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California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases

There are 171 comments on the Advocate story from Aug 29, 2014, titled California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases. In it, Advocate reports that:

California will likely become the first state in the U.S. to officially bar people in court from using the "trans panic" or "gay panic" defense in court.

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Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#44 Aug 30, 2014
St Rick Saintpornum wrote:
"DOES ANYONE DOUBT THIS?
"WASHINGTON - Shock-pundit Ann Coulter dismayed her right-wing fans today...."
You're neither helpful nor witty. You're a nuisance.
Did you see?
https://www.facebook.com/bluenationreview/pho...
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup

Philadelphia, PA

#45 Aug 30, 2014
"Did you see?"

I don't chase down random urls to disgusting websites which are provided with no explanation of what they might be, and to assume I would is unthinking.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#46 Aug 30, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I agree that the circumstances should definitely be taken into consideration. And finding out the girl you're kissing has a penis is NEVER a circumstance to justify assault or murder. Even attempting to claim such a lame defense should be taken into consideration when the judge sentences the homophobic sexually insecure straight man to multiple decades in prison. How ironic he'll get all sorts of the same-sex attraction he supposedly abhors while in prison; he'll be "panicking" his ass off!
Interesting.

This is bad, not normal. "homophobic sexually insecure straight man" that gets pissed off because he was made a fool of.

This is normal, a person that was born male believes he isn't male. Does everything possible to change his identity to female, believes he's female, fools people into believing he's female, dupes interested guy into believing he's female, dates him, accepts gifts, gets the guy emotionally involved but in truth this guy is a guy with a penis, he is a walking lie to the straight guy.
This is normal, trans women that are attracted to women are straight. Both have vaginas.
This is normal, trans men that are attracted to men are straight. Both have penises.
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup

Philadelphia, PA

#47 Aug 30, 2014
"'homophobic sexually insecure straight man' that gets pissed off because he was made a fool of"

Such a sick individual was a fool, at best, long before any hotly and heavily imagined sexual scenario Wondering can obsess over came into play.

These homophobes are not merely ill, they are violently ill, as the present, homophobic case demonstrates.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#48 Aug 30, 2014
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup wrote:
"Did you see?"
I don't chase down random urls to disgusting websites which are provided with no explanation of what they might be, and to assume I would is unthinking.
Oh, it was just a joke on a political site and in any case, was in response to the previous poster (unless you and he are the same).
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup

Philadelphia, PA

#49 Aug 30, 2014
"(unless you and he are the same)"

How mystifying is the intelligence at work here.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#50 Aug 30, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Interesting.
This is bad, not normal. "homophobic sexually insecure straight man" that gets pissed off because he was made a fool of.
This is normal, a person that was born male believes he isn't male. Does everything possible to change his identity to female, believes he's female, fools people into believing he's female, dupes interested guy into believing he's female, dates him, accepts gifts, gets the guy emotionally involved but in truth this guy is a guy with a penis, he is a walking lie to the straight guy.
This is normal, trans women that are attracted to women are straight. Both have vaginas.
This is normal, trans men that are attracted to men are straight. Both have penises.
None of which is justification for assaulting or killing someone.

Anymore than finding out someone is black when you thought they were white.

You've lost this debate, as usual.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#51 Aug 30, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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None of which is justification for assaulting or killing someone.
Anymore than finding out someone is black when you thought they were white.
You've lost this debate, as usual.
A few things.
I didn't say it was justification, I said it happens. Reality.
Somehow I think you couldn't tell the difference between a black and a white person.
There was no debate to lose.
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup

Philadelphia, PA

#52 Aug 30, 2014
Wondering: "I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply."

That's clearly a justification, or is intended to be. Or more like an intended exoneration.

Poor Wondering is so driven to insanity by his (male) homosexual fixation that he doesn't know from one day to the next what hate, precisely, he has been spewing. A sure sign of approaching demise.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#53 Aug 30, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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A few things.
I didn't say it was justification, I said it happens. Reality.
Somehow I think you couldn't tell the difference between a black and a white person.
There was no debate to lose.
Yes, it happens. And this law would ensure the bigots can't use their fear & bigotry as an excuse to assault or kill someone.

Many blacks passed for white during the days of segregation & slavery.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#54 Aug 30, 2014
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup wrote:
.....Poor Wondering is so driven to insanity by his (male) homosexual fixation that he doesn't know from one day to the next what hate, precisely, he has been spewing. A sure sign of approaching demise.
So true. I've always said, straight people don't obsess 24/7 about gay sex. Why? Because they're not gay. They're straight. Gay sex doesn't interest them.

Gay people don't obsess 24/7 about straight sex because they're not straight. Hetero sex is no more obsession-worthy to gay people than gay sex is to straight people. Why would it be?

You know who *does* obsess 24/7 about gay sex?? Yepper!! Closet cases.

They're the ones that desperately want nothing more than to be having gay sex, but just can't allow themselves to go there. That's not straight people that are obsessed like that because they're not interested in gay sex. And it's not gay people that are obsessed like that because we ARE having gay sex.

So that leaves just the closet cases sharing their finger and telling everyone else how sick and wrong and horrible and dangerous gay sex is. Something we already know not to be true.

Sound familiar, Wondering?? It should, but I bet it doesn't.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#56 Aug 31, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And this law would ensure the bigots can't use their fear & bigotry as an excuse to assault or kill someone.
It should come with anther law making it a felony for a trans person to hide their true identity for purposes of deception, regardless of what gender they believe they are.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#57 Aug 31, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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It should come with anther law making it a felony for a trans person to hide their true identity for purposes of deception, regardless of what gender they believe they are.
Bring back the pink triangle Adolph!
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#61 Aug 31, 2014
"I didn't say it was justification, I said it happens."

"I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply."

Wondering in both instances - the stupid filth-bigot lies and lies and lies. Then gets basic things wrong. Offers a nonsensical justification [sic] then denies ever having offered any attempted justification. Really sick.

He should be out waging his hilarious, uncomprehending campaign to have state AGs enforce unconstitutional anti sodomy laws which are still on the books. Translation: These remaining, sick homophobes are the dregs of society intellectually, morally, spiritually, sexually.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#62 Aug 31, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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It should come with anther law making it a felony for a trans person to hide their true identity for purposes of deception, regardless of what gender they believe they are.
Why?

There is no right to know what a person's birth gender is, nor their birth race or nationality etc.

On the other hand, there IS a right not to be assaulted and/or killed just because someone doesn't like what they find out about you.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#64 Aug 31, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
There is no right to know what a person's birth gender is, nor their birth race or nationality etc.
Maybe not for you, I'm fussy.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#66 Aug 31, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Why do you feel you have a right and need to know ? Do you not believe in a person's right to privacy ?
Not if I am considering making them my other half. There are plenty of reasons for being honest and open about who or what you are. If a trans has no interest in sex or a relationship I couldn't care less about them or their right to privacy. Being up front about who they are could save everyone involved a lot of pain, or worse, later.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#67 Aug 31, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Not if I am considering making them my other half. There are plenty of reasons for being honest and open about who or what you are. If a trans has no interest in sex or a relationship I couldn't care less about them or their right to privacy. Being up front about who they are could save everyone involved a lot of pain, or worse, later.
What other things that a person fails to disclose to you immediately upon making your acquaintance do you think would excuse you murdering them when you find out? And how long do they have to disclose it to you before your license to kill kicks in? A minute or two? Half an hour?

It sounds like you expect people to disclose everything that *you* might find objectionable within the first few seconds of meeting you so that you don't accidentally fall in love with someone you're going to hate yourself for loving later and be forced to kill them.(That's REALLY crazy, don't you think??)

I can see it now. "Hi there! My name is Cathy. Before you fall in love with me, or consider me as a potential sex partner, you need to know that I once shoplifted a lollipop from the drug store when I was four years old, I know people that support the communist party, I once had a fleeting, drunken sexual encounter with another woman, I gave birth to a child when I was a teenager and put it up for adoption, I have not had a sex change operation and am not contemplating it now, I was engaged once, but we broke up before we got married, try as I might, I do *not* like cinnamon rolls. Nice to meet you. And you are?" Is that what you picture a satisfactory amount of disclosure upon first meeting someone?

Maybe if you'd spend a few minutes thinking about your positions before jumping to them, you wouldn't make yourself look so ridiculous all the time.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#68 Aug 31, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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What other things that a person fails to disclose to you immediately upon making your acquaintance do you think would excuse you murdering them when you find out?
I call you stupid and you feel compelled to prove it. Hilarious.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#69 Aug 31, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Maybe not for you, I'm fussy.
Fuss all you want, but you still have no right to know what a person's birth gender or race or nationality is.

If it matters that much to you, that's your problem.

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