Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

[NorCal Native]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Norcal Native,
How can it be lowering itself when the actual Hebrew writing is in the Bible? I believe all Bibles are okay because God sees the intent of them. A lot of them are made to be understood better, but that does not take away their true meaning. Every Bible has the same verses and they mean the same except some of them are more modern day and there is nothing wrong with that if it helps the person understand it. There all 100 percent infallible word of God. Sure it can be why not? You do not get to decide what is infallible with God's word.
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Actually NONE of them are the word of God.....that's just what you want to believe, and it's your right to do so, but don't try and tell EVERY OTHER person that you are right and they are wrong.......I mean that's what you, Laci, The Preacherman, Roman Roads and a half dozen other posters claim.....YOU'RE WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY, and it's only right for you!!!

Frankly, NONE of you act Christ-like AND NONE of you truly know that what you believe is God's words at all.......but you don't have the ability to think for yourself or question why there are other books and Gospels that could be the TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD.....and that's why you are the way you are!!!

Every day people try and show you other things, but you stick to your beliefs as if they matter to anyone else but yourself and they don't......God has changed His philosophy many times in the bible regarding different things like murder, rape, incest, slavery and so forth......only ignorant folks try to apply thousand year scriptures from different times and cultures to modern day America......and ya simply can't!!!

Now, go beat your head on some wall......because frankly, that's all ya know how to do!!!

[Jane Dodo]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Nettiebelle,
How do you know someone else cannot be an expert on a particular book in the Bible? Do you think Rabbi's are the only one who study? Rabbi's do not have the Holy Spirit to guide them since they are not Christian so again show me in the Bible where God made male and male and told them to come together. This is the third time you avoided my question. Oh, and many people have a Hebrew Interlinear Bible which gives the full Hebrew meaning of words in the Hebrew. You may want to try and get one because it would help you not to be so ignorant.
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Are you really as naive as you sound or are you just pulling our collective chains?

[Jane Dodo]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Norcal Native,
How can it be lowering itself when the actual Hebrew writing is in the Bible? I believe all Bibles are okay because God sees the intent of them. A lot of them are made to be understood better, but that does not take away their true meaning. Every Bible has the same verses and they mean the same except some of them are more modern day and there is nothing wrong with that if it helps the person understand it. There all 100 percent infallible word of God. Sure it can be why not? You do not get to decide what is infallible with God's word.
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Really? You believe the sun stopped in the sky for about a day? Really?

[Lililth_Satans_B ore]

Jeff wrote:

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So you are a hypocrite. You would never encourage your son to be a homosexual and do everything in your power to discourage it because you know full well the consequences of it.

I see your still trying to push your TALIBANNGELICAL SHARIA LAW... Good luck turbin boy, well burn your churches down... They make for nice campfires to roast smores over

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Liam R wrote:

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Be faithful to your partners, or practice safe sex.

Apparently easier said than done.

Gay author Gabriel Rotello notes the perspective of many gays that “Gay liberation was founded ... on a ‘sexual brotherhood of promiscuity,’ and any abandonment of that promiscuity would amount to a ‘communal betrayal of gargantuan proportions.’”1 Rotello’s perception of gay promiscuity, which he criticizes, is consistent with survey results. A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250- 499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners.2 By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984.3

In more recent years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25.4 Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex.5 A 2003 U. S.- based, Urban Men’s Health Study, reported that over 30% of the homosexual men studied frequented bathhouses with an average of 27 partners per year.6 In a 2003 study, Amsterdam “singles” averaged 22 casual partners/year, while those with a “steady partner” averaged eight (8).7 The average duration of partnerships was 1.5 years. In a 2005 Canadian vaccine trial, homosexual individuals reported 7 partners in the last 6 months.8

The data relating to gay promiscuity were obtained from self-identified gay men. Some advocates argue that the average would be lower if closeted homosexuals were included in the statistics.9 That is likely true, according to data obtained in a 2000 survey in Australia that tracked whether men who had sex with men were associated with the gay community. Men who were associated with the gay community were nearly four times as likely to have had more than 50 sex partners in the six months preceding the survey as men who were not associated with the gay community.10 This may imply that it is riskier to be “out” than “closeted.” Adopting a gay identity may create more pressure to be promiscuous and to be so with a cohort of other more promiscuous partners.

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Excessive sexual promiscuity results in serious medical consequences — indeed, it is a recipe for transmitting disease and generating an epidemic.11 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has remained a predominantly gay issue in the U.S. primarily because of the greater degree of promiscuity among gays.12 A study based upon statistics from 1986 through 1990 estimated that 20-year-old gay men had a 50 percent chance of becoming HIV positive by age 55.13 As of June 2001, nearly 64 percent of men with AIDS were men who have had sex with men.14 Syphilis is also more common among gay men. The San Francisco Public Health Department recently reported that syphilis among the city’s gay and bisexual men was at epidemic levels. According to the San Francisco Chronicle:

“Experts believe syphilis is on the rise among gay and bisexual men because they are engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, many of whom they met in anonymous situations such as sex clubs, adult bookstores, meetings through the Internet and in bathhouses. The new data will show that in the 93 cases involving gay and bisexual men this year, the group reported having 1,225 sexual partners.”15

A 2010 CDC data analysis reveals that the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM (men who have sex with men) is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women. 16[insert reference 10 from Male Homosexual Behavior] Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men.

Promiscuity among lesbians is less extreme, but it is still higher than among heterosexual women. Overall, women tend to have fewer sex partners than men. But there is a surprising finding about lesbian promiscuity in the literature. Australian investigators reported that lesbian women were 4.5 times more likely to have had more than 50 lifetime male partners than heterosexual women (9 percent of lesbians versus 2 percent of heterosexual women); and 93 percent of women who identified themselves as lesbian reported a history of sex with men.17 Other studies similarly show that 75-90 percent of women who have sex with women have also had sex with men.1

http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/promiscuity/

[Jane Dodo]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Nettiebelle,
No, you have not proven it because unlike you I do not follow the pope or priest or any other man. I get alone with the Holy Spirit and he teaches me what I need to know about the Bible. In fact most all true born again Christians unlike yourself are taught by the same Holy Spirit and they agree on things.
Show me in the Bible where it says anything about the Catholic Church being qualified to teach anyone? I would like this verse please. Funny, I have never read anywhere where Jesus even mentioned the Catholic church in the Bible please chapter and verse showing me where Jesus is speaking of the Catholic church in those very words.
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Why should we believe you, and not the other 500,000,000 people that claim teaching by the Holy Spirit yet believe differently? Where's your proof? You can't all be right.

[NorCal Native]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Norcal Native,
The word homosexual did not exist, but the word Sodomite did and a Sodomite is one who commits sodomy which is anal sex with the same gender. Ya, and it does make it so what you claim either remember that. Sodomites were talked about in 1 and 2 Kings, but you were told that before and ignored it.
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Sorry, you'd be wrong.....but I'm not going to continue to go back and forth over it with you......believe as you want.....it won't make it true, right or correct!!!

Sodomite is not a person who engages in sodomy and besides, if they did.....why is it your business?

Secondly......seeing as we don't live under God's rules or law......who the fruck cares what 2 consenting adults do? As long as it doesn't involve you.....MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!!!

It doesn't matter what I believe or think.....YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE NOT MINE....nor this Countries and it doesn't matter what some frucking mythical book may say or not say......heterosexuals engage in anal and oral sex.....good for them, they probably do another things as well.....again, good for them....it doesn't affect me and I don't think nor care about it......but FRUCKING FUNDIES SPEND MORE TIME THINKING AND DISCUSSING WHAT THEY BELIEVE 2 GAY MEN DO probably more than Gay men do.......if it is that interesting to you, then go watch it and it over it!!!

[snyper]

Romans Road wrote:

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Lying about the Word of God is "making sense"? What is Satan doing to you people?
John 8:44- Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

"John" is a gentile pseudepigraphic tract that begins with plagiarism of the thought of Philo of Alexandria.

[Jane Dodo]

Jeff wrote:

We also know there are many ex-homosexuals. People can change their sexual orientations.

No there aren't. Do you think any of these self-claimed ex-gay men would volunteer to take "the test?"

What was that? You didn't know there was a test? How about that! We don't have to rely only on what men claim. We can test them. How about you volunteer?

[Jane Dodo]

Jeff wrote:

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Wrong. Children are deeply influenced in their sexuality by their parents.

No they aren't. If that were true, why do I have three straight siblings?

[NorCal Native]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Norcal Native,
You do not get to decide what the Word of God is or is not.

And guess what NEITHER DO YOU.......the other folks you mention aren't even in the same realm or grace of Jesus.......and therefore you are nothing more that fake Christians passing mortal judgment on others simply because you feel you have more superiority because of some claim......YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A MORTAL PERSON who believes in a mythical book full of supernatural stories about talking snakes, burning/talking bush and some drunken man who claimed God spoke to him about building an ark and filling it with all the animals of the world at the time.....no explanation on how to feed them, store them and clean up their shiet......so, believe as you need to.......hopefully, one day it will work out the way you believe!!!

[NorCal Native]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Granspasmurf952,
Wrong God did not make hermaphrodite it happened because of the sin nature inside of each of us. Just like someone is born with down syndrome because of a missing chromosome. The fall of Adam and Eve is what made all these diseases and things like down syndrome and hermaphrodite. To many have been homosexual and left the homosexual life to be with the opposite sex and are still married today. That is how we know it is a choice and not something you are born with.
Let me make myself very clear I could care less what science says concerning homosexuality or anything else because it is God that has the final say not man. Science is not God. I will always believe homosexual is a sexual sin because the Bible clearly says it is.
We are not all one. Those who are not Christians are on Satan's team and unless they come to Christ they will die and go to hell.
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So saith our Lord Born_Again_Christian!!!!

[Jeff]

Jane Dodo wrote:

<quoted text> No there aren't. Do you think any of these self-claimed ex-gay men would volunteer to take "the test?"
What was that? You didn't know there was a test? How about that! We don't have to rely only on what men claim. We can test them. How about you volunteer?

What test are you referring to?

[Tony C]

Jeff wrote:

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Nonsense. Everyone has a choice about this. We are not animals.

Please detail the process by which you chose to be straight.

[Jeff]

Jane Dodo wrote:

<quoted text>Did Hebrew change in 2,000 yrs? You are a dolt.

yes.

[Tony C]

Jeff wrote:

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We all have a choice to follow our inclinations. I have and so have many resisted various things in life that they have felt "natural". Its only animals that don't.
We also know there are many ex-homosexuals. People can change their sexual orientations.

So you're choosing not to deal in reality. Got it.

[Tony C]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

LowellGuy,
Really?
According to the Bible homosexuality is an abomination and God abhors it. That is according to the Hebrew Interlinear Bible which also displays the English version. You telling me the Hebrew Interlinear Bible written in Hebrew is wrong? I do not think so. You are the ignorant one.
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None of which is the original bible, none of which is the 100% inerrant Word of God.

[Jeff]

Jane Dodo wrote:

<quoted text>No they aren't. If that were true, why do I have three straight siblings?

they choose to be.

[Tony C]

Born_Again_Christian wrote:

Tony,
Look up the word abomination and all the consequences that go along with your homosexual lifestyle that God abhors. Plagues are brought on groups because of their sexual sins. Bad part of that is the innocent also get affected by these plagues. That is why we have STD'S and AIDS. These are sexual STD'S caused by going outside of the boundaries God made for sex. God says sex is for marriage between a man and a woman and if you are going to play with fire you will get burned.
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And yet, God brought my husband and I together, and neither of us have any diseases.