in the place is what Mark Segal considers low income.

About six or seven of the units are subsidized enough so that the yearly income guidelines are around 14k. They pay a rent which is well below market rate, and I can't remember, but maybe around 800.00 per month for small, modern studios.(HIV poz folks who can negotiate the system and who got grandfathered in can get their rents, or even this subsidized rent we're talking about here, largely paid for by the government.)

Then I believe there are two other tiers of income guidelines and corresponding rents. They might technically be subsidized, might technically be below market rate, but they are not what any low income person would call low income housing.

There are only about six or seven of those units, as I said.

The building is in a desirable location in Center City/the Gayborhood for a senior glbt person, and the building looks modern. It is no architectural or interior design triumph, but it is not bad looking inside or out. It is a lot of money to house very few low income seniors. There will be people (developers, realtors, construction concerns) profiting from the public coffers here, as always. That's a given.

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