Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16103 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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#967 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Hon--you get the star for the most ridiculous statement for today:
"What predicates good parenting are values that are GENDER NEUTRAL." Get serious. Children need to see how a mom and dad relate to each and to them. They differences help children to be balanced in their lives. Remember: a man cannot be a mommy nor a woman a daddy. It is impossible.
The traditional family i.e. father (male) and mother (female) is the gold standard for the family. The foundations of civilization is based on them.
Supporting them is what we should be doing. Same sex marriage does not in least help.
Excuse me. Darling, but YOU once again are off-base: children need to see an example of a functional relationship between pair-bonded PEOPLE. IN YOUR OPINION one gender cannot be an appropiate guide to both, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND how a same sex couple in the dynamcs of their relationship intimacy convey they exact same dynamics of their heterosexual couterparts, YOU CANNOT CONCEIVE of how of how how a same-sex couple cannot fulfil the prerequsites of competent parents and role models, but that failure is not the lack of its existence, simply a failure on your part to grasp its reality. Hon, you get serious, and while you're at it put down your club, come out of your cave and walk in the light of the 21st century: this age of rigid heirarchy and power ranking according to gender is an anachronism, and so is the idea that your particular nuclear family construct is the only viable, the only correct,the only sucsessful family model that can be constructed.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#968 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Why would you follow your desires and not what you are physically designed for?
Now THAT was the most ridiculous line of the day (so far.)

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#969 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Your sexual desires are unnatural and they don't fit your plumbing. Just look at all the diseases associated with homosexuality.
Why would you follow your desires and not what you are physically designed for?
Sorry, you'd be wrong again.......my sexual attraction and desires are very natural for me and my "PLUMBING" fits just fine:-)

The diseases you claim are associated with homosexuality are also associated with heterosexuality......and I have NEVER had an STD in my entire life or adult life either!!!

Why would I force myself to be with a man just because you think it was what I was designed for? You are clueless about my design and you equate who I am strictly on a sexual level.....and there is far more to me than just sex and there is far more to my marriage than just desire and sex!!!!

Please stop dragging your knuckles on the ground and understand that not all men are physically designed to be with a woman and not all women are physically designed to be with a man!!!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#970 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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No lie. It is you who is lying. Look at the CDC stats.
"Gay and bisexual men — referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. CDC’s most recent data show that between 2006 and 2009,
the number of new infections that occur each year increased among young MSM — driven by an alarming 48 percent
increase among young, black MSM 13 to 29 years old. These data clearly show the urgent need to expand access to proven
HIV prevention programs for gay and bisexual men, and to develop new approaches to fight HIV in this population."
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/2012...
and round and round and round...

Encourage gay marriage, and those numbers get better.

But you won't - because you don't care about those numbers. You just use them to justify your bigotry and prejudice.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#971 Jan 26, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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No, they don't "need to." Plenty of kids with only one parent turn out just fine, and believe it or not, they figure out how to relate to the opposite sex!(Imagine! They must be much smarter than you.)
Ditto for kids with two parents of the same sex. Amazingly, they figure it out.
Nonsense. There is a lack in a child's life when they don't have each biological parent. Same sex parents can never model a balanced relationship that children need from their parents. A man cannot be a mom nor a woman a dad.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#972 Jan 26, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Now THAT was the most ridiculous line of the day (so far.)
How so? The man is complemented sexually by the woman and vice versa. That is natural. Same sex is not natural. They cannot complement each other sexually.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#973 Jan 26, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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and round and round and round...
Encourage gay marriage, and those numbers get better.
But you won't - because you don't care about those numbers. You just use them to justify your bigotry and prejudice.
Discourage homosexual practices to save lives. Reinforce traditional marriages so they can thrive. Its on their shoulders to bring the next generation into existence.
Quit being a bigot and get straight.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#974 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Nonsense. There is a lack in a child's life when they don't have each biological parent. Same sex parents can never model a balanced relationship that children need from their parents. A man cannot be a mom nor a woman a dad.
Again, you are wrong. I've seen many women do both the job of mother and father because they have had to. I've seen them raise strong sons, and great daughters.

You really need to come to reality.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#975 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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How so? The man is complemented sexually by the woman and vice versa. That is natural. Same sex is not natural. They cannot complement each other sexually.
If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't be happening so much. That is like claiming that being left handed isn't natural.

Since: Mar 07

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#976 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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No lie. It is you who is lying. Look at the CDC stats.
"Gay and bisexual men — referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. CDC’s most recent data show that between 2006 and 2009,
.....
Nothing there says that majority of gay folks engage in anal sex at all. Which they don't. Actually, it doesn't seem to mention anal sex. Half of the gay community isn't even mentioned at all.

The common denominator to passing a variety of STD's has ALWAYS been having unprotected sex.

That's also the prime cause of so many unwanted pregnancies - a dire social problems for the straight community.

My question would be why you are complaining about STD transmission while posting against gay folks marrying on a pro-marriage and family thread? If you were truly worrying about anyone contracting stds, you would supporting safer sex education for EVERYONE, and promoting monogamy and marriage for gay folks right along with promoting it for straight folks.

So, do you promote same sex marriage?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#977 Jan 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, you'd be wrong again.......my sexual attraction and desires are very natural for me and my "PLUMBING" fits just fine:-)
The diseases you claim are associated with homosexuality are also associated with heterosexuality......and I have NEVER had an STD in my entire life or adult life either!!!
Why would I force myself to be with a man just because you think it was what I was designed for? You are clueless about my design and you equate who I am strictly on a sexual level.....and there is far more to me than just sex and there is far more to my marriage than just desire and sex!!!!
Please stop dragging your knuckles on the ground and understand that not all men are physically designed to be with a woman and not all women are physically designed to be with a man!!!
What?? I'm clueless how the bodies of men and women are designed to sexually complement each other? Get serious. The norm is for sex is between a man and a woman and not between a same sex couple. The only natural way to procreate is with a male and female. That is what they are designed for.
It is unnatural for a 2 same sex people. There is natural way for this.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#978 Jan 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Again, you are wrong. I've seen many women do both the job of mother and father because they have had to. I've seen them raise strong sons, and great daughters.
You really need to come to reality.
Many single moms do their best but they can never make up for the loss of a father for their children. No mom can be a dad nor a dad a mom no matter how hard they try.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#979 Jan 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't be happening so much. That is like claiming that being left handed isn't natural.
Man has an incredible capacity to do that which is unnatural and hurts himself in the process. Just read the paper. Our prisons are full of people that do the unnatural.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#980 Jan 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Nothing there says that majority of gay folks engage in anal sex at all. Which they don't. Actually, it doesn't seem to mention anal sex. Half of the gay community isn't even mentioned at all.
The common denominator to passing a variety of STD's has ALWAYS been having unprotected sex.
That's also the prime cause of so many unwanted pregnancies - a dire social problems for the straight community.
My question would be why you are complaining about STD transmission while posting against gay folks marrying on a pro-marriage and family thread? If you were truly worrying about anyone contracting stds, you would supporting safer sex education for EVERYONE, and promoting monogamy and marriage for gay folks right along with promoting it for straight folks.
So, do you promote same sex marriage?
There is plenty of sex education in this country and look what it gets us: I million abortions a year, STD's and wrecked lives.
I promote traditional marriage. Same sex marriage will not work. Its a very bad idea.

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#981 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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How so? The man is complemented sexually by the woman and vice versa. That is natural. Same sex is not natural. They cannot complement each other sexually.
You again are wrong, but can't help yourself because you have been programmed to think only one way, but the fact remains that sexual intimacy is a small part of our lives like it is with most married heterosexual couples........and we compliment each other just fine:-)

Do you really need a sex education class on this? or will you learn to understand that we know more about our lives, than you do? Somehow, I doubt you will understand any of this!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#982 Jan 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Bull crap and liar. You know very little of the Bible. You proved that over and over and over. And you seldom if ever link a source to what you claim.
I've been able to whip your butt on every biblical issue, giving plain spoken verses to refute your ignorant claims. LOL!!!
Next, I posted a quote from the web. If the link doesn't work, shade half of it and hit "search Google" and you be taken to links.
Can't get a link right, huh?
Next, you'll have to supply actual reliable sources to prove Mormon parents, not active and active parents are the only parents teaching homosexual hate to Mormon kids. You didn't include proof. And you did state... "When I make a claim I back it up." You claim Mormon parents, that would be all Mormon parents of all Mormon kids who attend Utah schools teach their kids to hate homosexuals. You didn't say some or a few or many or 50% you said... "And who would be the ones doing the bullying in a city that is at least 60% LDS? Mormon kids who been taught to hate homosexuality." By the way, the bullying happens through out Utah, not just Salt Lake City so get your information correct.
So prove your statement or be your own liar :)
The percentages of Mormons among the the population only goes higher outside of SLC and Ogden. You only have to have commonsense enough to see the source of the bigotry to understand where the bigotry comes from.

People who aren't blinded by cult thinking have no problem seeing cause and effect. Your desire to live in La-la land is your problem, not mine.

You are the one who seriously try to claim that kids kill themselves from too much love and support. Pathetic.

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#983 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Many single moms do their best but they can never make up for the loss of a father for their children. No mom can be a dad nor a dad a mom no matter how hard they try.
There doesn't necessarily NEED to be a father in a young child's life, just a person who can provide a positive male role model, like a grandfather, an uncle or even a male friend!!!!

The same applies with regards to a mother!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#984 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Many single moms do their best but they can never make up for the loss of a father for their children. No mom can be a dad nor a dad a mom no matter how hard they try.
Many moms do their best and are successful. The goal of any parent is to raise their children to be healthy, happy, and successful. Many single moms have done that. That is a fact.

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#985 Jan 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What?? I'm clueless how the bodies of men and women are designed to sexually complement each other? Get serious. The norm is for sex is between a man and a woman and not between a same sex couple. The only natural way to procreate is with a male and female. That is what they are designed for.
It is unnatural for a 2 same sex people. There is natural way for this.
You're clueless because you believe that ALL MEN AND WOMEN FUNCTION THE SAME and they don't!!!

Awww, that's what this always boils down to....the procreative action.....well, guess what, people can procreate without getting married and married couples can have sex for pleasure without procreating and some can't naturally procreate because of other issues like being infertile or sterile or some other issue, but we don't prevent them from marrying!!!

Again, whatever you believe can ONLY be applied to you and those who believe as you do, but Gays and Lesbians don't have to fit into your world. They have the right to be out, proud and should be allowed to marry who they chose to:-)

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#986 Jan 26, 2013
Oscar Wilder One wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain why full grown adult gays MUST be encouraged to be monogamous for health reasons, when 80% of AIDS infesting gays should be enough.
If gays must be encouraged to not be self destructive with AIDS and STDS and to stop suicide, then you admit that homosexuality is a mental sexual decomposing psychological disease.
First of all your figures: 80% of what what sub-set with the context of what of total number? Urban or Rural? What geographic locale? Patients or non-patients? Exactly what generates the data? NUMBES ARE MEANNGLESS WITHOUT CONTEXT. I have pointed out again and again one the elephants in the room that you and Jeff neither one want to look at as a factor in generating those numbers: who and what is the greatest HIV vector- young urban, impoverished blacks, and exactly what are the mitigating social factors that are contributing to that particular vectors rise in new HIV cases: that of poverty and the mindset that poverty generates, the breakdown in human interactions it fosters. The adherence to conservatism as a substitute for material security and the homophobia that is so much a part of balck culture--and speaking as a black urban lesbian I can tell you about it first hand. You also need to factor in the vector of intraveneous drug use rather than sexually transmetted in all your groups. I point a finger at YOU and the fact that people like YOU want to create the worst possible environment for people then point the finger of condemnation when they fail to act in a functional manner. It's a dirty little game that has been played through history and against many groups and enthnologies. The example of history also shows us that when these groups are no longer persecuted by law and the vigilanism of social opinion, when they are no longer psychologically hindered by culturally induced self-loathing, ALL these people within their ranks became a relfection of what would find in a sampling of members of society as a whole. Unfortunately the black underclass has been firmly established by the decades of bigotry and might be a permanence legacy and we'll al pay the price for your ethically criminal behavior.

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