Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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<quoted text>And for back up you turn to a Bible verse which has been deliberately mistranslated for an American audience with the very clear intent to make God into a homophobe. Sorry, but the closest known to the original copy of Paul's epistle simply does not support such a tortured "translation" into American English and neither does the tradition of Christian teaching of the meaning of what are supposed to be Paul's original words. What King James translated into "nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," had always been taught as warnings against having soft morals (the Greek word used by Paul doesn't mean effeminate, it means being soft or pliable, like fabric) and masturbation (the Greek word used by Paul is a combination of the words for man and bed and not a term that his readers would have used to describe same sex acts or those who engaged in them). If you still want to believe that God doesn't like gay, you go right ahead, just don't be quite so sure that the Bible really backs you up on that.
Here some more.

Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

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NoQ wrote:
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Go su;ck your pimps D:ck and shut the fk up.
oooh sorry maybe you haven't heard... but never have had a pimp... sorry... now run along little bigot troll and play with your hand

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Here some more.(Canned Bible chunks, edited for length)
Sweetie, didn't you find it rather odd that the cut and paste nonsense you were borrowing had to use three different versions of the Bible to be put together?

Two verses from a book you don't bother to follow yourself, verses telling us that God turned the heterosexual Christians of Rome just as queer as folk in a snit over their indulging in idolatry, a verse that has also been mistranslated for homophobic American audiences, a repeat of a verse that you already knew had been mistranslated deliberately but were too stupid to edit from your spam job and a verse that doesn't refer to the sexual immorality that you choose to believe it does. I'm convinced. I'm convinced that in all likelihood you have in all probability, never read a Bible and calling yourself Christian pretty much falls into the category of bearing false witness.

Ass dismissed.
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The buy-bull? It indicates the earth is flat.
GAWD, I see nothing has changed. You are as stoopid as you ever were.

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Warren Jeffs.
You're right. I had a brain fart.:^)

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Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Here we go with the "eye-witness" account bullshit. You fundies sure are dumb.
While I hate those to use the Bible to discriminate against homosexuals, I do have speak up for the Bible. Whoever wrote the Gospels and especially the books of Luke and Acts only gathered eyewitness accounts of what the people reported. There was an original source, Christianity didn't come out of thin air. It is no different than a newspaper reporter doing the same. Do you mistrust all news reports if they are not eyewitnesses?
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Liam R wrote:
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Ezekiel said what the sins of Sodom were:
Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
The word here translated as "abomination" is the Hebrew word <tow'ebah> which ALWAYS refers to things that are an abomination BECAUSE they are part of the worship of a foreign God.
What the men of Sodom wanted to do was gang rape. I have been given to understand that even today, in that part of the world, men will engage in such practices as a way of showing power over those they can capture.
Jewish folk lore tells more about Sodom and its evil. A judge went to investigate, and was beaten and robbed for trying. When he went before the local judge to sue a man who threw a rock at his head, the local judge told him that the man was known as a blood letter, and ordered the investigator to pay MORE money for the "healing" services.
Other stories show that travelers were routinely robbed when they entered the city, and then left to starve when they had no money to buy food. The great cry spoken of in Genesis was said to ahve been one of Lot's daughters. She had pity on a traveler, and gave him food when he was begging after having been robbed by the locals. For her "crime", she was dipped in honey and hung from the city walls so that she could be eaten by wild bees.
Gang rape, murder, robbery - these are crimes that could have justified the destruction of an entire city. But a couple of gay guys doing each other? Get serious.
If you are as straight as you state you are, would you 'rape' another male for the fun of it? I know I wouldn't.
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Jane Dodo wrote:
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Ok, I did. Guess what I found out? A virus causes AIDS.
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and.... where did the virus originate from?
---- monkeys..
-----How did this virus get into man?
----come on now you know.. having sex with monkey.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/...
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When did HIV-1 first start spreading in humans?

HIV-1 is surprisingly old, and it probably "debuted" in humans at least three separate times -- one for each subtype, M, N, and O. Scientists' best guess is that the precursor of the most common "M" virus jumped from the Cameroon chimps to humans sometime before 1931. Using samples of HIV-infected tissue harvested over the last three decades, virologist Dr. Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory has calculated that an ancestral form of HIV started spreading, slowly at first, in humans about 75 years ago. The actual jump from chimps to humans probably occurred shortly before that, says Hahn: "There's no reason to believe this was just lingering around in people."

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there's more info out there, you and I just need to research more.

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"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" - Gal 4:16
Are we? I choose to err on the side of grace. If homosexuality is a sin, as you believe, then Jesus paid the price of that sin to anyone who has put their faith in him. Anyone. Once you have received the grace of Jesus Christ, you can not lose it. I'll give you an example because I know your going to come back that if a homosexual has gay sex after accepting the grace of Jesus Christ, he wasn't truly repentant and therefore never received his grace. But there has never been a person who ever lived that after receiving the grace of Jesus Christ that hasn't sinned after. No one ever stops sinning, saved or not. That is why we can only be saved by his grace and not by our own righteousness. You know any sin is sin enough to keep us out of the kingdom of heaven.

But there is no sin or law against love.

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Catholic Girl wrote:
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and.... where did the virus originate from?
---- monkeys..
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----come on now you know.. having sex with monkey.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/...
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When did HIV-1 first start spreading in humans?
HIV-1 is surprisingly old, and it probably "debuted" in humans at least three separate times -- one for each subtype, M, N, and O. Scientists' best guess is that the precursor of the most common "M" virus jumped from the Cameroon chimps to humans sometime before 1931. Using samples of HIV-infected tissue harvested over the last three decades, virologist Dr. Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory has calculated that an ancestral form of HIV started spreading, slowly at first, in humans about 75 years ago. The actual jump from chimps to humans probably occurred shortly before that, says Hahn: "There's no reason to believe this was just lingering around in people."
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there's more info out there, you and I just need to research more.
You need to read your link. They speculated it started in humans from eat the chimps, not having sex with them. I also speculate it could have come from a chimp biting a human, giving them the virus. It's kinda strange you are thinking of humans screwing monkeys.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie, didn't you find it rather odd that the cut and paste nonsense you were borrowing had to use three different versions of the Bible to be put together?
Two verses from a book you don't bother to follow yourself, verses telling us that God turned the heterosexual Christians of Rome just as queer as folk in a snit over their indulging in idolatry, a verse that has also been mistranslated for homophobic American audiences, a repeat of a verse that you already knew had been mistranslated deliberately but were too stupid to edit from your spam job and a verse that doesn't refer to the sexual immorality that you choose to believe it does. I'm convinced. I'm convinced that in all likelihood you have in all probability, never read a Bible and calling yourself Christian pretty much falls into the category of bearing false witness.
Ass dismissed.
Nope getting the word you were asking for.

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If you are as straight as you state you are, would you 'rape' another male for the fun of it? I know I wouldn't.
Happens in prison everyday.
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You need to read your link. They speculated it started in humans from eat the chimps, not having sex with them. I also speculate it could have come from a chimp biting a human, giving them the virus. It's kinda strange you are thinking of humans screwing monkeys.
Nothing states anything about eating. The sex with monkeys was stated years ago. since you are of the undesirable lifestyle, why would having sex with monkeys surprise you?
next question, where do you think swine flu came from?

take it easy here and be nice.

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Nope getting the word you were asking for.
So you pray. Good luck with that by the way.

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I Cor 6:9
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
Not the NIV....show us the KJV

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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Paul wrote this in a letter to the people of Corinth. Now, can you find a quote from Christ where he said homosexuality was wrong?

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Show me the article that a gay gene has been found. Make sure its peer reviewed.
Keep in mind that even if a gene were found it still would not justify homosexuality. Genes also don't determine behavior.
Wow, you display so much ignorance in such a short post.
There doesn't need to be a "gay gene" for homosexuality to be an inborn trait. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, so it doesn't have to be justified. Homosexuality is an orientation, not a behavior.

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JustChristian wrote:
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Here some more.
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Not the NIV which is the republican translation to get fundies to vote on these issues so they can pass laws making the rich richer and lowering the standard of living on Americans.

And Leviticus is NOT God's word..it's the rules of the priests in the early jewish laws. Paul wrote the new testament.

I want Quote from GOD and Christ for proof that the Christian religion can justify hating homosexuals.

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Born_Again_Christian wrote:
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Ya, and homosexuality has no place in our schools or any where else.
Rose's Law:
Morons with no real argument scream, "But what about the children!?
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Stop forcing homosexuality on the rest of us. Keep it in your bedroom and away from us normal folks.
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Why should gay people do that anymore than straight people, fundie?

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Dana Robertson wrote:
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While I hate those to use the Bible to discriminate against homosexuals, I do have speak up for the Bible. Whoever wrote the Gospels and especially the books of Luke and Acts only gathered eyewitness accounts of what the people reported. There was an original source, Christianity didn't come out of thin air. It is no different than a newspaper reporter doing the same. Do you mistrust all news reports if they are not eyewitnesses?
I understand standing up for the bible if that's what you believe in......but what about other scriptures and Gospels not in the bible, have you read them? or just read and believe what is in the bible?

You really should read the Gospel of Peter, Judas, Thomas and Mary Magdalene........these Gospels are not long, but they do bring insight in to the last days of Jesus.

Also the Book of Enoch and the book of Jasher also could be of interest.

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