Bishop of Exeter: Gay marriage is not...

Bishop of Exeter: Gay marriage is not a faith issue - " it is a challenge to our society

There are 12 comments on the This Is Exeter story from Dec 28, 2012, titled Bishop of Exeter: Gay marriage is not a faith issue - " it is a challenge to our society. In it, This Is Exeter reports that:

Humpty Dumpty sat on his wall talking to Alice: "There's glory for you," he said.

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disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Dec 28, 2012
yea itsa challeneg to see IF Or society will Treat ALL people EQUALLY......why is reating al Equally a Challenge?

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Dec 28, 2012
The only consequence to marriage equality, is equality.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#4 Dec 28, 2012
Here it is; right here
The traditional definition of marriage:
1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.

2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
david traversa

Tucuman, Argentina

#5 Dec 28, 2012
Society has never had near enough challenges.. It's time it woke up from its lethargy..

Since: Jun 11


#6 Dec 28, 2012
Same old unsupportable excuses.

His main excuse for refusing to follow the Golden Rule, is procreation. Yet he fails to address why old and otherwise sterile people, as well as those with no ability to even have sex, are allowed to marry.

He also misrepresents history and wants us to believe it has always been one man, one woman, ignoring the history of same sex marriages dating back to ancient Egypt and even cave man times.

The rest is unspecified fear of the unknown. But fear of the unknown has always been a favorite tool used by religion to control others, as well as for anyone who doesn't want to treat others the way they would treat themselves. Fear of the unknown is a powerful tool.

Since: Jun 11


#7 Dec 28, 2012
Gay people have been getting married for over 4,000 years. It just has never been and never will be the primary form of marriage.

"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "

A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.

"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.

Gay Marriage Is As Old As History
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Dec 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie with no real basis in how homosexual live. At least 97% of homosexuals have shunned 'marriage' in all countries that allow the concocted oxymoron, and in many of the countries it's a bigger rejection than that!
For a Christian, it is wrong to bless or affirm what God condemns:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
If GOD wants this HE will tell me himself; not you


Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#10 Dec 28, 2012
The good bishop says:

"What has stayed constant is an understanding that marriage is between male and female, based on the complementarity of the two sexes."

While this may or may not be true (it's not, as Not Yet Equal points out above), it could also be argued that society as a WHOLE has also always been "intended" (by some) for heterosexuals only, and that the proper way to deal with homosexuals who dare try to assimilate into "normal" society is to shun them, or enact legislation against them, or simply put them to death.

This is no longer true. Society is changing, to accept homosexuals as full and rightful people. Most of the elements that make up society is going to change as well, like marriage. Without the drive to make gay people into pariahs of SOCIETY, there is no longer a call to make us into pariahs of MARRIAGE. Full integration into TODAY'S society, with all the rights and privilges thereof, includes full integration into today's MARRIAGE.

Attempts to bar gay people from using the rights of marriage simply perpetuate the idea that gay people should be barred from society entirely.

Ever see a person who was opposed to same-sex marriages, yet who was in FAVOR of gays serving openly in the military? It is never just "marriage" that these people wish to "protect", nor military readiness either. They are simply opposed to: "Anything gay people seek".

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#11 Dec 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie.... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Did NARTH tell you to post this crap as part of your "ungaying" therapy DAVID?

Sorry, it simply isn't working.

Since: Jun 11


#12 Dec 28, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, a few mistranslated, misinterpreted verses promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continue to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

Since: Jun 11


#13 Dec 28, 2012
Fundamental rights are rights of the individual. Equal protection is required for "all persons." There is no requirement any number of individuals exercise their rights, for those rights to remain fundamental rights.

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978):“[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987):“[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[] of emotional support and public commitment.”

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

"The most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment." Choice of a non-related adult mutual partner is a fundamental right of all individuals. It is not the choice of the government, nor should it ever depend on any persons interpretation of any religious text.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#14 Dec 29, 2012
I don't think it has changed Canadian society very much since becoming legal. If someone can provide an example of a major social change brought on by same-sex marriage here, I'd be very interested in hearing it.

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