Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against ...

Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1903 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Of course homosexuality is a choice. Its a choice against the body and if it was not a choice there would not be be ex-homosexuals.
There are no ex-homosexuals.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1904 Jan 30, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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There are no ex-homosexuals.
Get serious there are hundreds. Here is a famous one: Ann Heche dated comedian Ellen DeGeneres and then broke up and married a man.
http://www.biography.com/people/anne-heche-25...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1905 Jan 30, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Wow, you display so much ignorance in such a short post.
There doesn't need to be a "gay gene" for homosexuality to be an inborn trait. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, so it doesn't have to be justified. Homosexuality is an orientation, not a behavior.
If there is nothing wrong with homosexuality then why do so many who engage in it get sick and die?

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1906 Jan 30, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
not ashamed,
There are many testimonies of men and women being set free from the ugly grasp of homosexuality. Men and women who for years spent time in homosexuality only to realize they were being lied to.
God is able to deliver anyone from this lifestyle if they want to be delivered. A person who is homosexual for 15 yrs and leaves the lifestyle was not just curious. You may want to do some research and stop being ignorant. That is your choice concerning your child. If you want to walk your child right into hell go for it.
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No one has ever changed their sexual orientation. At best, a bisexual person can learn to pretend that they don't have feelings for same sex people. But it is never more than that. They PRETEND, lying even to themselves because they have been brainwashed into thinking that one part of their being is somehow wrong.

The reality is that ALL of these people still have all of the same feeling and attractions that they have always had. Funny thing: there are medical tests that can be used to measure the degree of arousal that a person gets from viewing erotic images. A straight person will not get aroused viewing homoerotic images. Not one of these "converted" gays has ever submitted to such medical testing for the simple reason that they KNOW that they would prove to still be the same orientation that they were BORN with.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1909 Jan 30, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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People get diseases from straight sex.
Can you name a disease people get from gay sex they can't get from straight sex?
Didn't think so.
Good point. Its amazing how many diseases people get from practicing "safe sex" isn't it?

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1910 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If there is nothing wrong with homosexuality then why do so many who engage in it get sick and die?
Why do so many heterosexuals, even those that don't practice get sick and die? Look at the data from the 1700's: even though there were few or no openly practicing homosexuals, NOT ONE heterosexual person from back then is still alive! OBVIOUSLY, there must be something wrong with being heterosexual...

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1911 Jan 30, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Liam,
No body is going to sit and read all that. It is a bunch of garbage.
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Correction: No self proclaimed Christian will read it because they fear the truth.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#1912 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If there is nothing wrong with homosexuality then why do so many who engage in it get sick and die?
Can you name a disease people get from gay sex they can't get from straight sex?
Didn't think so.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1913 Jan 30, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Liam,
David and Jonathan never ha.d sex so stop making up lies for your gay agenda. No the Greek words are not irrelevant. They were never married.
Chapter and Verse where it says they had sex and were married. By the way a homosexual couple cannot consummate a marriage. A marriage is between a man and a woman and only sex between a male and female consummates a marriage.
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AS requested, here are the chapter and verses that show that they were indeed married:

According to Jewish tradition, a couple can form a marriage through any one of three ways: an exchange of vows, an exchange of gifts, or by having sex. Modern Jewish weddings typically involve all three. The word translated as "exceeded" in 1 Samuel 20:41 was used as a euphemism for orgasm; thus it can be seen in these verses that David and Johnathan performed all three methods of establishing a marriage.

1 Samuel 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. 3 Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his apparel, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

1 Samuel 20:3 And David swore moreover, and said:'Thy father knoweth well that I have found favour in thine eyes...

1 Samuel 20:8 <David, speaking to Johnathan> Therefore deal kindly with thy servant; for thou hast brought thy servant into a covenant of the LORD with thee; but if there be in me iniquity, slay me thyself; for why shouldest thou bring me to thy father?'

1 Samuel 20:16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David:'The LORD even require it at the hand of David's enemies.' 17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, for the love that he had to him; for he loved him as he loved his own soul.

1 Samuel 20:30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him:'Thou son of perverse rebellion, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own shame, and unto the shame of thy mother's nakedness?

1 Samuel 20:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no food the second day of the month; for he was grieved for David, and because his father had put him to shame.

1 Samuel 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed down three times; and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David:'Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying: The LORD shall be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed, for ever.'

The verses 1 Samuel 20:30 & 20:34 indicate that Saul did not approve and that (perhaps) such things were not widely accepted.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#1914 Jan 30, 2013
NoQ wrote:
Rose's Law:
Rose with no real argument screams,
If you don't have a DlCK as big as mine, you're not a real man.
Did your mother tell you that the other boys make fun of your tiny member because they are jealous?
If not, I can't figure why you'd think that if I were a man, I'd consider being told I have a big one an insult.

Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1915 Jan 30, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Why do so many heterosexuals, even those that don't practice get sick and die? Look at the data from the 1700's: even though there were few or no openly practicing homosexuals, NOT ONE heterosexual person from back then is still alive! OBVIOUSLY, there must be something wrong with being heterosexual...
The diseases for homosexuals far outstrips the heterosexual community. Go to this site and you will see:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/2012...

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#1916 Jan 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus taught "repent or perish" (Luke 13:3).........quit sinning (Mark 9:43-48)......."Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24)......Hell is a real place place (Luke 16:19-31). You need to read the entire New Testament not just the "love verses".
Homosexuals need to repent and turn to Jesus!
Acts 3:19- Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Revelation 20:15- And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I know what it says in the book of Acts. It does not say " repent ye from homosexual behavior and become converted"
That is just your spin on things. If you truly believe that any and all sins will cast you into a lake of fire, and you believe that homosexuality is a sin then I would say you should also look at yourself. Your judgement and bigotry of the gay community also calls for some repentance. Wouldn't you agree?
I grew up baptist and I have never gotten the whole thing about every sin we commit casting us into a lake of fire.
Do I believe there is a hell? Yep, I sure do. I also believe that very few people will ever see hell. Why would our father in heaven who loves us beyond our own ability to even comprehend cast us into a lake of fire.
My kids make mistakes all the time and no matter what,I love them.
I would assume his love for us exceeds even that.
Now tell me again how he is going to cast all of his homosexual children in a lake of fire.
He ask us to believe in Christ and that he was crucified for our sins. The greatest commandment he has given us is to love one another. Not love only the ones who believe as we do.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1918 Jan 30, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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One can't choose their sexual orientation UNLESS they happen to be Bisexual either.....it's INNATE!!!
Um, even then, they still can't choose their orientation. They can choose their partners, but the orientation itself remains immutable.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1920 Jan 30, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Liam
Nice try, but Jude 1:7 shows why Sodom was destroyed because of every kind of sexual perversion.
7 And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.
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Silly, ignorant child. Please learn to read for comprehension. Jude clearly refers to <ekporneuo> usually translated as "fornication" and referring to prostitution and to <heteros sarx> "strange flesh".

Deuteronomy 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

S&G went after strange flesh, and the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, just like Deuteronomy says will happen. Jude says nothing about homosexuality at all. Stop making up such lies.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1921 Jan 30, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorance isn't bliss dear, it's just ignorance. Way to set a good Christian example of a closed-minded fool.
I'd argue that ignorance IS bliss for that brand of xian, since facts and reality would utterly destroy their faith.

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Since: Jun 07

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#1922 Jan 30, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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If it's 'just as natural', why is the present population only comprised of 2-4% homosexual and not 50%?
Because it it genetic or epigenetic in origin. Since a person who is fully homosexual in orientation is unlikely to procreate, it is unlikely to ever increase to anywhere near parity.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1923 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If homosexuality is natural why isn't the human body designed for it? Just look at the diseases people get from engaging in it.
There are no diseases inherent to homosexuality. Promiscuity can increase the prevalence of various STDs, but that is true for any sexual orientation.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1924 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Hon-- thanks for making my case that sex outside of marriage of a man and a woman is the only safe sex there is. Thanks a bunch.
Oh Gods, please don't post any more comments like that. I am currently sitting in the library at my son's school, and the librarian hates it when I laugh so loudly. The only safe sex is sex OUTSIDE of a marriage! Woot!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1926 Jan 30, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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No. We need to strengthen it. Its still the best place to raise a family even with all its problems. One thing I would do is to find a way for one of the parents to stay home with their children. It takes a lot to raise children and having 2 parents work just adds so much more stress. What do you think?
Good idea, but the only way to make it work in the modern economy is by having families consist of three or more adults, one of which could then stay home with the kids.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1928 Jan 30, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Liam,
No homosexuality is not just as natural as heterosexuality that is why God made male and female cause their different. Homosexuality is an abomination and always will be. I will never stop telling the truth concerning homosexuality. Has nothing to do with bullying has to do with what God said and your argument is with Him not anyone else.
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Why would I argue with God when I can just quote what He had to say on the matter? When are you ever going to START telling the truth about homosexuality?

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