Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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...and look for my goddam glasses_ f--k I hate reading my post any THEN finding the typos

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Just wanted to say, fk you. Just wanted to say how much I don't care. Just want to say, Fk youuuu. This is from the bottom of my heart. Fk You. LMFAO
Your heart is pretty fk'ed up dude. You sound like a perv. did something horrible happen to you in childhood? Get some help.

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Thanks Sweetie, I think you're on to something
I do love the way you handled Fritz.......he's supposed to be some big shot lawyer who believes he knows how SCOTUS is going to rule.

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Just wanted to say, fk you. Just wanted to say how much I don't care. Just want to say, Fk youuuu. This is from the bottom of my heart. Fk You. LMFAO
You must care.....you took time to actually respond......lol!!!

Fools and idiots really need to check themselves.....lol!!!

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...and look for my goddam glasses_ f--k I hate reading my post any THEN finding the typos
I can't see the words on the monitor without having mine on.......something about old eyes......lol and I'm not even that old!!!

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Now in the above you have just proven you're a liar. You said you didn't lie and you just lied stating I said something I didn't say.
I have never stated "Kids kill themselves from to much love and support." Liar, liar, liar, pathetic liar.
Nice job, again.
Oh, yes you have. It was months ago, but we where talking about this same topic, and said that very thing. In fact you tried to say you personally knew a girl who killed herself because she was loved too much. it was one of your better crack moments. I'm willing to bet NoMo would remember this also because of just how stupid the statement was.
You said it.

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The one skill you have is bragging. And that isn't a skill when people ask for evidence of what you're bragging about to prove it's authenticity.
So try this one on Bible man. You don't believe prophets exist or will exist. John said two prophets will exist who will be killed. Seems John disagrees with you. And explain why these prophets will exist and what gets them killed.
I've answered this not that long ago. I don't say there weren't going to be any more prophets. I said that the LDS church has never had them, except false ones. And we know this from the messages they have given us. They deny the grace of Jesus Christ and have tried to replace it with a gospel message based on salvation based on works. That is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The two prophets mentioned will not appear until the time of the anti-Christ. It does not say they will be leading any church.
You don't think baptism by immersion is a necessary part of salvation. You don't think it's even important to do. But Jesus had it done and Jesus said do as I do. Where do you get off disagreeing with Jesus?
Getting wet has never saved anyone. water baptism is a ceremony telling the world you have changed you ways and are now following Christ. Jesus never set the requirement that it had to be by immersion. You can't show me one verse where he says it. "Where there is no law, there is no breaking of it." The thief on the cross was saved by his faith in Christ alone. He didn't climb down the cross, went to get baptized, and got back on. Jesus said he was going to be with him that day, not after he got baptized. The only required baptism is the baptism of the holy spirit.
The link worked for me. I clicked on it and went to it and pasted from it. lolol....
Don't side step my question. You said... "When I make a claim I back it up." You than stated ... "And who would be the ones doing the bullying in a city that is at least 60% LDS? Mormon kids who been taught to hate homosexuality." So prove your claim that all Mormon parents in Salt Lake City of all the Mormon kids that attend school teach their school children to hate homosexuals and thus are directly responsible for their kids bullying them verbally and physically. OR BE YOUR OWN LIAR. WAITING....
Since I didn't say it the way you posted it, I don't have to prove nothing.

You're such child sometimes. It really is pathetic.

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Just wanted to say, fk you. Just wanted to say how much I don't care. Just want to say, Fk youuuu. This is from the bottom of my heart. Fk You. LMFAO
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You must care.....you took time to actually respond......lol!!!
Fools and idiots really need to check themselves.....lol!!!
I'm responding to your avatar - very attractive!

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Are children better off in a heterosexual couple's home where there are regular beatings and rampant alcoholism, or a single parent household where the parent lacks adequate time and resources to provide as well as they'd like to for the children, or a same-sex couple household where the relationship is stable, there is no violence, no addiction, there is plenty of time spent with the children by at least one of the couple, and they have the resources to provide an excellent education for the children?
By the way, show us the studies that isolate heterosexuality and homosexuality as the only variables. Then, we'll have something to discuss. Good luck!
LowellGuy - I fully agree with your fair thinking. Straight or gay doesn't mean much, if anything, about the way some children turn out. Fine families (straight or gay) have sometimes produced some serial killers, while the opposite is sometimes true - some abused children have struggled and succeeded at moving past their terrible experiences and became outstanding citizens, role models, etc. As far as gay marriage becoming a "threat" to churches - I think that's a ridiculous and unfounded fear. Some people are far too insecure. If ever I join a church again, and I probably will not, it would be a congregation that treats gays and straights with equal respect and allows gays to have all the rights that straights do. THAT'S unconditional love, something the Catholic church sorely lacks.

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Oh, yes you have. It was months ago, but we where talking about this same topic, and said that very thing. In fact you tried to say you personally knew a girl who killed herself because she was loved too much. it was one of your better crack moments. I'm willing to bet NoMo would remember this also because of just how stupid the statement was.
You said it.
lolol.... I know what you're referencing...lol. And as usual you're memory is taking what I said out of context. I never said "To much love drives kids and or adults to suicide." Never said it.
I took the following from a web site giving information about suicide and dos and don'ts for someone displaying or has displayed suicide tendencies.
"But a suicidal person can be so sensitive, that ANYthing could set them off, even(someone)being nice and trying to help!"
Well that extends to being loved to much to.
The point I was making that you're taking out of context, is a person that is already depressed and deciding to take their life, even being loved to much can be the catapult for them to finally do it. Why? Because severely depressed people don't want to be loved and paid attention to when in their depression. That works against having a depressed state of mind that at present enables one to want to take their life. Get it?
There is no way I stated in any way or fashion someone was all happy and well and loved and cared for and woke up one day, suddenly depressed that they were to loved and cared for and instantly became depressed and killed them self. I never said any such thing.
Prove other wise if you can, I'd love to see that statement!

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I'm responding to your avatar - very attractive!
Thank you......you use to post up in the Catholic forum, right?

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I've answered this not that long ago. I don't say there weren't going to be any more prophets. I said that the LDS church has never had them, except false ones. And we know this from the messages they have given us. They deny the grace of Jesus Christ and have tried to replace it with a gospel message based on salvation based on works. That is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The two prophets mentioned will not appear until the time of the anti-Christ. It does not say they will be leading any church.
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Getting wet has never saved anyone. water baptism is a ceremony telling the world you have changed you ways and are now following Christ. Jesus never set the requirement that it had to be by immersion. You can't show me one verse where he says it. "Where there is no law, there is no breaking of it." The thief on the cross was saved by his faith in Christ alone. He didn't climb down the cross, went to get baptized, and got back on. Jesus said he was going to be with him that day, not after he got baptized. The only required baptism is the baptism of the holy spirit.
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Since I didn't say it the way you posted it, I don't have to prove nothing.
You're such child sometimes. It really is pathetic.
Are you fricking nuts?
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12
One of "the works" that Jesus did for righteousness was to be immersed in water by John the Baptist. Remember John the Baptist? The guy that was baptising Jews and who knows who else by immersion in the river Jordan?
The following comes from the web in a discussion of why Jesus was baptised in the river Jordan by John...
"Interestingly, in Matthew's Gospel, John the Baptist raised the same question as my questioner when he asked Jesus, "why do you come to me?" (Matthew 3:14) Jesus gives the cryptic answer, "Let it be so for now; for thus it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness." (Matthew 3:15)."
Did you hear Jesus's reply? "Let it be so for now; for thus it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness." (Matthew 3:15)."
And as Jesus said earlier, "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12"
Jesus was baptised in the river Jordan by immersion by John. Jesus did it for righteousness. Jesus said if we believe in him, we will also do the works he did. One of those works was being baptised by immersion.
And you find reasons to not do what Jesus said to do. You find reasons to challenge what he said to do. And you think that's the correct thing to do, to challenge what Jesus said as not being important to do. And you call yourself a Christian? You're not a Christian Jesus would recognize in my opinion. Why? Because you're part of that Christianity that decides what Jesus said to do as not being important to do. I'm sure he's not going to be entertained by that twisted logic.
By the way, you wouldn't know a prophet/apostle if they lived next door to you. Prophets/apostles are human. Humans sin and make mistakes like Peter and Judas who were leaders of his church and spoke by the power of God invested in them by God himself. That's why so few were part of Jesus's church when he was alive and after he died. The apostles were human and made human errors that many (as you) believed proved they weren't apostles or even men of God but lunatics. Peter's denial, Judas's lust for money, Thomas's doubting, Peter almost killing a man, the apostles hiding and breaking apart the church because they were being hunted. None of that impressed people than, that men doing and saying and acting as such were anything but men of God.
You think you know how to identify a false prophet but you have no idea of how to verify that someone is a prophet.

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FYI, Fritz Doll, no one is seeking the destruction of the nuclear family. What we seek is CO-EXISTENCE, the right for the individual involved put together the family structure of their choosing.
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Stop being such a totalitarian!
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Thank you......you use to post up in the Catholic forum, right?
This IS the Catholic forum, isn't it? I don't know of any other. And - you're welcome :)

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<quoted text>So, why do you agree with the filth that your ilks posts, so as Jaytard and Trothbait. Oh yeah, you post eqaul filth.
If homosexuality does not have a ausation factor in many gays as coming from childhood abuse, then you were never abused as a child, right?
You may not be lefthanded either, but most lesbians are lefthanded. Not genetic but a mututation and perversion, which causes sexual misfunction.
Did you know that most Down's Syndrome children also have sexual relationship dysfunctions. What makes you think your dysfunction is any different? It is not.
Barack Obama: lefty
John McCain: lefty
Bill Clinton: lefty
George H. W. Bush: lefty

OH MY GOD...they were all GAY!

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You are very funny. What person would separate children from the biological mother if she is doing a good job of raising those kids?
You must be kidding me right?
BTW, poster Jeff cannot be compared to either Lincoln or Douglass. He is just a worthless troll.
Kidding? Look, all I know is that Jeff produced evidence that single parenthood results in harm to children. Therefore, we must prevent that harm by removing them from single parent households as quickly as possible to reduce the chances of that harm taking place, if it hasn't already. Of course, protecting children from the abusive environment of single parenthood doesn't solve all of society's ills, but it will obviously solve most of them. Now, if we could only figure out how same-sex marriage factors into all this.

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Are you fricking nuts?
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12
One of "the works" that Jesus did for righteousness was to be immersed in water by John the Baptist. Remember John the Baptist? The guy that was baptising Jews and who knows who else by immersion in the river Jordan?
The following comes from the web in a discussion of why Jesus was baptised in the river Jordan by John...
"Interestingly, in Matthew's Gospel, John the Baptist raised the same question as my questioner when he asked Jesus, "why do you come to me?" (Matthew 3:14) Jesus gives the cryptic answer, "Let it be so for now; for thus it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness." (Matthew 3:15)."
Did you hear Jesus's reply? "Let it be so for now; for thus it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness." (Matthew 3:15)."
Yes, Jesus fulfilled all righteousness so that he can be worthy of paying the debt for those that didn't. That is why the thief on the cross was saved by his faith in Christ, not because he did had the right baptism. The thief was saved without water baptism at all.
And as Jesus said earlier, "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12"
Jesus was baptised in the river Jordan by immersion by John. Jesus did it for righteousness. Jesus said if we believe in him, we will also do the works he did. One of those works was being baptised by immersion.
He never said it had to be done exactly the way he did it. He never said that baptism had to be by immersion only, never.
And you find reasons to not do what Jesus said to do. You find reasons to challenge what he said to do. And you think that's the correct thing to do, to challenge what Jesus said as not being important to do. And you call yourself a Christian? You're not a Christian Jesus would recognize in my opinion. Why? Because you're part of that Christianity that decides what Jesus said to do as not being important to do. I'm sure he's not going to be entertained by that twisted logic.
I'm not telling anyone not to get baptized. I'm telling you that baptism the way the Methodists do it is just as legit as the way the Baptist do it. And Jesus never, ever said it had to be by immersion. Not once. He never "said" it, so you lie when you say "you're part of that Christianity that decides what Jesus said to do as not being important to do", you lie. But I'm saying that if a person dies without a chance to get baptized, he is saved by the blood of Christ anyway, without the water baptism. Proof, the thief on the cross.

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By the way, you wouldn't know a prophet/apostle if they lived next door to you. Prophets/apostles are human. Humans sin and make mistakes like Peter and Judas who were leaders of his church and spoke by the power of God invested in them by God himself. That's why so few were part of Jesus's church when he was alive and after he died. The apostles were human and made human errors that many (as you) believed proved they weren't apostles or even men of God but lunatics. Peter's denial, Judas's lust for money, Thomas's doubting, Peter almost killing a man, the apostles hiding and breaking apart the church because they were being hunted. None of that impressed people than, that men doing and saying and acting as such were anything but men of God.
You think you know how to identify a false prophet but you have no idea of how to verify that someone is a prophet.
I know if a prophet lived next door I wouldn't have to worry about him trying to screw my wife. I know he wouldn't give her fairy tales about angels with flaming swords threatening to kill them. I know he wouldn't set up a phoney bank to try to rip off the members. I know he wouldn't be teaching salvation by any other means then through the grace of Jesus Christ. He wouldn't break the Ten Commandments by lusting after my wife, and trying to marry her, then lie about it to cover his own butt. And they wouldn't teach that a perversion or an abomination is something a member had to do in order to be saved.

But you apparently will believe any pig who calls himself "prophet".

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