Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12298 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Let me know when you can get back to us AFTER you experience heaven. You have NO WAY to verify it. It is merely wishful thinking.
By that time, it will be too late for you....

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12299 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Resurrection....ABSOLUTELY!!!
Isaiah 26:19
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
And this is why the earliest xians were willing to believe in a resurrected Jesus; they thought that he was to be the first of many, NOT that there was something unique about him. Look too at Ezekiel and the dry bones coming together. Such things were to be a sign that the Messiah had come. Instead, all they got was Jesus, a wandering Jewish preacher who may have THOUGHT that he was the Messiah, or maybe his disciples thought that he was the one, but ultimately, he FAILED to fulfill the prophecies that would have shown him to be the real Messiah.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12300 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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No, sorry. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence for evolution...
It's 2013. I can't believe we're still having this conversation. Evolution is a FACT.
I heard on the news this morning that there are actually a measurable percentage of people that believe that there are shape shifting lizard men living among us, working to take over the government...

Remember, that the creotards will do ANYTHING to avoid learning science, and they also work hard to prevent anyone else from learning about science as well.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12301 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Thessalonians 4:14
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
This means we will be raised just as Jesus.
Oops. If that were true, then this Earth would be overflowing with dead people brought back to life...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12302 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Evolution weakens faith in God, undermines the arguments for God's existence, and is a fundamental tenet of all unbelievers.
All evidence for a believe in a God, any God, is purely subjective and requires a leap of faith, beyond available facts and logic. Which God a person believes in is based PURELY on chance and happenstance, the accidents of location of one's birth or the culture in which one grows up.

All evidence for accepting the reality of evolution is objective and testable and is totally independent of culture or religious upbringing.

If facts and their supporting evidence are enough to dislodge your god, it is time to rethink your religion...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12303 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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I think you're AFRAID to think for yourself.
Fear is almost always the driving force behind fundamentalist viewpoints. With religions like xianity, that fear may be based on the cognitive dissonance that is experienced when one tries to reconcile one's beliefs with the facts of what the Bible actually says, and then to reconcile that with the reality that the Bible does not always conform to the real world, especially in its description of things that the Bronze Age shepherds could not possibly have known about. Jesus may have been mystified about where wind comes from, but anyone that has a halfway decent science class back in grade school understands...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12304 Apr 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
In order to prove that the theory of evolution is false, one must prove that mutation and natural selection are untrue.
Good luck with that Jeff.
If you believe in the theory of evolution and believe that man evolved from an ape or a gorilla does that mean that in some way apes and men are brothers?

The theory or evolution would say,“yes, in some ways men and apes are brothers.”

Things of the animal kingdom will reproduce after their own kind.

An ape will produce another ape.

A man and woman will produce another human and there is NEVER the possibility of producing something other than a human.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12305 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And they all lived and died many centuries before scientific exploration gave us the actual mechanism by which life reached its current state.
To reject the creation myths in Genesis is to accept reality as an adult should be capable of doing...
Acts 14:15

15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

Evolution contradicts both science and the Bible, since it demands that dead matter must have sometime come to life.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12306 Apr 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Nope.
The Father commanded the Earth to bring forth ...
It did. It still does. Rampantly and without judgement.
The Father "prunes" the vine of life.
It's a good mechanism which fills every available niche for life forms, in every possible variety and variation ...
including gay people.
Hmm, and that neatly dovetails in with evolution as "natural" selection and survival of the fittest.

Of course, as a friend of mine once pointed out, what is more impressive: a God that has to go "Poof" and do a magic trick for each and every species; or a God that goes "Poof" and magically creates a factory that then manufactures all of the necessary components for each step of the way to culminate in humans at the proper time without the need for further Divine intervention?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12307 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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There is no proof of god's existence. There are mountains of proof for evolution. Are you going to deny the existence of fossils?
And another thing, just because something is in the Buybull doesn't make it true. Talking serpents and magical fruit? Give me a break! The sun stopped in the sky for about a day???? riiiiiiiiiight.....
Are you trying to deny the existence of dragons and unicorns? The Bible proves that they are real!!!!!!!!!!

And cockatrices too!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12308 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And this is why the earliest xians were willing to believe in a resurrected Jesus; they thought that he was to be the first of many, NOT that there was something unique about him. Look too at Ezekiel and the dry bones coming together. Such things were to be a sign that the Messiah had come. Instead, all they got was Jesus, a wandering Jewish preacher who may have THOUGHT that he was the Messiah, or maybe his disciples thought that he was the one, but ultimately, he FAILED to fulfill the prophecies that would have shown him to be the real Messiah.
Did you know that the crucifixion didn't exist when the prophecies were made???

Yet,

Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
Heather Marie

Portland, OR

#12309 Apr 4, 2013
Gay marriage and homosexuality itself (yes, that's what it's called – "gay" is a recent euphemism trying to make it more socially palatable) is either a sin or it's not, and that is up to God. All the human interpretation in the world won't change that! And if it is a sin, then it's between God and to the center. It is not up to the rest of us to enforce "our morals" – as determined by the way WE interpret the Bible – but it's up to each and every individual to determine for themselves whether what they are doing is wrong BY GOD'S STANDARDS NOT THEIRS and then act accordingly. If they're making a bad bed, they're going to actively in it for all eternity! That's why I don't concern myself, nor do I care about the whole gay issue – I don't go that way, therefore it doesn't affect me and I don't care.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12310 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Oops. If that were true, then this Earth would be overflowing with dead people brought back to life...
Our physical bodies, when lowered into the ground, are but empty shells no longer capable of sustaining our spirits.

Jesus once described the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as "whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanliness."

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12311 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you believe in the theory of evolution and believe that man evolved from an ape or a gorilla does that mean that in some way apes and men are brothers?
The theory or evolution would say,“yes, in some ways men and apes are brothers.”
Things of the animal kingdom will reproduce after their own kind.
An ape will produce another ape.
A man and woman will produce another human and there is NEVER the possibility of producing something other than a human.
Silly, ignorant child, the ancestor that man and apes evolved from is no longer around: BOTH humans and apes have continued evolving from the time (several million years ago) that we last shared a common ancestor.

Try and think about it: are you EXACTLY like either your father or mother? Or are you a little of both, with some characteristics that are not quite either of them? Unless you are an EXACT replica of one of them, you have just demonstrated evolution in action.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12312 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Acts 14:15
15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
Evolution contradicts both science and the Bible, since it demands that dead matter must have sometime come to life.
Wrong again.

Evolution does NOT say how life began. Abiogenesis is a completely separate science. The ONLY thing that evolution says is that over time, organisms with better adaptations will be selected over those with lesser adaptations. The accumulation of these adaptations gives rise to what we call evolution.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12313 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
All evidence for a believe in a God, any God, is purely subjective and requires a leap of faith, beyond available facts and logic. Which God a person believes in is based PURELY on chance and happenstance, the accidents of location of one's birth or the culture in which one grows up.
All evidence for accepting the reality of evolution is objective and testable and is totally independent of culture or religious upbringing.
If facts and their supporting evidence are enough to dislodge your god, it is time to rethink your religion...
Darwin wrote......

His book..... Origin Of The Species....

"Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms?"

end quote...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12314 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Did you know that the crucifixion didn't exist when the prophecies were made???
Yet,
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
How many times a day must I write that you are wrong again?

There are no prophecies calling for the crucifixion of the Messiah, nor are there any prophecies that say that he will come, FAIL, and get to come back again for a second chance to get things right.

The Messiah can be recognized only because he has fulfilled all of the prophecies - he is recognized BECAUSE the prophecies have been fulfilled.

Is there peace in the world? Heck, let's look small, and say that the prophecy was ONLY for Israel and not the entire world. Is there everlasting peace in Israel? If the answer is no, then the prophecies have not been fulfilled. End of story, end of the possibility that Jesus was the Messiah.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12315 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Darwin wrote......
His book..... Origin Of The Species....
"Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms?"
end quote...
Ohhh, guess what?

Wrong again.

Your quote mining fails because we do see innumerable transitional forms.

Hint, before you make a further fool of yourself, please learn something about biology.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12317 Apr 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Our physical bodies, when lowered into the ground, are but empty shells no longer capable of sustaining our spirits.
Jesus once described the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as "whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanliness."
And that is a good description of hypocrisy everywhere, even from the christians who preach from ignorance...

BTW, thanks for proving my point.:)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12318 Apr 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Silly, ignorant child, the ancestor that man and apes evolved from is no longer around: BOTH humans and apes have continued evolving from the time (several million years ago) that we last shared a common ancestor.
Try and think about it: are you EXACTLY like either your father or mother? Or are you a little of both, with some characteristics that are not quite either of them? Unless you are an EXACT replica of one of them, you have just demonstrated evolution in action.
same book....

Darwin says this:“Analogy would lead me to the belief that all animals and plants are descended from some <one> prototype.

All organisms start from a common origin.

From some low and intermediate forms both animals and plants have been developed.

All organic things which have ever lived on Earth may be <descended from some one primordial form.”>

end quote...

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