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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16097 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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#12343 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Our physical bodies, when lowered into the ground, are but empty shells no longer capable of sustaining our spirits.
Jesus once described the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as "whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanliness."
Ah Manichseism, oh Manichaeism! How subtle are your seductions!

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#12344 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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same book....
Darwin says this:“Analogy would lead me to the belief that all animals and plants are descended from some <one> prototype.
All organisms start from a common origin.
From some low and intermediate forms both animals and plants have been developed.
All organic things which have ever lived on Earth may be <descended from some one primordial form.”>
end quote...
Again ...

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#12345 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Many intelligent and well-trained scientists—listen to me—are moving away from this theory, and it is not necessarily because they are Bible believers; it is because of the lack of evidence for evolution.
And who told you THAT nonsense?

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#12346 Apr 4, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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Snyper: ""exist" is problematic."
Is it?
Snyper:"Can God create something which He cannot destroy utterly?"
Let's hope so.
Then he would no longer be "omnipotent".

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12347 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Many intelligent and well-trained scientists—listen to me—are moving away from this theory, and it is not necessarily because they are Bible believers; it is because of the lack of evidence for evolution.
Complete and total bullshit. No scientists are moving away from evolution unless they end up brain washed into belonging to a fundy cult. There is NO evidence contrary to the Theory of Evolution.

Ever hear of Project Steve? Some time back, there was an attempt to get "scientists" to sign on to a letter that opposed evolution. They managed to get about 700 signatures. Most of the so-called scientists on the letter had NOTHING to do with the biological sciences, they were economists or meteorologists, areas that barely qualify as science. As a response, Project Steve was started.

Project Steve was named in honor of biologist and popular essayist Steven J. Gould, and was LIMITED to scientists in biological sciences who were named "Steve" or a close variation thereof. Such scientists are only about 1% of the population of scientists world wide, yet there are still far more signatures on the Project Steve list than on the creotard list.

Here is the statement that the Project Steve scientists signed:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.
The quote, and more details about Project Steve, can be found here:
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

As an added bonus, that web page includes a link to a great web page that refutes all of the creationist arguments against evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/index.html

You might want to do yourself a favor and check that page closely BEFORE you post any more lame arguments against evolution. Chances are VERY good that your claim has already been refuted, hundreds or thousands of times already.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12348 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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And, just because you say that I am wrong, it is true....
LOL......
I have been on this earth PROBABLY a lot longer than you have...
Statistically unlikely that you have been here longer than me...

And I don't expect you to believe it JUST because I say it, check for yourself, and believe it because it is true. When I post from the Bible, I do try to remember to post book, chapter and verse so the whole passage can be read in context.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12349 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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I will give it a try and maybe you will get it....
Buried in rich man's tomb.....
Isaiah 53:9
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
Matthew 27:57-60
57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.
58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.
59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.
Fulfilled.....ABSOLUTELY!!!
Sigh. You know, I actually DO get tired of having to repeat myself, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

Wrong AGAIN.

Isaiah is NOT Messianic prophecy, it is a discussion of the trials and tribulations of the children of Israel. READ IT >>> IN <<< CONTEXT!

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

NOT fulfilled.

Isaiah 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

The Servant is Israel. Nor is this the first use of that imagery...

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12350 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Isaiah 53 is NOT about your Jesus. Ask the people who wrote it.
Why would he believe them? He should read it IN CONTEXT for himself, then MAYBE he could see the truth...

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12351 Apr 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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It was something to keep the angels amused and out of his hair, buzzing around like gnats "hosanna"-ing him all the time. Vicious little critters, angels. They LIKED the dinosaurs and natural disasters.
Think "ANIMAL PLANET".
One of them, the littlest one, started evolving a sense of compassion. Very un-angelic, indeed. Things got very ... uh ... controversial among the elohim. The compassionate one created a garden, and was determined to demonstrate that not all were brutes, tinkering with their brains.
We all know the rest of the story.
"Now the compassionate one wants to bring some of them into the house ?!?!"
I am reading this in the library at my son's school, waiting for him to get out of class. The librarian does not like me laughing out loud, it sets a bad example.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#12353 Apr 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Which actually amounts to them saying, "Uh ... I dunno," and wiping the drool from their chins with their lace sleeves.
Ever see this really cool documentary about the Permian-Triassic (P-Tr) Extinction?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ngt1N7FtvawXX
Actually, I agree, it does.:)
Thank you for your link. I watched it and did enjoy it so.

For myself, I believe in God as our Creator and will always.
Where did everything come from/where and when did life itself begin?
For me, it is God, no matter where or when.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#12354 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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And, just because you say that I am wrong, it is true....
LOL......
I have been on this earth PROBABLY a lot longer than you have...
And, I might have been on this earth longer than you, but age has nothing to do with what one knows.
One has to be willing to learn and not hindered by being narrow-minded.

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#12355 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Why would he believe them? He should read it IN CONTEXT for himself, then MAYBE he could see the truth...
Reminds me of the response in the teaching tale of Lazarus and the rich man.

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#12356 Apr 4, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I agree, it does.:)
Thank you for your link. I watched it and did enjoy it so.
For myself, I believe in God as our Creator and will always.
Where did everything come from/where and when did life itself begin?
For me, it is God, no matter where or when.
True, but the "how" of it all is there for our development and amusement.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12357 Apr 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Reminds me of the response in the teaching tale of Lazarus and the rich man.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Yup...

“No Allah: know peace”

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#12358 Apr 4, 2013
Isaiah 53 in depth...
http://noachieten.nl/messiahtruth.com/isai53a...
It goes into a verse by verse breakdown, and carefully explains exactly why it has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
Truth

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#12359 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Sigh. You know, I actually DO get tired of having to repeat myself, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
Wrong AGAIN.
Isaiah is NOT Messianic prophecy, it is a discussion of the trials and tribulations of the children of Israel. READ IT >>> IN <<< CONTEXT!
Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
NOT fulfilled.
Isaiah 49:3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
The Servant is Israel. Nor is this the first use of that imagery...
Isaiah 49:5-6

5 And now the Lord says—
<<<<<he who formed me in the womb to be his servant>>>>>
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord
and my God has been my strength—

6 he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
~~~~~I will also make ***YOU*** a ***LIGHT*** for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”~~~~~

Who is the YOU???

Who is the LIGHT???

HE WILL BRING SALVATION...

He has been called to be the Lord’s Servant.

His work has been difficult.

He will bring salvation to both Israel and Gentiles.

Kings and princes will arise and worship Him.

Who is the HE???

To whom will the Servant bring salvation? Who will worship Him?
- Both Israel and Gentiles
- Kings and princes
Truth

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#12360 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
Isaiah 53 in depth...
http://noachieten.nl/messiahtruth.com/isai53a...
It goes into a verse by verse breakdown, and carefully explains exactly why it has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
Isaiah 53:10-12

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because <<<<<he poured out his life unto death,>>>>>
and was numbered with the transgressors.
<<<<<For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.>>>> >

What would the Suffering Servant receive from all this?

The Lord would be pleased by His offering for sin.

The Lord would be satisfied by the Righteous Servant justifying many, bearing their iniquities.

The Lord would reward Him for bearing the sin of many, and interceding for the transgressors.

How can this have NOTHING to do with Jesus???

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#12366 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you believe in the theory of evolution and believe that man evolved from an ape or a gorilla does that mean that in some way apes and men are brothers?
The theory or evolution would say,“yes, in some ways men and apes are brothers.”
Things of the animal kingdom will reproduce after their own kind.
An ape will produce another ape.
A man and woman will produce another human and there is NEVER the possibility of producing something other than a human.
Many Creationist are stuck on the ape. Perhaps man evolved from an ape or some other being. The point is that plants and animals evolve through the process of natural selection and mutation, which is a proven fact. What about horses and donkey producing a mule? Ooops, you didn't think about that did you? What about closely related plants being combined and producing hybrid fruits? What about genetically engineered plants? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Truth

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#12368 Apr 5, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Many Creationist are stuck on the ape. Perhaps man evolved from an ape or some other being. The point is that plants and animals evolve through the process of natural selection and mutation, which is a proven fact. What about horses and donkey producing a mule? Ooops, you didn't think about that did you? What about closely related plants being combined and producing hybrid fruits? What about genetically engineered plants? You have no idea what you are talking about.
In 1912 Piltdown Man hit the headlines. Evidence of the evolutionary 'missing link' between apes and humans had been found, in England. For the next 40 years this momentous discovery influenced research into human evolution.

Then in 1953 Piltdown hit the headlines again, this time revealed as a hoax, a scientific fraud of shocking proportions. Who did it and why? Follow the story so far.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of...
Truth

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#12369 Apr 5, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Many Creationist are stuck on the ape. Perhaps man evolved from an ape or some other being. The point is that plants and animals evolve through the process of natural selection and mutation, which is a proven fact. What about horses and donkey producing a mule? Ooops, you didn't think about that did you? What about closely related plants being combined and producing hybrid fruits? What about genetically engineered plants? You have no idea what you are talking about.
After Piltdown

Across the world, fossil discoveries contradict the Piltdown evidence, instead suggesting that jaws and teeth became human-like before the evolution of a large brain.

1944 September 2: Smith Woodward dies shortly after dictating his book, The Earliest Englishman, to his wife.

1949 Kenneth Oakley runs flourine tests that reveal the Piltdown fossils are more like 50,000 than 500,000 years old.

1953 Joseph Weiner and Wilfrid Le Gros Clark join Oakley and discover the skull and jawbone come from entirely different species.

1953 November 21: The Natural History Museum announces Piltdown Man is a hoax.

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