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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12320 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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How many times a day must I write that you are wrong again?
There are no prophecies calling for the crucifixion of the Messiah, nor are there any prophecies that say that he will come, FAIL, and get to come back again for a second chance to get things right.
The Messiah can be recognized only because he has fulfilled all of the prophecies - he is recognized BECAUSE the prophecies have been fulfilled.
Is there peace in the world? Heck, let's look small, and say that the prophecy was ONLY for Israel and not the entire world. Is there everlasting peace in Israel? If the answer is no, then the prophecies have not been fulfilled. End of story, end of the possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
And, just because you say that I am wrong, it is true....

LOL......

I have been on this earth PROBABLY a lot longer than you have...
Reality Check

San Jose, CA

#12322 Apr 4, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
They (the churches) reap everything they sow.
Guess it just didn't work the way they wanted it to..
Indeed, Christians do reap what we sow. We sow truth and reap salvation. You atheists also reap what we sow. We sow truth and you reap the lake of fire. Kinda works out just the way we want it, you know, free will and all.
Reality Check

San Jose, CA

#12323 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Are you trying to deny the existence of dragons and unicorns? The Bible proves that they are real!!!!!!!!!!
And cockatrices too!
Are you trying to deny the existence of rats turning into humans and pigs who can fly, by turning into pigeons? The Origin of Specias proves that they are real!!!!!!!!!!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12324 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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How many times a day must I write that you are wrong again?
There are no prophecies calling for the crucifixion of the Messiah, nor are there any prophecies that say that he will come, FAIL, and get to come back again for a second chance to get things right.
The Messiah can be recognized only because he has fulfilled all of the prophecies - he is recognized BECAUSE the prophecies have been fulfilled.
Is there peace in the world? Heck, let's look small, and say that the prophecy was ONLY for Israel and not the entire world. Is there everlasting peace in Israel? If the answer is no, then the prophecies have not been fulfilled. End of story, end of the possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.
I will give it a try and maybe you will get it....

Buried in rich man's tomb.....

Isaiah 53:9

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Matthew 27:57-60

57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.

58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.

59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.

Fulfilled.....ABSOLUTELY!!!

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#12325 Apr 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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"exist" is problematic.
Can God create something which He cannot destroy utterly?
Snyper: ""exist" is problematic."

Is it?

Snyper:"Can God create something which He cannot destroy utterly?"

Let's hope so.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#12326 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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God personally and directly commanded and caused each step in creation.
He spoke and it occurred.
Psalm 33:6-9
6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea into jars;
he puts the deep into storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
9 For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
He was directly involved throughout, then rested only <after> all was created!
I love that fairy tale!
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#12327 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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I will give it a try and maybe you will get it....
Buried in rich man's tomb.....
Isaiah 53:9
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
Matthew 27:57-60
57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.
58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.
59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.
Fulfilled.....ABSOLUTELY!!!
Isaiah 53 is NOT about your Jesus. Ask the people who wrote it.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#12328 Apr 4, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed, Christians do reap what we sow. We sow truth and reap salvation. You atheists also reap what we sow. We sow truth and you reap the lake of fire. Kinda works out just the way we want it, you know, free will and all.
Really? And just how do you intend to verify your predictions? You plan on checking up on each of us in the after-life, do ya?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12329 Apr 4, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Concerning cosmological evolution, the Church has infallibly defined that the universe was specially created out of nothing. Vatican I solemnly defined that everyone must "confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing" (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5).
The Church does not have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, and planets we see today were created at that time or whether they developed over time (for example, in the aftermath of the Big Bang that modern cosmologists discuss). However, the Church would maintain that, if the stars and planets did develop over time, this still ultimately must be attributed to God and his plan, for Scripture records: "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host [stars, nebulae, planets] by the breath of his mouth" (Ps. 33:6).
Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.
Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions ... take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-e...
As Pope John Paul said:
"Truth cannot contradict Truth".
Which actually amounts to them saying, "Uh ... I dunno," and wiping the drool from their chins with their lace sleeves.

Ever see this really cool documentary about the Permian-Triassic (P-Tr) Extinction?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12330 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Both ARE great sacrifices.....
John 15:13
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
You're intentionally avoiding the obvious point.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12331 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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God personally and directly commanded and caused each step in creation.
He spoke and it occurred.
Psalm 33:6-9
6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea into jars;
he puts the deep into storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
9 For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
He was directly involved throughout, then rested only <after> all was created!
Psalms is NOT prophetic utterence, and that particular passage is called a "panagyric".

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12332 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13933-...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12333 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
It's good to note that you recognize that the "soul" is neither "immortal" of itself, and that there is no "eternal torment" in the future of anyone.

Now back to our grenade question ...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12334 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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David, John, and Peter confirm what Moses said in Gen. 1.
They do not take the accounts as legend or symbols.
They do not picture God as starting the basic process and then just letting it run.
Rather, they show God's personal involvement in each step and each thing created.
To reject this is to deny the whole Scriptures.
Not at all.

It rejects Biblicism.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12335 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Hmmmmmmmm.......
So you say and we are suppose to believe you over the Word of God....
Right!
You seem to accept the editorial agenda of Irenaeus of Lugdunum over reality.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12336 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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By that time, it will be too late for you....
Sick game.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12337 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Fear is almost always the driving force behind fundamentalist viewpoints. With religions like xianity, that fear may be based on the cognitive dissonance that is experienced when one tries to reconcile one's beliefs with the facts of what the Bible actually says, and then to reconcile that with the reality that the Bible does not always conform to the real world, especially in its description of things that the Bronze Age shepherds could not possibly have known about. Jesus may have been mystified about where wind comes from, but anyone that has a halfway decent science class back in grade school understands...
VERY fear-motivated and fear-based.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12338 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you believe in the theory of evolution and believe that man evolved from an ape or a gorilla does that mean that in some way apes and men are brothers?
The theory or evolution would say,“yes, in some ways men and apes are brothers.”
Things of the animal kingdom will reproduce after their own kind.
An ape will produce another ape.
A man and woman will produce another human and there is NEVER the possibility of producing something other than a human.
Not "from" ape". We are a KIND of ape.

Again, have fun with this documentary. I look forward to your thoughts.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12339 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Hmm, and that neatly dovetails in with evolution as "natural" selection and survival of the fittest.
Of course, as a friend of mine once pointed out, what is more impressive: a God that has to go "Poof" and do a magic trick for each and every species; or a God that goes "Poof" and magically creates a factory that then manufactures all of the necessary components for each step of the way to culminate in humans at the proper time without the need for further Divine intervention?
It was something to keep the angels amused and out of his hair, buzzing around like gnats "hosanna"-ing him all the time. Vicious little critters, angels. They LIKED the dinosaurs and natural disasters.

Think "ANIMAL PLANET".

One of them, the littlest one, started evolving a sense of compassion. Very un-angelic, indeed. Things got very ... uh ... controversial among the elohim. The compassionate one created a garden, and was determined to demonstrate that not all were brutes, tinkering with their brains.

We all know the rest of the story.

"Now the compassionate one wants to bring some of them into the house ?!?!"

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#12340 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Do you know who the Apostle Thomas was (aka doubting Thomas?)
John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples told him, <“We have seen the Lord!”>
But he (doubting Thomas) said to them, <<<“Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will NOT believe.”>>>
26 ~~~A week later~~~ his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were LOCKED, Jesus CAME and STOOD among them and said,“Peace be with you!”
27 Then he (Jesus) said to Thomas, <<<<<“PUT your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and PUT it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”>>>>>
28 Thomas said to him, <<<<<“My Lord and my God!”>>>>>
29 Then Jesus told him,“Because you HAVE seen me, you have believed; *****blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”*****
***This is Christians today, "blessed are those who HAVE NOT SEEN and YET HAVE BELIEVED."
**********
"So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."
**********
Jesus did not openly rebuke doubting Thomas for wanting to see the proof.
God is not going write out "I EXIST" in big letters across the sky to satisfy our skepticism.
He has provided ample testimony to His existence.
Faith does not exist in a vacuum.
Truth: "Jesus did not openly rebuke doubting Thomas for wanting to see the proof. "

Well, He did actually. Jesus mildly chastized Thomas for not believing He'd been resurrected until he saw for himself it was true. Thomas had to see to believe. So Jesus blessed those who believe WITHOUT seeing.. to gently rebuke Thomas for having had too little faith.

Truth: "God is not going write out "I EXIST" in big letters across the sky to satisfy our skepticism. He has provided ample testimony to His existence."

I'm not skeptical. I don't doubt that God Exists. Are you mixing me up with someone else, or do you talk at everyone you post to like they're unbeliever know-nothings?

Truth: "Faith does not exist in a vacuum".

With the possible exception of your's, not much does..

Truth: "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body."
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

That is exactly what I've been saying and you've persisted to contest.
Dead bodies are NOT raised from death. Moldering corpses don't get resurrected.
It's not a PHYSICAL, MATERIAL BODY that rises, it's SPIRIT. A spiritual body formed of spirit. A SPIRIT BODY. Not flesh. Not a bright shiny brand new physical body identical to the one we had in life. Not our cadaver, expertly refurbrished. NOT A healthy, young, beautiful body cloned from our dead one. A SPIRIT BODY. We rise in SPIRIT.
Now isn't that what I've been saying all along?
Yet here you are, still hot to trot, determined to disprove and correct me.
In all honesty though, I really did more enjoy than not, replying to you this time.








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