Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2752 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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And yes, they are liars.
If you put gay porn on in front of them, they would get aroused. Guaranteed.
Straight men don't.
You can't change your sexual orientation and God won't change it for you.
Born Again needs a brain transplant. His is OBVIOUSLY defective.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2754 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony
Romans 1 tells us that our voices would fall on death ears. That is why God has allowed you to believe your own lie that you are okay. It is called God turning you over to a reprobate mind. Thing is a husband and husband cannot have sex unless it is perverted sex. Man and women are made to have sex together that is why their genitals are different. To bad you are so deceived you cannot even see this.
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Isn't funny that rabid homophobes only whine about men doing each other?????

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2756 Feb 2, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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I'm still confused that you are claiming to be the standard by which to determine if a person can change their sexual orientation based on your failure to do so. When did science appoint you the determiner of the inability to change? The fact, is that there are many many ex-homosexuals who have changed.
If you were truly trusting God you would repent of your practice of homosexuality and warn others of the dangers of it. Until you do so all you are doing is deceiving yourself.
Here are the "dangers" of it:

I've lived a wonderful life. I met and married a wonderful man. We have a beautiful home, I love my in-laws, my Grandma adores Brian, which means a lot to me, and so does the rest of my family.

If there's a downside, I'm still waiting for it after nearly 6 years of marriage.

So I'm very happy to tell the truth of my life to others. It's a great example.

All your generalizations and exaggerations and studies...can't do anything to make a dent in that.

And our biggest health issues are that he has been type I diabetic since age 10, and my father died of a heart attack at age 45, so I have to keep an eye on that.

And yes, it is entirely logical and reasonable to assume that if I, a 12 year old boy, a "goodie goodie" in every sense of the word, much more in tune with and interested in God than your average little kid, couldn't change through the next 12 years of prayers so desperate they would break your heart, who kept thinking "maybe this year..." yes I am quite comfortable in stating it is impossible to change, and God won't change you no matter how long you pray and no matter how badly you want it. There is no such thing as a person who wanted to change more than I did, before I knew better.

And you don't get to dismiss that. Address it directly or I'll never answer another one of your bullsh!t posts.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2759 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo,
I am not lying. I do know several people who have come out of the gay and lesbian lifestyle. You may want to do your own research it happens all the time just cause you do not believe it does not mean it does not happen. Reality is God made male and female and if you cannot tell the difference in the plumbing then you have the issue.
I am educated in this and will continue to expose your lies of homosexuality being "normal".
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No, what happens all the time is people LIE about their sexuality. People cannot change their sexual orientation. Give them "the test" and see if they are telling the truth. Even EXODUS INTERNATIONAL stopped spreading the lie that people can change.

Honey, you are most certainly NOT "educated in this." All of the major medical, academic and psychological professional organizations says EXACTLY the opposite of what you believe, so don't say you are educated.

Of course I can tell a difference in the "plumbing" between men and women. Damn.... just how stupid are you?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2760 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
A good friend is honest and will tell you what you do not want to hear. My friends do not agree with me, but they respect me that I will tell them the truth and not what they want to hear.
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It's a shame they settle for you. My friends support me. Oh they will also tell me what I don't want to hear, but they won't misrepresent God as you do. My friends stood up for me at my wedding. My friends had their hearts and minds changed because they knew me so well for so long, knew my heart, knew my strong relationship with God, that the stereotypes about gay people no longer made sense to them after I came out. I lost not one friend and not one family member. My straight brother was my best man, and I was his.(He's divorced already.)

You don't know what friendship is. And this arrogance of yours bleeds into all aspects of your life, and makes you appear to be a very ugly person.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2761 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You made the choice to be attracted to males and listened to the lies of Satan. Did you ever hear of overcoming temptation? Homosexuality was a temptation for you and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. It is called saying no to boys and asking God to give you the ability to overcome. You are the one making up facts cause they are inconvenient for you. So tell me Tony you say you were never abused sexually. So what about dad and mom were they both in the picture? Did your dad pay attention to you? or did they force you to play with girlie stuff growing up?
<quoted text>
Where do you get this silly information? It certainly wasn't from any textbook or university.

Oh, and just a little tip: When you say stupid things like "listening to Satan," you completely lose all credibility.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2763 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony
Romans 1 tells us that our voices would fall on death ears. That is why God has allowed you to believe your own lie that you are okay. It is called God turning you over to a reprobate mind. Thing is a husband and husband cannot have sex unless it is perverted sex. Man and women are made to have sex together that is why their genitals are different. To bad you are so deceived you cannot even see this.
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Really? On "death" ears?

Oh and look up "to" vs. "too."

Moron. You are too stupid to represent the Lord. If you can't read, how can you expect to understand what you are reading?
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2764 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo
Are you following this conversation? Tony is married to a male and Norcal Native is married to a female at least that is my understanding. I got a gay male couple and a lesbian couple here that I am confronting about their lifestyle of homosexuality. So you lie when you say I am whining only about men doing each other.
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Are you the lifestyle police? What are your qualifications, high school dropout?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2766 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
No, I am encouraging you to repent and come out of your sexual lifestyle of homosexuality and be who God really intended you to be a man who falls in love with a woman.
OK I'll just snap my fingers, is that it?

That will never happen, no matter what I do. Nor would I want it to at this point. I have a very blessed life.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2767 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
No, I am encouraging you to repent and come out of your sexual lifestyle of homosexuality and be who God really intended you to be a man who falls in love with a woman.
You do not know God and he does not know you. No, you are full of lies from Satan and I am praying Jesus gets a hold of your heart and you repent.
You do need help that is why I am here. You just do not know it because you are so engrossed in your homosexual lifestyle.
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And I'm sick of you, too, dismissing what is in my posts and simply saying whatever you want to say which is not even a response to what I said.

I'm not going to continue typing out thoughtful responses if you aren't going to respectfully answer them.

You have very few chances remaining.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#2768 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
If I am not getting to you then why call me an idiot? or bitch? Seems someone is getting to you or you that much of a insecure person you must call someone names that is debating you?
It has been proven most people who are lesbians and gays have been either abused sexually or they have had one parent missing from their life. They also may have a parent that is in the home but does not bother with the child. So which one is you? I will ask Tony that also.
I am not using a voice program and if you are that much of a tight wad over spelling and punctuation stop getting your panties in a wad.
Well the Bible tells me he died on the cross and so I will believe what the word of God says not your lies from your tv shows.
Hate? Again more lies from you. I have not spewed hate just information that you homosexuals refuse to adhere to. You want to burn in hell by all means do it.
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I call you an idiot because you are.....not because you think you are hitting some nerve......rather delusional as well, but then that's just the way you are......or the way you make yourself appear to be in your posts!!!

Did I actually call you that word? I would have simply implied it, but seeing that bad language spelled out on topix is a no-no......I know I didn't spell it out.......lol!!!!

This is NOT a debate between us.....A DEBATE IS AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.......and there is no EXCHANGE taking place......more like you trying to bash those of us who believe differently than you......and it's not going to EVER happen!!!

Please provide the evidence to back up your claim......because there are lots of folks who are Gay and Lesbian who have had both parents in the life and NEVER been abused!!!

More lies......interesting.......lo l!!!

Again, you are free to believe whatever you want.....doesn't make it true!!!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2769 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Yes they have and I am sorry that bothers you so much. God will also do it for you if you are willing. Pretending?? I am laughing.
You are serious dense.
Not trying to earn Jesus points. I care about lost souls and people like your self who have been so deceived.
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I know more gay people than you ever will. If gay people were able to change, I would know it. We as a community would know it.

It is cruelty, supported by you. It is torture to do that to young boys who don't know any better.

Nobody can change their sexual orientation. You are wrong. And your friends are obviously lying to themselves.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2771 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo,
I am not lying. I do know several people who have come out of the gay and lesbian lifestyle. You may want to do your own research it happens all the time just cause you do not believe it does not mean it does not happen. Reality is God made male and female and if you cannot tell the difference in the plumbing then you have the issue.
I am educated in this and will continue to expose your lies of homosexuality being "normal".
<quoted text>
They're still gay.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2772 Feb 2, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Born Again needs a brain transplant. His is OBVIOUSLY defective.
Truth!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2773 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You made the choice to be attracted to males and listened to the lies of Satan. Did you ever hear of overcoming temptation? Homosexuality was a temptation for you and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. It is called saying no to boys and asking God to give you the ability to overcome. You are the one making up facts cause they are inconvenient for you. So tell me Tony you say you were never abused sexually. So what about dad and mom were they both in the picture? Did your dad pay attention to you? or did they force you to play with girlie stuff growing up?
<quoted text>
This is getting insulting now, but again reveals how little you know.

Where in my story did you hear anything about me making a choice? If I had no attraction to girls, then how could I CHOOSE that?

I have no problem with overcoming temptation. I'm excellent at overcoming temptation. Did you miss the part where I didn't allow myself to even kiss another man until I was 24 years old? So, check the box for overcoming temptation. No problem whatsoever. This is not an issue of temptation or willpower or choice. Get that through your ignorant head.

Insulting quote number one: "It is called saying no to boys and asking God to give you the ability to overcome."

Do you even read my posts? Ever? Did you not read where I repeatedly stated that I did not allow myself ANY experience with men until I was 24 years old? I realized I was gay at age 12. I refused to acknowledge it at the time. And I thought if I didn't do anything about it, then I wasn't gay. So check the box for "saying no to boys." Then did you get the part where I said I had the presence of mind, at age 12, which most kids don't, to turn to God and pray and beg for him not to put me through this. I once begged him to break my legs instead - because I didn't trust Him and I thought I couldn't handle this. I prayed and cried and begged for 12 straight years. So I think that more than qualifies as "asking God to give me the ability to overcome." I defy you to find another 12 year old boy who tried harder and with greater sincerity.

You simplistic ass. So easy for you to read a book and think you know what you're talking about. Arrogance. Arrogance. Arrogance.

As to your other insulting questions to which you do not deserve an answer: I was never sexually abused. Nobody forced me to play with girlie stuff, you ass. And that can't make you gay, for the record. Mom & Dad divorced when I was 5 and mom remarried when I was 6, so there was always at least one male role model around, not to mention my grandfather and uncle. But nice try.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2775 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo
Are you following this conversation? Tony is married to a male and Norcal Native is married to a female at least that is my understanding. I got a gay male couple and a lesbian couple here that I am confronting about their lifestyle of homosexuality. So you lie when you say I am whining only about men doing each other.
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And you're wasting everyone's time. Do you think you're going to break up a marriage?

Do you think your approach is at all inviting, convincing, or helpful?

You're a joke. My real life stands up to your nonsense. God is on my side.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2780 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Raised your younger siblings? Where was your mom and dad ? Seems you are answering some of my questions why you sought out the gay lifestyle. Dad missing from the picture? Where was mom? Why were you responsible for your younger siblings? Looking for a role model in another man since dad did not fulfill that? Very interesting!!
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Did you ever read anything about bearing false witness against your neighbor? I suggest you apologize to me and to God for that.

I said "practically" raised my younger siblings, as part of my list of impressive deeds. I was 7 years older than my brother and 9 years older than my sister, so I was treated as a 3rd parent figure in the home. I had every responsibility, whether or not anybody was home - but actually my mom was a stay at home mom and my stepdad was home from work before we got out of school. I thought it was kind of impressive that at age 7 I could change diapers, feed & burp my brother, watch him while mom was cleaning or if she had to run to the store, or one of the few times they had to go out to a wedding or reunion or something. By the time my sister was born, I was a pro. I had full authority to discipline them because my judgment was very well trusted. In fact, by the time I was in my early teens, the neighborhood mothers used to fight over me and book me weeks in advance to babysit because I was much more trustworthy than the girls, and I knew how to take care of kids, and I respected the rules of their home (bedtime, etc.) One night, after he went to bed, a kid swallowed a penny. I think I was about 13. I called 911, and they told me what to do over the phone to keep him from choking to death.

Oh, none of that made me gay, either. God did that.

So again, stop salivating over your made up fantasies because you are wrong.

There are straight and gay kids who come from broken homes. There are straight and gay kids who come from intact 2 parent homes with nothing but peaches & cream. There are straight and gay kids from every permutation of American life you can find - every religion, every ethnicity, every socio-economic background, etc.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2781 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
Just because you have 2 parents in your life does not mean they are there emotionally for the child. If the child lacked in the bounding with the parent then yes it could lead you into wanting to find that bound in another same sex person. Does not have to be sexual abuse it can be emotional abuse.
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Incorrect.(I'm sure you have a study to back it up? LOL!!)

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#2782 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You are not a Christian you live a perverted homosexual lifestyle.
I already got to vote on you not being Christian you cannot serve man and God. Your lifestyle God does not condone. No, it is not impossible to leave homosexuality many have done it.
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Now I have heard it all.
No one gets to VOTE on whether another person is a Christian or not a Christian.
No one can change their sexual identity.
No one.
That would simply be pretending.
Could you change yours?
Be honest.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#2784 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You are only married in the States eyes. In God's eyes he says marriage is between a man and a woman so you really do not have a marriage made by God.
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Anyone who gets married and makes marriage vows TO God is married in the eyes of God.
You have no authority to say any different.
A vow to God IS a vow to God.

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