The Gay Awakening

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The Levitical Holiness Code applied to all of Israel, or did Paul's letter to the Romans only apply to Italian Catholics?
Nice try kiddo. A swing and a miss.

How's that hunt for a passage where Jesus addresses homosexuality going?
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Have you lost your "Christian" marbles?
We all can read what Paul or some of his followers wrote. That should be enough for you, considering that he was educated as a Hebrew Scribe.
Here is what Jesus is reported to have said:
"Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Give unto God that which is God's."
Jesus did NOT condemn slavery. He approved of it as a matter of course in social law. He openly referred to the practice of slavery and used it to make teaching examples numerous times in many parables. The Romans, the Greeks and the Jews were accepting of the practice.
Even Jesus used allegorical references, such as, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." To be yoked is to be placed in servitude. To his own disciples, He told them to strive to make themselves servants.
If you do not understand this, you do not understand the essential nature of the required personal submission, the indentured servitude in discipleship to the Master, Jesus - and, yes, it is a form of personal discipline that takes its cues in slavery.
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I have read many of your topix replies to people. I honestly don't know how to put this, but just say it. I believe in God's word, I believe in Jesus Christ, and with that note, I believe in satan the adversary and his demons. You can't have one without the other, you know the good and the bad. I can tell that you have had quite an education to get you as far as you have become. I will tell you this, you can have a million years as a scholar, and yet if you do not have the Holy Spirit living in you...you have absolutely nothing. You can have a million supporters, following you everywhere you go, but if you do not let the Holy Spirit guide you and give you discernment, it like the blind leading the blind. Many church leaders are in it for the money, prestige and so forth, and for that they will have to answer to God. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, I believe that with all of my heart. I would hate to be a leader of many and leading the sheep astray before God. I read many of your posts on different things, I looked you up by your topix box. A man of God, acts and tries his best to be a good shephard, just as Jesus did. I have been blessed with many gifts from God, so I pray as I even type this post. It is all about God's love, and Jesus did die on the cross for our sins, so that we may have grace for the repentance of our sins. You have forgotten a couple of things from the Bible which are very, very important, and yes if your the scholar you profess to be you will already know this. Jesus warned those about hell, he also said if they hated me, they will hate you....So, if you are so very loved by giving only the good things, something is wrong. Sin is sin and it is not going into heaven. I seen how you reflected on the book of Romans. Sometimes when you try to fit a puzzle together with the wrong pieces it will not fit, and that is what man has done. We have taken so much out of God's word, to tickle the ears of others not to offend them, because the easiest thing anyone can say is, "you're judging me". Hell is a horrible place to go, and we all have to strive everyday NOT to sin. Jesus himself told Mary Mag...go and sin no more did he not? It is everyone's duty who believes in Jesus Christ to warn others not to sin, and yes give them all the information on how much God loves us. But, we must NEVER forget to tell them that He is a jealous God. Romans 13:1-7 tells us to obey the laws of the land as long as it does not conflict with the laws of God. Hell is real my friend, condoning others to sin, is not of God. I did not reply to your above answer. I do not hate, anyone that is gay, get that right. I do not condone it. Sin is sin as any other, and it is not going into heaven. Just as people who have abortions, all that was involved in that murder will have to answer to God.Unless they ask God to forgive them, before their time is up.

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Nice try kiddo. A swing and a miss ...
This from a player whose "knowledge" of the bible has him warming the bench.

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Once every 70 years.
Try every 50th, not including the Sabbath cycle for indentured servants.

The Sabbath year legislation provided for the restoration of freedom for those who had sold themselves in servitude to their fellow Israelites.

Exodus 21:2
When you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years, but in the seventh year he shall be given his freedom without cost ...

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This from a player whose "knowledge" of the bible has him warming the bench.
Actually, my knowledge of the Bible is extensive. It comes with growing up Catholic.

My finding, in later life, that it likely isn't the word of God and is often used by those without morals to control those without intelligence is something else entirely.

The sad part is, that most people are at least intelligent enough to pick and choose the passages that support, or at least seem to support, their own bigoted views.
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Actually, my knowledge of the Bible is extensive. It comes with growing up Catholic ...
lol -- probably the most biblically illiterate denomination in all of Christendom, but take heart: according to the Catholic Catechism under "Chastity and Homosexuality" (2357), homosexual acts are just "intrinsically disordered" as opposed to being "acts of grave depravity" as per sacred scripture.

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lol -- probably the most biblically illiterate denomination in all of Christendom, but take heart: according to the Catholic Catechism under "Chastity and Homosexuality" (2357), homosexual acts are just "intrinsically disordered" as opposed to being "acts of grave depravity" as per sacred scripture.
Do you know what is said to happen when one assumes? Thus far, you are proving to be somewhat biblically illiterate, and somewhat hypocritical, using bible verses out of context to justify your own bigotry.

Part of the reason I am no longer a believe is because of hypocrite, like yourself, who abuse the bible to justify their own prejudice. Seldom do such individuals actually grasp to core message of Jesus, which is a message of peace, love, and acceptance.

Clearly, you don't walk the walk. Actually, you don't really even talk the talk.

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Try every 50th, not including the Sabbath cycle for indentured servants.
The Sabbath year legislation provided for the restoration of freedom for those who had sold themselves in servitude to their fellow Israelites.
Exodus 21:2
When you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years, but in the seventh year he shall be given his freedom without cost ...
A program to encourage purchasing Hebrews from others, with seven years of unpaid labor to recover the cost.

This was not legislation against slavery.

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Jews couldn't own one another, even back in the Old Testament; instead, they were indentured servants, just like the founders of America's first colonies.
However, Jewish indentured servants were freed during the Year of Jubilee.
Or don't you read any history books, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky?
Indentured servants were still considered the property of their masters and only Jewish slaves/indentured servants were freed during the year of Jubilee, any other slave, not so much. Yes, I have read a great deal of history, that is how I know you really don't know what you are talking about.
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Actually, my knowledge of the Bible is extensive. It comes with growing up Catholic.
My finding, in later life, that it likely isn't the word of God and is often used by those without morals to control those without intelligence is something else entirely.
The sad part is, that most people are at least intelligent enough to pick and choose the passages that support, or at least seem to support, their own bigoted views.
When did you convert to Judaism and start practicing what they preach in the Talmud?

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When did you convert to Judaism and start practicing what they preach in the Talmud?
Not all Judaism is Pharisee (Talmudic).

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I have read many of your topix replies to people. I honestly don't know how to put this, but just say it. I believe in God's word, I believe in Jesus Christ, and with that note, I believe in satan the adversary and his demons. You can't have one without the other, you know the good and the bad. I can tell that you have had quite an education to get you as far as you have become. I will tell you this, you can have a million years as a scholar, and yet if you do not have the Holy Spirit living in you...you have absolutely nothing. You can have a million supporters, following you everywhere you go, but if you do not let the Holy Spirit guide you and give you discernment, it like the blind leading the blind. Many church leaders are in it for the money, prestige and so forth, and for that they will have to answer to God. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, I believe that with all of my heart. I would hate to be a leader of many and leading the sheep astray before God. I read many of your posts on different things, I looked you up by your topix box. A man of God, acts and tries his best to be a good shephard, just as Jesus did. I have been blessed with many gifts from God, so I pray as I even type this post. It is all about God's love, and Jesus did die on the cross for our sins, so that we may have grace for the repentance of our sins. You have forgotten a couple of things from the Bible which are very, very important, and yes if your the scholar you profess to be you will already know this. Jesus warned those about hell, he also said if they hated me, they will hate you....So, if you are so very loved by giving only the good things, something is wrong. Sin is sin and it is not going into heaven. I seen how you reflected on the book of Romans. Sometimes when you try to fit a puzzle together with the wrong pieces it will not fit, and that is what man has done. We have taken so much out of God's word, to tickle the ears of others not to offend them, because the easiest thing anyone can say is, "you're judging me". Hell is a horrible place to go, and we all have to strive everyday NOT to sin. Jesus himself told Mary Mag...go and sin no more did he not? It is everyone's duty who believes in Jesus Christ to warn others not to sin, and yes give them all the information on how much God loves us. But, we must NEVER forget to tell them that He is a jealous God. Romans 13:1-7 tells us to obey the laws of the land as long as it does not conflict with the laws of God. Hell is real my friend, condoning others to sin, is not of God. I did not reply to your above answer. I do not hate, anyone that is gay, get that right. I do not condone it. Sin is sin as any other, and it is not going into heaven. Just as people who have abortions, all that was involved in that murder will have to answer to God.Unless they ask God to forgive them, before their time is up.
In the accounts we have been provided with the criteria that will be used to separate the sheep from the goats. Remember what those are?

(Interesting to note that the only citation you provided in all that was one from Saul the heretic. Hmmm)

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... that includes aqueducts and armies, or don't you think they needed water and protection?
LOL!... No need for you to be so obtuse.

Is there any record of slaves being used by the Romans to build infrastructure for the state? Of course, there is.

The rebellion of Spartacus against the slave-owning oligarchy of Rome is well-documented history.

You've been caught off base, Joe. Ump called you OUT!

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Look. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Personally, I believe that Jesus probably saw slavery as a "bad" practice. But, He doesn't talk about it as a practice that has to be politically opposed, because He doesn't openly engage in political rebellion. That wasn't His Ministry.

His work is spiritual. It involves personal discipline. It centers upon regarding your and my fellow Human Being as an equal and an independent soul and person; a fellow being of God able to be self-determinate, at least in a sense.

Read Matthew 18. The chapter contains references to Gentiles, tax collectors AND slaves. But, none of these are cited as inherently "bad," even though the Gentile and the tax collector aren't given much respect.

If what you are trying to get at is that the Teachings of Jesus, when practiced as a personal discipline, will eventually lead to the general abolishment of the political permission of the practice of slavery, I believe that you would be correct. But, the adherence to the path is something that leads to a desired destination, even if the gait, pace and the direction are not yet the equivalent of the destination eventually reached.

For instance, the spirit of the Declaration of Independence clearly puts aside slavery, whereas the newborn Constitution does not. So, over the course of the growth of the Nation, the internal conflict of slavery was necessarily brought to light, and in the course set by the Declaration, slavery is eliminated and the Constitution amended to reflect the spirit. Correction having been made in the process of the manifestation of the spirit, showing a journey made from a place of one condition, transitioning toward a destination of another.

"You must be born again in the spirit."

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Part of the reason I am no longer a believe is because of hypocrite, like yourself, who abuse the bible to justify their own prejudice ...
And the other part is that you refuse to live up to the moral code that all Catholics and other Christians must adhere to?

If you think that you can use myself and others as an excuse to avoid taking responbility for your own decisions, you still have a lot of growing up to do.

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A program to encourage purchasing Hebrews from others, with seven years of unpaid labor to recover the cost.
This was not legislation against slavery.
No one claimed it was, and the labor was not unpaid: it was to cover a debt the indentured servant owed his new master.
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<quoted text>Indentured servants were still considered the property of their masters ...
... only until their debt was paid, or the seven year cycle, whichever came first, but a slave was an unwilling servant for life.

Which would YOU rather be, Ricky? Or are you already a lifelong slave to your gay lifetsyle?

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LOL!... No need for you to be so obtuse.
Is there any record of slaves being used by the Romans to build infrastructure for the state?...
And what is the history of slavery in the state of your hidden location, Ken?

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And what is the history of slavery in the state of your hidden location, Ken?
Emancipation Proclamation, Joe.

Executive order, January 1st, 1863 - A. Lincoln.

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... only until their debt was paid, or the seven year cycle, whichever came first, but a slave was an unwilling servant for life.
That doesn't change the reality that they were still considered the property of their masters, or the reality that you really haven't got a clue as to the acceptance of slavery throughout most of the history of the Christian faith. Thanks for playing and reminding us that you are a slave to your ignorance and hate.

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I have read many of your topix replies to people. I honestly don't know how to put this, but just say it. I believe in God's word, I believe in Jesus Christ, and with that note, I believe in satan the adversary and his demons.

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I can tell that you have had quite an education to get you as far as you have become. I will tell you this, you can have a million years as a scholar, and yet if you do not have the Holy Spirit living in you...you have absolutely nothing.

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We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, I believe that with all of my heart. I would hate to be a leader of many and leading the sheep astray before God. I read many of your posts on different things, I looked you up by your topix box. A man of God, acts and tries his best to be a good shephard, just as Jesus did. I have been blessed with many gifts from God, so I pray as I even type this post. It is all about God's love, and Jesus did die on the cross for our sins, so that we may have grace for the repentance of our sins.

You have forgotten a couple of things from the Bible which are very, very important, and yes if your the scholar you profess to be you will already know this. Jesus warned those about hell, he also said if they hated me, they will hate you....So, if you are so very loved by giving only the good things, something is wrong.

Sin is sin and it is not going into heaven. I seen how you reflected on the book of Romans. Sometimes when you try to fit a puzzle together with the wrong pieces it will not fit, and that is what man has done. We have taken so much out of God's word, to tickle the ears of others not to offend them, because the easiest thing anyone can say is, "you're judging me".

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I did not reply to your above answer. I do not hate, anyone that is gay, get that right. I do not condone it. Sin is sin as any other, and it is not going into heaven. Just as people who have abortions, all that was involved in that murder will have to answer to God. Unless they ask God to forgive them, before their time is up.
Dear Knowledge,

It might seem easy to say, "You're judging me or someone else." But, it is not so easy to actually see when you are inadvertently doing just that.

Moreover, I do not equate the decision or act of abortion as a murder. Yet, it may be just that.

Not so long ago, most people regarded any homosexual act as a sin. This is not true, any longer. But, also, for many to come to this realization will take time. A lot of time. And, I think, some will just not ever understand.

But, we are talking about children and the fact that God loves us and them just as we and they are. God welcomes them and brings them up to be responsible adults, just like you and I are brought up to be responsible.

I don't claim to be right all the time. In fact, I readily admit to being stumped a fair portion of the time. There is an awful lot to be learned in this life and an awful lot of practice to put in, just to take care of the obligation to abide by TWO Commandments.

I do ask forgiveness for my overreaching and my frequent judging of others. But, also, I do try not to judge beyond the judging that THEY do of people they neither know or understand. So, sometimes, I take a little liberty and get in the trenches and get dirty and have been known to make fun at another's expense.

But, so, at least some of what I do, I hope to do for their own benefit and for the benefit of those who are wrongly held to task, based upon someone's misguided interpretations of the Teachings of Jesus.

The definitions of sin are like mathematics and the development of Imaginary Numbers. At some point, even though you have all the functions and proper axioms at your fingertips, you can run the calculation and get an answer that just doesn't make much sense.

When that happens, you leave the chalkboard and sit down. Then, you pay attention.

Rev. Ken

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