Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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"George Rekers is a major anti-gay figure that has worked against equality and tried to "cure" LGBT people for more than thirty years. A former University of South Carolina professor, Rekers is a founder of the Family Research Council, a former board member of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), and he testified as an expert witness in favor of gay adoption bans in both Arkansas and Florida. In both states, the courts deemed Rekerís testimony biased and untrustworthy.

Rekers has also published several anti-gay books, including, "Shaping Your Child's Sexual Identity" and "Growing Up Straight: What Every Family Should Know About Homosexuality."

In May, reporters Penn Bullock and Brandon K. Thorp of the Miami New Times discovered that Rekers took a male escort that he met on Rentboy.com to Europe. According to the escort, Rekers "likes younger guys to hang out with."

At first, Rekers said he only hired the young man to "lift his luggage". However, after people doubted his story, Rekers changed his tune, claiming he was only trying to convert sinners to Christianity." http://liftmyluggage.org/about-reckers.html
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Homosexual 'marriage' isn't what divides churches. It is the choice of whether to follow the Bible or not. Grantd, the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of termns.
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<quoted text>Why don't you post the section.
Because I want to show the entire site what ignorant dishonest scum you are.. I want YOU to post it so you can rub your OWN nose in it and wallow in the crap you so enjoy throwing around here at others.. I want YOU to SELF incriminate!

Its a cryin shame that you are such a big coward when the table gets turned and you get burned. But then again, that what liars and dishonest people eventually suffer.

I'm not about to incriminate or expose you! I already did.. YOU'LL have to do it all by yourself and the fear you've just displayed speaks VOLUMES!

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The reality is, gay people continue to form families, as they have been doing across time and place, and some choose to raise children, either adopted or biologically related to one or both partners.

The question then becomes, are we going to accept reality and encourage strong, committed relationships around the shared values of family, fidelity, and responsibility, with the help of friends, family, and the government, or is it in the best interest of society to make laws that attack and demean such relationships, causing unjustified harm to those couples and their children.

There is no legitimate governmental interest served by denial of equal treatment under the laws currently in effect for straight couples. Straight couple families gain nothing, and same sex couple families are harmed needlessly.

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<quoted text>Only luLu Ford, count your stars suicide is a gay thing and you survived a nothing night. Now, get off that puppies nuts. HAHAHAHA....the best thing about you gay is that you starve for attention, so you even come here to get smcked with truth.
All gays are pedophiles, some just try to hide it. Chickens and Chicken Hawks. Harry Hay and Harvey Milks. Pedos and mental illness.
Thanks. I was right.

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Thanks. I have a couple of moderated sites I like where the irrational hate trolls are not allowed, and only civil discussions take place. Most reasonable people however, don't persist in promoting false and irrational excuses once the fallacy has been demonstrated. So, I'm back to toxic topix.
NYE I enjoy reading your posts and hope you will continue to post on topix.
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It was a sacrifice of a specific persons life, that is true. He knew he had to sacrifice his life for others that is true. But the 'human sacrifice' angle comes from just one of two perspectives. And when it happened, most didn't see the death of a guy named Jesus from Nazareth as a human sacrifice any more than they viewed the deaths of the two other men as human sacrifices.
So the spin is on the few, not the most :)
Um.... excuse me.... Aren't you forgetting about sacrifices that God demanded of the Jews? Jesus was supposed to be the forever substitutue for those sacrifices. Don't you know anything about christianity? Christians worship this human sacrifice and even have rituals of drinking his blood and eating his body to remind them. They even have a holiday that celebrates his murder.

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"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama

Yet treating others with respect and equality does not require any religious belief. Non-theistic ethical and philosophic systems, like Humanism and Ethical Culture, believe in equality, fairness, and respect for others. While all beliefs have differences, all major religions, ethical systems, and philosophies agree that each person should treat others as they would themselves. Almost all of these groups have passages in their holy texts, or writings of their leaders, which promote this Ethic of Reciprocity. The most commonly known version in North America is the Golden Rule of Christianity. It is often expressed as "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you." Or in "natural law": that "no man require to reserve to himself any right, which he is not content should be reserved to every one of the rest".

Not only is refusing to treat others as you would yourself a violation of every major ethical belief system, it is a violation of the promise of equality in the founding documents and required by the 5th and 14th amendments.

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Sir Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>It may have been his words, but it is you who are arguing against it. It is up to you to provide the links to the contrary. In fact, it appears that you do not know the meaning of the words and terms. In this case, the bilateral destruction of the amygdala is also the source and cause of many boundary issues. I see you here back pedaling and it is because you are way over your head.
You hver simply proven that you are foolish and despie what evidence you receive, you will go the route of gay suicie and AIDS and pretend that some bully in Saudi Arabia pushed you to it.
But, I'm not gay.:(

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Homosexual 'marriage' isn't what divides churches. It is the choice of whether to follow the Bible or not. Grantd, the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of termns.
The choice of whether to follow the Bible or not to is based on what that pastor and members accept/reject concerning social customs.
Slavery was the first social issue to divide Christian churches. The Bible supported it and Christians practised slavery but modern social customs were going against the practice. Church against church in the end.
The same thing happened when interracial marriage was fought for. The same thing happened when laws for discrimination/segregation were fought against.
Now rights for homosexuality is being fought for and it's church against church as some are relenting to agreeing to homosexuality and others don't.

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<quoted text>The lesson learned from the book is that the homosexual demand for the "right" to adopt children or bring them into the same-sex relationship by way of medical technology on the basis that they are supposedly equally good parents as heterosexuals, is a fraud......
My kids disagree with you.

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<quoted text>....... All of this, the Bolshevik Masonic globalists are out to sabotage. Society is in the grip of a long-term satanic conspiracy masquerading as "progressive " which is attempting to concentrate all wealth in the hands of the central bankers and their allies. They are re-engineering the human race to serve them in a neo feudal world order.
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No, it's just about love, commitment, and family.
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Um.... excuse me.... Aren't you forgetting about sacrifices that God demanded of the Jews? Jesus was supposed to be the forever substitutue for those sacrifices. Don't you know anything about christianity? Christians worship this human sacrifice and even have rituals of drinking his blood and eating his body to remind them. They even have a holiday that celebrates his murder.
No, I didn't forget about 'animal sacrifice' God commanded of the Israelites. He didn't command 'human sacrifices'. And if Israelites did do human sacrifices, it was of their own doing, not a commandment.
And Jesus was never literal about drinking his blood and eating his flesh. Because if he was literal about it, he couldn't have been resurrected because his disciples would have been drinking the blood they bled from his dead body and they would have been eating it's flesh for sacraments. And when they ran out of his blood and flesh they would have had no way to carry out the commandment to drink his blood and eat his flesh as a substitute would never replace the real thing.
Jesus sacrificed himself by being a martyr for his beliefs. So call it a human sacrifice or whatever tunes your motor. The NT states he sacrificed his life for those that would believe in him. His dying a martyr does nothing for those that don't believe.
So as I stated, calling his death a human sacrifice would be applicable if those killing him, were killing him to sacrifice him as a human sacrifice for some god or religious cause.
He was killed as a criminal, not as a human sacrifice. So spin it all you want :)
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<quoted text>So, you are a homophobe who denies that you are gay. Or, is it that you havejust night tried to anal plunge thing. I mean, you never know until you try it unless you are a homophobe or a moral person.
I'm a homophobe who supports same-sex marriage? Really? Do you hear yourself?
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No, I didn't forget about 'animal sacrifice' God commanded of the Israelites. He didn't command 'human sacrifices'. And if Israelites did do human sacrifices, it was of their own doing, not a commandment.
And Jesus was never literal about drinking his blood and eating his flesh. Because if he was literal about it, he couldn't have been resurrected because his disciples would have been drinking the blood they bled from his dead body and they would have been eating it's flesh for sacraments. And when they ran out of his blood and flesh they would have had no way to carry out the commandment to drink his blood and eat his flesh as a substitute would never replace the real thing.
Jesus sacrificed himself by being a martyr for his beliefs. So call it a human sacrifice or whatever tunes your motor. The NT states he sacrificed his life for those that would believe in him. His dying a martyr does nothing for those that don't believe.
So as I stated, calling his death a human sacrifice would be applicable if those killing him, were killing him to sacrifice him as a human sacrifice for some god or religious cause.
He was killed as a criminal, not as a human sacrifice. So spin it all you want :)
Right. God, according to the Bible, only commanded one human sacrifice (if I took a hit out on my wife but paid the assassin not to do it at the last minute so I could tell her how merciful I had been, would that be cool?), he did accept them in exchange for favors. See also: Jephthah. I should think a moral omniscient being would rather not entertain such bargains.

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Right. God, according to the Bible, only commanded one human sacrifice (if I took a hit out on my wife but paid the assassin not to do it at the last minute so I could tell her how merciful I had been, would that be cool?), he did accept them in exchange for favors. See also: Jephthah. I should think a moral omniscient being would rather not entertain such bargains.
Umm, God didn't require a sacrifice. God didn't say make a human sacrifice. Jephthah set the guide lines for what would take place, not God.
Next we have the following to contend with which forbid human sacrifices...guess Jephthah was an exception to the rule for following commandments? Hmm?
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
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10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
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We also have God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. God wanted to know if Abraham would sacrifice his only son to a cause as he was allowing Jesus to sacrifice his life for humanities. But at the last moment God did what? He stopped Abraham from sacrificing a human life.
If God was so into human sacrifices, I doubt he'd have made a commandment against the practice and he surly wouldn't have stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son. So that leaves the story to be questioned.

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<quoted text>The lesson learned from the book is that the homosexual demand for the "right" to adopt children or bring them into the same-sex relationship by way of medical technology on the basis that they are supposedly equally good parents as heterosexuals, is a fraud. Vulnerable children need both a father and a mother to love and protect them. They should not be used as instruments of social experimentation by narcissistic needy individuals who seek their sexual gratification and their identities outside the traditional family.(Reality, Jan-Feb. 2009, p 10) Although she is Canadian, the Canadian media has sandbagged her book.(In contrast, conservative outlets in the US and Australia have interviewed her.) The taxpayer-funded CBC spews pro same-sex parenting propaganda and is not expected to be "balanced. " But Stefanowicz is told to give the "other side of the story." It's a case of, my belief is free speech and your belief is "hate." The truth is that "balanced " is when both sides are allowed to be heard. LESBIAN ADOPTION zackstory.jpgThe most common type of same sex parenting is by two lesbians. Dr. Dean Byrd, a psychiatrist testified that the "research clearly demonstrated that lesbian mothers had a feminizing effect on their sons and a masculinizing effect on their daughters. Boys raised by lesbian mothers behaved in less traditionally masculine ways, and girls, particularly adolescent and young girls raised by lesbian mothers, appear to have been more sexually adventurous and less chaste." A picture is worth a thousand words. Look at Zack (left) a boy raised by two mommies. Dr. Byrd continued, "Children learn about male and female differences through parental modeling. The parental, mother-father relationship provides children with a model of marriage--the most meaningful, enduring relationship that the vast majority of individuals will have during their lives." Girls need their father's approval to affirm their femininity and to eventually establish a bond with a man. Boys also need their father's example to grow into strong independent men capable of leading families. All of this, the Bolshevik Masonic globalists are out to sabotage. Society is in the grip of a long-term satanic conspiracy masquerading as "progressive " which is attempting to concentrate all wealth in the hands of the central bankers and their allies. They are re-engineering the human race to serve them in a neo feudal world order.
What up Doc?

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<quoted text>ay suicides, gay child abuse, gay drug abuse, gay AIDS cases, and gay mental illnesses. Would you care to post all the statistics or are your lies about being married sufficient evidence of the above?
What the Hell are you talking about??
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<quoted text>The only problem is that you are mentally ill and sick and your dad satan was stupid enough to think he could defeat God. The thing about it all was that in order for God to be substituted as the sacrifice, your dad satan had to be blind and dumb enough to make the trade.
Don't worry if your daddy, satan, who is way smarter than you, could not figure it out, then you will never.
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