Cindy McCain Wins Prestigious LGBT Aw...

Cindy McCain Wins Prestigious LGBT Award, Backlash Ensues

There are 19 comments on the EDGE story from Jun 19, 2013, titled Cindy McCain Wins Prestigious LGBT Award, Backlash Ensues. In it, EDGE reports that:

Cindy McCain, the wife of Arizona senator and 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, won a huge award on Monday for her support for the LGBT community.

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Little Oakland Annie

Hayward, CA

#4 Jun 19, 2013
Uve wrote:
Don't ya love how queers throw a "prestigious" award at anyone who doesn't point out the perverse deviancies of their Chosen lifestyle...they so want to be accepted as Normal & Decent but of course that will NEVER HAPPEN!!!
-Uve
Why do you capitalize random adjectives? You must be stupid.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#6 Jun 19, 2013
Uve wrote:
Don't ya love how queers throw a "prestigious" award at anyone who doesn't point out the perverse deviancies of their Chosen lifestyle...they so want to be accepted as Normal & Decent but of course that will NEVER HAPPEN!!!
-Uve
Don't you hate how little liar uses different names for every post? You are fooling no one, little liar.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Jun 20, 2013
I always liked the McCains, I would have voted for John to, back when he ran, if not for his running mate. Even decent people can make stupid judgment calls.
Little Oakland Annie

Hayward, CA

#8 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
I always liked the McCains, I would have voted for John to, back when he ran, if not for his running mate. Even decent people can make stupid judgment calls.
I hope you're joking.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 Jun 20, 2013
Little Oakland Annie wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you're joking.
No, I'm not. McCain wasn't the brightest bulb, but he had his heart in the right place. Just because someone is in a particular party, doesn't mean they're like all the others of that party, look at Ron Paul for another example of this. Judging people by what party they can get an endorsement from is blind partisanship, not a sign of intelligence.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#10 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
I always liked the McCains, I would have voted for John to, back when he ran, if not for his running mate. Even decent people can make stupid judgment calls.
Several years ago, I thought he was quite cool, he made good fair decisions, was sharp and had a good sense of humor about himself, he was on "Saturday Night Live" a couple of times and KILLED, but as time went by he got more and more scary and strange. He hitched his wagon to the fundies, following Reagan's lead and he has been in free fall ever since. His picking Palin was the final nail in his political career coffin.

Did you see the HBO movie "Game Changer"? It was based on the book about the process and picking of her. It was a fiasco from about day two. Despite La Palin's harsh movie critique, of a film she refused to see, it actually was kind of sympathetic to the Palins, it mostly proved that she was just not prepared or capable of the job. It made me so GLAD I am SO far from that kind of life. I do not know how mere mortals can go through that hellish process of elections.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Jun 20, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Several years ago, I thought he was quite cool, he made good fair decisions, was sharp and had a good sense of humor about himself, he was on "Saturday Night Live" a couple of times and KILLED, but as time went by he got more and more scary and strange. He hitched his wagon to the fundies, following Reagan's lead and he has been in free fall ever since. His picking Palin was the final nail in his political career coffin.
Did you see the HBO movie "Game Changer"? It was based on the book about the process and picking of her. It was a fiasco from about day two. Despite La Palin's harsh movie critique, of a film she refused to see, it actually was kind of sympathetic to the Palins, it mostly proved that she was just not prepared or capable of the job. It made me so GLAD I am SO far from that kind of life. I do not know how mere mortals can go through that hellish process of elections.
He's aging, it happens to everyone eventually, some people sooner than others. Probably tired and just taking advice from idiots instead of thinking as much as he once did. I just give credit where due, and John was never a truly hateful person.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#12 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
He's aging, it happens to everyone eventually, some people sooner than others. Probably tired and just taking advice from idiots instead of thinking as much as he once did. I just give credit where due, and John was never a truly hateful person.
Never a hateful person? McCain was against the repeal of DADT, against ENDA, and against extending hate crimes to include sexual orientation. Even worse, he supported Proposition 102, which amended Arizona's constitution to prohibit marriage equality. How can you conclude "he had his heart in the right place"?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#13 Jun 20, 2013
GoldenGator wrote:
<quoted text>
Never a hateful person? McCain was against the repeal of DADT, against ENDA, and against extending hate crimes to include sexual orientation. Even worse, he supported Proposition 102, which amended Arizona's constitution to prohibit marriage equality. How can you conclude "he had his heart in the right place"?
I can't believe I am defending the old catfish, but he was more liberal and tolerant in other days and was kind of gay friendly.

After that horrible day of 9-11 he actually hopped a plane and flew to San Francisco to speak at Mark Bingam's funeral, one of the heroes of Flight 93. He quoted the Gospel of John, that laying down one's life for another is second only to God's love. I've grown weepy thinking of it just now.

His speech about Mark and his life was highly intelligent and incredibly moving. He was completely non judgmental about Mark's gayness. That's why I was so disappointed about the terrible turn he took in his policies. It showed his complete hypocrisy about his wanting to win so much that he compromised his own words. THAT is inexcusable.

BTW, I never knew Mark Bingam, but some of my SF pals did. He was a member of Tall Men Together, a tall for guys over 6'4". I belonged to the LA branch of that club. They said Mark was an enthusiastic friend and just good brave guy; I so wish I had met him! I wish he was still here today.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#14 Jun 20, 2013
A tall CLUB for guys over 6'4"...left out a word there, I was too emotional for a moment.
Little Oakland Annie

Hayward, CA

#15 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not. McCain wasn't the brightest bulb, but he had his heart in the right place. Just because someone is in a particular party, doesn't mean they're like all the others of that party, look at Ron Paul for another example of this. Judging people by what party they can get an endorsement from is blind partisanship, not a sign of intelligence.
Edge didn't do their research because the truth didn't fit their article. McCain only supported DADT for about 5 minutes and he condemned DOMA only because it interferes with states rights, not because he's no bigot.

McCain is a horrible person and is no friend of lesbians and gays. You have already forgotten his positions when in ran in 2008 but to refresh your memory:

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivi...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#16 Jun 20, 2013
GoldenGator wrote:
<quoted text>
Never a hateful person? McCain was against the repeal of DADT, against ENDA, and against extending hate crimes to include sexual orientation. Even worse, he supported Proposition 102, which amended Arizona's constitution to prohibit marriage equality. How can you conclude "he had his heart in the right place"?
Um, yeah, you're just reciting partisan hype.

Obama signed ACTA, which means you have no privacy online at all now, any country, for any reason, can now demand a copy of your internet information from your ISP and the ISP has to provide it.

Obama only recently changed his position in support of gay marriage, he was okay with DOMA until then.

Clinton helped to pass increased copyright laws that are not only unenforceable, they are oppressive and just plain stupid.

Come on, everyone has some skeletons in their closet, politicians have a lot more than everyone else, if you want to keep up this partisan bull, we can look more closely at the Democrats as well.
Shelia R Fackler

Ghaziabad, India

#17 Jun 20, 2013
my best friend's ex-wife makes $70/hr on the laptop. She has been fired from work for 10 months but last month her paycheck was $14776 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site w­w­w.K­E­P­2.c­o­m

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#18 Jun 20, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>I can't believe I am defending the old catfish, but he was more liberal and tolerant in other days and was kind of gay friendly.
After that horrible day of 9-11 he actually hopped a plane and flew to San Francisco to speak at Mark Bingam's funeral, one of the heroes of Flight 93. He quoted the Gospel of John, that laying down one's life for another is second only to God's love. I've grown weepy thinking of it just now.
His speech about Mark and his life was highly intelligent and incredibly moving. He was completely non judgmental about Mark's gayness. That's why I was so disappointed about the terrible turn he took in his policies. It showed his complete hypocrisy about his wanting to win so much that he compromised his own words. THAT is inexcusable.
BTW, I never knew Mark Bingam, but some of my SF pals did. He was a member of Tall Men Together, a tall for guys over 6'4". I belonged to the LA branch of that club. They said Mark was an enthusiastic friend and just good brave guy; I so wish I had met him! I wish he was still here today.
I didn't know him either, but as soon as I saw him on the news back then, I recognized him from seeing him around the neighborhood. There was a memorial of flowers and posters at the corner of 18th & Castro for quite a long time. I don't recall McCain's speech, so I must not have seen it. And if you didn’t know, there's a Wikipedia entry for him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bingham

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#19 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, yeah, you're just reciting partisan hype.
Obama signed ACTA, which means you have no privacy online at all now, any country, for any reason, can now demand a copy of your internet information from your ISP and the ISP has to provide it.
Obama only recently changed his position in support of gay marriage, he was okay with DOMA until then.
Clinton helped to pass increased copyright laws that are not only unenforceable, they are oppressive and just plain stupid.
Come on, everyone has some skeletons in their closet, politicians have a lot more than everyone else, if you want to keep up this partisan bull, we can look more closely at the Democrats as well.
Kitten, please don’t go FaFoxy on me. I'm not "just reciting partisan hype"; I'm reciting facts. You're being specious in attempting to diminish McCain's misdeeds by contrasting them with Obama and Clinton. But that contrast does nothing of the sort, especially when I wasn't comparing McCain to anyone in the first place. Everything I said about McCain is still true without or without Obama and Clinton.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#20 Jun 20, 2013
GoldenGator wrote:
<quoted text>
Kitten, please don’t go FaFoxy on me. I'm not "just reciting partisan hype"; I'm reciting facts. You're being specious in attempting to diminish McCain's misdeeds by contrasting them with Obama and Clinton. But that contrast does nothing of the sort, especially when I wasn't comparing McCain to anyone in the first place. Everything I said about McCain is still true without or without Obama and Clinton.
You are rating the "misdeed" based on an arbitrary scale that you prefer, I am rating them all equal, with the exception of the Iraq war, which was a grievous one but that was Bush Jr.. The reason for this exception, the Iraq war caused a lot of innocent people to be harmed for no reason, the others we have mentioned have not done that. I don't equate equality or freedom above each other, they are the same, and Democrats have been notoriously against freedom of information, which is ironic since that same freedom of information is why we know that most Republican candidates are not right for the country. Sort of shooting yourself in the foot. Without the freedom of information online, how would you even know of most policies that oppose equality? You wouldn't, the news doesn't focus on those unless it appears online first, it never did for gay people. Even then, the mainstream media is watered down and often peppered with misinformation, many times outright lies.

Famous words: When the election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, does anyone really win?

But the reality of the situation is you can't have equality without freedom of information, so you have to bounce between the different types of people to balance the equation, otherwise, one will vanish.
Little Oakland Annie

Hayward, CA

#21 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are rating the "misdeed" based on an arbitrary scale that you prefer, I am rating them all equal, with the exception of the Iraq war, which was a grievous one but that was Bush Jr.. The reason for this exception, the Iraq war caused a lot of innocent people to be harmed for no reason, the others we have mentioned have not done that. I don't equate equality or freedom above each other, they are the same, and Democrats have been notoriously against freedom of information, which is ironic since that same freedom of information is why we know that most Republican candidates are not right for the country. Sort of shooting yourself in the foot. Without the freedom of information online, how would you even know of most policies that oppose equality? You wouldn't, the news doesn't focus on those unless it appears online first, it never did for gay people. Even then, the mainstream media is watered down and often peppered with misinformation, many times outright lies.
Famous words: When the election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, does anyone really win?
But the reality of the situation is you can't have equality without freedom of information, so you have to bounce between the different types of people to balance the equation, otherwise, one will vanish.
Um, none of that has anything to do with McCain's homophobia.
Little Oakland Annie

Hayward, CA

#22 Jun 20, 2013
Shelia R Fackler wrote:
my best friend's ex-wife makes $70/hr on the laptop. She has been fired from work for 10 months but last month her paycheck was $14776 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site w­w­w.K­E­P­2.c­o­m
That's nice. I'm really happy for her.

You guys have been fun, but I gotta get back to work.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#23 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are rating the "misdeed" based on an arbitrary scale that you prefer, I am rating them all equal, with the exception of the Iraq war, which was a grievous one but that was Bush Jr.. The reason for this exception, the Iraq war caused a lot of innocent people to be harmed for no reason, the others we have mentioned have not done that. I don't equate equality or freedom above each other, they are the same, and Democrats have been notoriously against freedom of information, which is ironic since that same freedom of information is why we know that most Republican candidates are not right for the country. Sort of shooting yourself in the foot. Without the freedom of information online, how would you even know of most policies that oppose equality? You wouldn't, the news doesn't focus on those unless it appears online first, it never did for gay people. Even then, the mainstream media is watered down and often peppered with misinformation, many times outright lies.
Famous words: When the election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, does anyone really win?
But the reality of the situation is you can't have equality without freedom of information, so you have to bounce between the different types of people to balance the equation, otherwise, one will vanish.
That is the most convoluted defense of homophobia I have ever heard. Even if everything you say is true, changing the argument to a comparison of political parties does nothing to mitigate McCain's bigotry. And nothing you said demonstrates that McCain "was never a truly hateful person" or that he "had his heart in the right place."

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