Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against ...

Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16103 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#496 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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This is actually one of the most messed up posts I've ever read in all my years on topix.
He is sad, isn't he? So much self loathing, and self hatred, all in defense of a church that has rejected him and doesn't want him. He was a Mormon for 3 moths before they kicked him out. That is one of the shortest periods of membership I've ever heard of for having the LDS church kick someone out.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#497 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You don't realize how illogical your thinking is. You think it logical to blame a tithing member of the Mormon church for a gay child's death by suicide?
That "church" prompts no one to kill themselves. That's just an out right vicious statement made out of anger and stupidity.
Nooo, they just teach their kids that they would rather them come home in a casket than for them to lose their chastity, and that is the message for LDS kids having straight sex.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#498 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I don't use this phrase very often but you're proving to be a real whack job minus information.
Nonsense as usual? So rights for homosexuals today aren't based on beliefs opposing homosexual rights that have been around for a couple thousand years, that's your whacko belief of nonsense?
So rights against slavery aren't based on laws for slavery that have been around for thousands of years? That's your whacko belief of nonsense?
So the idea this country is founded on, the separation of church and state, that's not based on the accepted idea of church being state that was around for thousands of years to? That's your whacko belief of nonsense?
That rights of interracial marriage, that's not based on laws against it that have been around for to long to remember, just in this country alone? That's some more of your whacko nonsense?
Just what don't you read? You are proving to be really, really ill-informed about things most kids are learning in middle school.
Ummm...no, stupid. That's not what "based on" means. And you are undermining your own argument.

No, "the rights of interracial marriage" are not "based on" laws against it. They are contrary to laws against it.

Using this "logic," I can discredit your original argument that gay marriage rights are somehow invalid because of historic law, or whatever similar nonsense you spewed. We'll just say new laws about the rights of gay marriage are "based on" laws against it.

You are the champion of being unable to follow a thread. That means, you say A, other people reply B, but instead of arguing B in the context of A, you take C out of context from B and go off on a tangent Z which makes no sense to the discussion?

Know why?

Stupid.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#499 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Nonsense because you pathetically believe the deaths of gay Mormon kids are my fault and the fault of Mormon parents. That's not nonsense, that's whacko thinking 101 you prove to be specializing in very well :)
I know you don't want to be your fault, but it is.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#500 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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It's actually quite illogical and very ill in thinking to even state that anyone would put out a message that would as you put it... "..ultimately encourage gay kids to kill themselves.."
Your statement can be used on your own beliefs you know. You send out a message to little children to come out of a closet and be a homosexual. To soon to much and they kill themselves over the stress.
You're at fault. You sent forth the encouraging message for children to be something they aren't ready to become because you think they should be that thing. They kill themselves not succeeding. Your fault. Accept responsibility.
Yes, it is illogical, and yet you and your church and other churches continue to do it anyway.

And no, no matter how much you try to twist things to rationalize your negligence and try to turn it around on us, you can't get away with that, except in your own twisted mind.

That's like saying the person who encouraged you to go for a walk in the park is responsible for the serial killer who kills you in the park.

Stupid b.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#501 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Its coming. We already have seen the polygamist trying to justify their marriages like the gays are. The door is open.
Proof?

And what makes you think they have a better argument after gay marriages are legal? Heterosexual polygamy is nothing like gay marriage. Stupid.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#502 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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In Lowell' case, yes....lol
Laugh all you want. You're not qualified or authorized to teach anybody anything.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#503 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...so much grey material and you use so little.
Be it incorrect when spelled, there is a phrase as "deep seeded". When purposefully spelled as such as I used it, it's usually used in a metaphorical meaning as I explained.
It makes no sense to write that something is "deep seated" in the mind if the word "seated" is used. Seated has absolutely no meaning to depth. Deep and seated are two of those words that actually contradict each other by definition when used together. So "deep seated thoughts" is more of an irrational and illogical phrase than "deep seeded thoughts".
By the way, explain if there is no such phrase why Google has over 2 million hits for your non-existent phrase and why people use that non-existent phrase daily?
And this ends our discussion.

I can't debate someone who won't play by the rules and makes up her own language.

That's like saying it's OK to use "supposably" instead of "supposedly" because so many people misuse it and you can find it on google.

You make up your own words and you live in your own made-up world.

And you're obviously not bright.

Epic fail.

And you're gay. You really really should deal with that.

"deep seeded." Fricking stupid b. And then actually digs in on it after being corrected. Unbelievable.

You are unworthy of further dialogue.

Next.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#504 Jan 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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He is sad, isn't he? So much self loathing, and self hatred, all in defense of a church that has rejected him and doesn't want him. He was a Mormon for 3 moths before they kicked him out. That is one of the shortest periods of membership I've ever heard of for having the LDS church kick someone out.
Wow, it's a guy? All this time I've been reading his posts as female for some reason.

Yeah, this person is messed up and seriously needs therapy. There is no doubt in my mind he is here filling some psychological need, trying to convince himself or whatever. What a mess. On the one hand, I can relate - on the other hand, it's something I've overcome, so it annoys me that he's still like that, still thinks he's bisexual, still condemning himself via bibles, etc. It shows a distance from and lack of understanding of God/religion. Life is so much better when you get to the other side of that.

In the meantime, he's just annoying, especially with refusal to concede any point, even misuse of the English language, which I simply can't tolerate.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#505 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Nonsense because you pathetically believe the deaths of gay Mormon kids are my fault and the fault of Mormon parents. That's not nonsense, that's whacko thinking 101 you prove to be specializing in very well :)
They are.. if you happen to BE a moron or believe that moron cult crap! oops I mean mormon. Are you a mormon?
yes or no..
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#506 Jan 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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The phrases "deep seeded hate", "deep seeded anger" and "deep seeded violence" states what it says. That is why people phrase those statements like that with the word "seeded", to imply something embedded deep in one's mentality like a seed planted more deeply than other seeds are planted. Do you need any more explanations?
Not all Mormons vote against same sex marriage and rights for homosexuality. But if you understood that, you wouldn't have erroneously stated... "I dislike them..., and they overstepped their bounds interfering in my marriage, including but not limited to the prop 8 case."
The fact is that the majority of people voting against same sex marriage and homosexual rights aren't Mormons. But since you like Dana have no other group of civilians to crucify for using their rights as US citizens to vote their conscious, you tag Mormons as a matter of convenience.
And you don't read because of your personal agendas concerning homosexuality. I compared homosexuality, adultery, abortion, drugs etc because the Mormon doctrine frowns/teaches against them all right across the board. One is taught against more than the others. The literature is almost the same on all matters. They believe them to be wrong and incorrect ways to live if one is following the laws and ways of Jesus Christ.
Adulterers seldom commit suicide over their actions that is true. But a homosexual child urged to be themselves by pro homosexuals enter a lion's den of negative reactions they are not mentally equipped to handle. After years of suffering negative responses by family friends and strangers the stress drives them to kill themselves.
The phrase is deep SEATED, you illiterate putz.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#507 Jan 23, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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The phrase is deep SEATED, you illiterate putz.
Thank you!!
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#508 Jan 23, 2013
madscot wrote:
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But it soon became apparent that Reconstruction would not survive long enough to become a turning point in the history of miscegenation law. As Reconstruction collapsed in the late 1870s, legislators, policymakers, and, above all, judges began to marshal the arguments they needed to justify the reinstatement--and subsequent expansion--of miscegenation law.
Here are four of the arguments they used:
1) First, judges claimed that marriage belonged under the control of the states rather than the federal government.
2) Second, they began to define and label all interracial relationships (even longstanding, deeply committed ones) as illicit sex rather than marriage.
3) Third, they insisted that interracial marriage was contrary to God's will, and
4) Fourth, they declared, over and over again, that interracial marriage was somehow "unnatural."
http://hnn.us/articles/4708.html
Let's take your fourth point and apply it for today. Same sex marriages are unnatural. They have never happened as a norm for any society. Homosexual sex is unnatural because the body was not made to complement same sex. Its unnatural in the way that it destroys the body via diseases that result from it.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#509 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Proof?
And what makes you think they have a better argument after gay marriages are legal? Heterosexual polygamy is nothing like gay marriage. Stupid.
If we are going to redefine what marriage is (between a man and a woman) then it can be defined anyway we want it to be. That's polygamy, group marriages and even a father marrying his daughter are all on the table. I agree this is stupid. Same sex marriage is stupid.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#513 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Wow, it's a guy? All this time I've been reading his posts as female for some reason.
Yeah, this person is messed up and seriously needs therapy. There is no doubt in my mind he is here filling some psychological need, trying to convince himself or whatever. What a mess. On the one hand, I can relate - on the other hand, it's something I've overcome, so it annoys me that he's still like that, still thinks he's bisexual, still condemning himself via bibles, etc. It shows a distance from and lack of understanding of God/religion. Life is so much better when you get to the other side of that.
In the meantime, he's just annoying, especially with refusal to concede any point, even misuse of the English language, which I simply can't tolerate.
He is a great demonstration of the power of brain washing. He reminds me of the black men who fought in the Confederate Army.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#514 Jan 23, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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When you get time, you two Fa$$ots can su:ck each others DlCK.
You're a sad excuse for a human being, and a coward to boot.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#515 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Let's take your fourth point and apply it for today. Same sex marriages are unnatural. They have never happened as a norm for any society. Homosexual sex is unnatural because the body was not made to complement same sex. Its unnatural in the way that it destroys the body via diseases that result from it.
You call it "unnatural" yet I wonder how many girl on girl videos you've watched over the years. Gay people have throughout the ages built lifelong relationships with their partners. That is a marriage. There have been gay people as long as there have been human beings, and no laws has ever gotten them to stop being who they were. They may have gone underground for their protection, but they have always been here.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#516 Jan 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You call it "unnatural" yet I wonder how many girl on girl videos you've watched over the years. Gay people have throughout the ages built lifelong relationships with their partners. That is a marriage. There have been gay people as long as there have been human beings, and no laws has ever gotten them to stop being who they were. They may have gone underground for their protection, but they have always been here.
A marriage is more than a friendship. 2 same sex people can have a healthy relationship that does not involve sex with each other and it is not a marriage.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#517 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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A marriage is more than a friendship. 2 same sex people can have a healthy relationship that does not involve sex with each other and it is not a marriage.
They can, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about two gay people who are soul mates, in bed and out of bed. People who have made a commitment to each other for life. That is a marriage.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#518 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Let's take your fourth point and apply it for today. Same sex marriages are unnatural. They have never happened as a norm for any society. Homosexual sex is unnatural because the body was not made to complement same sex. Its unnatural in the way that it destroys the body via diseases that result from it.
Skipped Logic for 1st Graders, eh?

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