Paul Ryan promises hate group that he'll fight equality

There are 20 comments on the www.wisconsingazette.com story from Oct 9, 2012, titled Paul Ryan promises hate group that he'll fight equality. In it, www.wisconsingazette.com reports that:

In a recent interview with Focus on the Family president Jim Daly, Paul Ryan reassured the anti-gay hate group that a Romney-Ryan administration will fiercely oppose gay rights.

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“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#706 Oct 19, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>EVERY peer reviewed study on the subject proves that therapy is effective. Homosexuals can and do change. There is no APA study to the contrary.
For a majority of its history, the APA considered homosexuality a developmental disorder. Politics, not science, cause them to reclassify it. Tens of thousands of APA members still provide scientifically proven therapy to homosexuals who want to change. It is available in every city in America.
EVERY name you use is false DAVID MOORE of PEKIN, ILLINOIS. When will you stop LYING? You can change and admit to being DAVID MOORE.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#707 Oct 19, 2012
I'm gay. It would be totally unnatural (insane) for me to have sex wityh a woman--it doesn't appeal to me and I would have to spend the whole time pretending I was with a man. Why would I want that? Why even bother?

When yo are running on intellectual "empty", pretend that "everyone knows" what you can't prove.
NoQ wrote:
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Even though they don't acknowledge the fact that HOMOsexuality is a mental disorder, everyone knows it is. A man that su;cks another mans dick can't be sane or normal.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#708 Oct 19, 2012
Change your spiritual destiny in 7 minutes:
www.scribd.com/doc/106586592/Eternal ....

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#709 Oct 19, 2012
As I recall, the "liberal" stand on kent state was that armed guards should not have been shooting wildly into a crowd of unarmed protesters and onlookers. What's the conservative stance--shoot now and let god sort it out?

They were "keen" to transform the stance on homosexuality because study after study showed NO mental illness in regard to homosexuality.
Wondering wrote:
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There were supposed to be no gay members. They did their usual lying to become members. Activism, in and out of the APA played a bigger role than 'science' in removing homosexuality.
"The young turks were all psychiatrists, all members of the APA and all liberal-minded easterners who had decided to reform the American Psychiatric Association from the inside. Specifically they had decided to replace all the grey-haired conservatives who ran the organization with a new breed of psychiatrist; more sensitive to the social issues of the day with liberal opinions on Kent State, Vietnam, feminism. They figured that once they got this new breed into office they could fundamentally transform American psychiatry. And one of the things this group was keen to transform was American psychiatry’s approach to homosexuality."
http://www.mindofmodernity.com/not-sick-the-1...

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#710 Oct 19, 2012
Little Blue Alien wrote:
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Physically all males are brothers and physically all females are sisters.
Plumbing 101
So if a man marries a woman, he's marrying his sister?

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#711 Oct 19, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>EVERY peer reviewed study on the subject proves that therapy is effective. Homosexuals can and do change. There is no APA study to the contrary.
For a majority of its history, the APA considered homosexuality a developmental disorder. Politics, not science, cause them to reclassify it. Tens of thousands of APA members still provide scientifically proven therapy to homosexuals who want to change. It is available in every city in America.
You must be confusing reality with the mess that is your mind. See, because even the CEO of Exodus International admitted that there is a 99.9% failure rate of conversion. It has been proven time and time again that it is only harmful to those targeted, that it doesn't work on top of that.

You are quite insane, the other point you tried to make is invalid as well, and everyone can see that.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#712 Oct 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
I'm still waiting for you to list the criteria for mental illness and how homosexuality applies to them.
It doesn't matter what it's classified as, gay is gay. There's a lot wrong with people being sexually attracted to members of the same sex. Do you have to be a lawyer to know assaulting robbing someone is wrong? Do you have to be a certified chef to know your food is bad? Do you need to be a doctor to know you have a cold?
I'm not a psychiatrist but when I see something wrong, I know it.

Then there's all that goes along with being gay. According to gays, they have a higher suicide rate and we know that mentally stable people don't do that. According to the gay activist approach to bullying in schools, we know that only LGBT people are bullied, don't we? That has to be traumatic. We know that gays, especially men, are at a much higher risk for contracting HIV, that has to be troubling.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#713 Oct 19, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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At the time of the vote there were 17,905 members eligible to vote.
Number of members that voted: 10,555
Number of members that “Abstained”: 367
Number of “ No” votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a mental disorder: 3,810
Number of “Yes” votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a mental disorder: 5,854
32% of the 'entire' APA voted to remove it, not 58%. Just barely one third.
So you're saying that the 5'854 people in the APA that voted are gay...yeah, like that's realistic.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#714 Oct 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
1. As I recall, the "liberal" stand on kent state was that armed guards should not have been shooting wildly into a crowd of unarmed protesters and onlookers. What's the conservative stance--shoot now and let god sort it out?
2. They were "keen" to transform the stance on homosexuality because study after study showed NO mental illness in regard to homosexuality.
<quoted text>
1. Unrelated to homosexuality.
2. Only 32% of the APA mmembership voted to remove it, hardly "keen."
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#715 Oct 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
I'm gay. It would be totally unnatural (insane) for me to have sex wityh a woman--it doesn't appeal to me
Great job of helping to explain your disorder.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#716 Oct 19, 2012
And just like any other vote, those who choose NOT to vote are irrelevant. BTW--your numbers leave 524 votes unaccounted for.

Over half of the voting members struck down the listing in the DSM.
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of the vote there were 17,905 members eligible to vote.
Number of members that voted: 10,555
Number of members that “Abstained”: 367
Number of “ No” votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a mental disorder: 3,810
Number of “Yes” votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a mental disorder: 5,854
32% of the 'entire' APA voted to remove it, not 58%. Just barely one third.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#717 Oct 19, 2012
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're saying that the 5'854 people in the APA that voted are gay...yeah, like that's realistic.
Where did I say that? Are you lost? Shouldn't you be coloring with lides. If we put you and lides into an empty room, what do we have?
Answer: An empty room.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#718 Oct 19, 2012
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>At the time of the vote there were 17,905 members eligible to vote.
Number of members that voted: 10,555
Number of members that “Abstained”: 367
Number of “ No” votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a mental disorder: 3,810
Number of “Yes” votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a mental disorder: 5,854

32% of the 'entire' APA voted to remove it, not 58%. Just barely one third.
Those who chose not to vote can't be factored in. The general assembly means that everyone was giben the oppurtunity to vote, not just division 44. I obviously didn't mean that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER voted, but by your own numbers, about 5800 out of about 9600 votes were yes, meaning roughly 58% of those voting voted yes. Do the math.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#719 Oct 19, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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But if they don't pay taxes they aren't entitled to public school, police protection, fire protection, use of the roads, use of the libraries, and on and on. Your parents paid taxes and you didn't take advantage of the schools.
Sorry, you mistook me for yourself for a moment. See, I have facts to back me up. You have wild speculation. You didn't even respond properly, as always, because you didn't understand.

What I said was people should pay taxes for things that have a chance in partaking in. People should not pay taxes for things they have no chance to partake in.

Either way, your opinion is futile. Gay individuals are gaining equality and there's nothing you can do to stop that. You're panicking because soon, we'll have equality just like coloured people have now...it'll be one more battle that you're hate-filled side has lost.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#720 Oct 19, 2012
That doesn't even make sense. All males (exluding TG's) are the same gender; that isn't what familial relationships are about.
Little Blue Alien wrote:
<quoted text>
Physically all males are brothers and physically all females are sisters.
Plumbing 101

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#721 Oct 19, 2012
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you considered stand-up comedy?
Why, because I'm able to make a fool out of you by pointing out facts and leaving you desperate for a retort? I bet loads of people would come to see my show, I could have a stupid bigot every night to beat down with pure facts, of which they have none.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#722 Oct 19, 2012
Little Blue Alien wrote:
<quoted text>Physically all males are brothers and physically all females are sisters.
Plumbing 101

Physically, all makes are unique and all females are unique, even identical twins. Genetics 101. Sorry, but plumbing is about your sink.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#723 Oct 19, 2012
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't matter what it's classified as, gay is gay. There's a lot wrong with people being sexually attracted to members of the same sex. Do you have to be a lawyer to know assaulting robbing someone is wrong? Do you have to be a certified chef to know your food is bad? Do you need to be a doctor to know you have a cold?
I'm not a psychiatrist but when I see something wrong, I know it.
Then there's all that goes along with being gay. According to gays, they have a higher suicide rate and we know that mentally stable people don't do that. According to the gay activist approach to bullying in schools, we know that only LGBT people are bullied, don't we? That has to be traumatic. We know that gays, especially men, are at a much higher risk for contracting HIV, that has to be troubling.
Translation: "I have nothing so I'll dodge, backpedal, and yell about something else."

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#724 Oct 19, 2012
Li4es upon lies. There are plenty of studies showing that "reparative therapy" is not just useless but actually dangerous to the patient.

No "ex-gay" group has EVER proven it has changed orientation, and their therapists are not APA-sanctioned members. Many are not even state-licensed; they hide under the aegis of religious counseling.

Homosexuality was never listed as a developmental disorder--DD's are cognitive, not emotional.

Feel free to name some of these APA members trying to change gays; they are acting against professional ethics.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>EVERY peer reviewed study on the subject proves that therapy is effective. Homosexuals can and do change. There is no APA study to the contrary.
For a majority of its history, the APA considered homosexuality a developmental disorder. Politics, not science, cause them to reclassify it. Tens of thousands of APA members still provide scientifically proven therapy to homosexuals who want to change. It is available in every city in America.
ONTG

Carol Stream, IL

#725 Oct 19, 2012
lides wrote:
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I love when innocuous examples, like this, are offered as evidence of the great slippery slope; and I love them all the more so when they have been ruled upon in a court of law, and the decision goes against the point of view of the person citing the case.
Allowing a same sex civil ceremony to take place on the land of a church is hardly a violation of religious freedom. The couple did not want to use the church itself, and had they not asked permission and merely held the ceremony, it is likely that the church never would have known.
Do you have any examples that would constitute a breach of the free exercise of religion?
<quoted text>
Actually, anyone with a basic grasp of logic can see that civil and religious marriages are inherently separate. Religious marriage carries no legal rights or protections, and civil marriage can be obtained without any intention of having a church wedding. Any reasonable person could see that.
As for your assertion that the state would pursue religions as bigots for not allowing gay marriage, we already have plenty of examples that this simply wouldn’t be the case; most notably the attempts to curtail the hate speech of Westboro Baptist Church, or to stop Terry Jones from holding Burn a Koran day, all of which have failed. You see, the first amendment remains in tact, even if same sex marriage is allowed.
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Wow, this is really a trifecta. So, you believe that a fetus is a person and as such is entitled to life, but that person-hood can be legally suspended in cases of rape or incest? Why would a fetus be any less a person because of the circumstances of their conception?
Making conditions, like these, for abortion only point to the hypocrisy of the Republican position. It illustrates that they aren’t really anti-abortion, as they do allow it under certain circumstances; and that they hypocritically negate the right of the child to person-hood and life when the circumstances make it convenient. Such arguments actually weaken the Republicans anti-abortion arguments, and illustrate the flaws in the logic of their position.
You are only right on one thing in your whole diatribe- forcing a PRIVATE landowner to allow a same sex marriage to occur on their land is not a violation of their first amendment right of religious freedom. It is a violation of their fifth amendment property rights.

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