The Gay Awakening

The Gay Awakening

There are 475 comments on the The American Prospect story from Nov 18, 2013, titled The Gay Awakening. In it, The American Prospect reports that:

Supporters of same-sex marriage outside Camp Innnabah, the Methodist retreat center where Rev.

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Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#1 Nov 18, 2013
It is not a Methodist "crime" to perform a gay marriage. It is a "heresy." It is heresy because it blatantly and clearly disagrees with the clear words of the Bible. It is the clergy's job to represent God through his Word regardless the consequences, rather than preaching what people's itching ears want to hear. As the Methodists drift away from the Bible, one can expect there will be no pastoral discipline against those who disagree with the Bible.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

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#2 Nov 18, 2013
Oh yes....I remember reading all those bible passages about the "Methodists".....som ething about the cult of Lutherans breaking away from the Catholics....which is how the Baptists came into being....please share a verse or two.
Knowledge

United States

#3 Nov 18, 2013
NE Jade wrote:
Oh yes....I remember reading all those bible passages about the "Methodists".....som ething about the cult of Lutherans breaking away from the Catholics....which is how the Baptists came into being....please share a verse or two.
I can not agree with you more. Times are changing , and you are right about a few things. But, God is God. God does not change, people do. It is up to you whether you accept God, as your personal Savior, or not. You see, every hair on our heads our numbered, and when our number is up it is what you have decided to do with your life. Jesus died for our sins and He loves us all. But, if you don't want any part of that, God also allowed us to have choices. It is the choices we make from the time we are born, till the time we die. It doesn't matter to God whether you are a Baptist, Methodist and so on. Everyone has to die, that is undeniable it is the choices we make until we do. We all have to make that choice, to serve God, or man or whatever. As you said, times are changing, and they are trying to change God's word. At the end, we all will have to go before Him, no matter what we try to tell ourselves about how times have changed. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus. I will not deny Him, or His word.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#4 Nov 18, 2013
Either God changes or people change God, because there have been any number of teachings of the Christian faith which have been radically altered over time. Take the issue of slavery for example, it gets God's approval in both testaments, but you won't find many Christians saying that now. My personal favorite is the position on sex before marriage. I'll bet you didn't know that it used to be a requirement. Prior to the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church only offered the sacrament of marriage only to couples who could prove they had consummated their betrothal. Your proof was that the little b*stard you've brought with you looks like you. The Church required a blessing of your betrothal, a promise to marry in the eyes of God if all the parts work. The Church changing the definition of marriage was one of the issues which sparked the Protestant Reformation.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Nov 18, 2013
Listen to the Word wrote:
It is not a Methodist "crime" to perform a gay marriage. It is a "heresy." It is heresy because it blatantly and clearly disagrees with the clear words of the Bible. It is the clergy's job to represent God through his Word regardless the consequences, rather than preaching what people's itching ears want to hear. As the Methodists drift away from the Bible, one can expect there will be no pastoral discipline against those who disagree with the Bible.
Its the Methodist's 'bible' that has drifted away from the The Bible
.
They're following the wrong book; not to mention they wrote a supplement of their own as if The Bible itself is not good enough
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So they are pretty much in shambles for the time being

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#6 Nov 19, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
Either God changes or people change God, because there have been any number of teachings of the Christian faith which have been radically altered over time. Take the issue of slavery for example, it gets God's approval in both testaments ...
Exactly where, as in chapter and verse, does the New Testament state that God approves of slavery?

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#7 Nov 19, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Exactly where, as in chapter and verse, does the New Testament state that God approves of slavery?
If it is not (or has never been) acceptable to God, why are there so many rules governing it's details in the Holy Book?

"Don't own others" doesn't seem to be one of the commandments.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#8 Nov 19, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Exactly where, as in chapter and verse, does the New Testament state that God approves of slavery?
All of them, actually. Jesus appeared in an era where the master-slave relationship was a culturally accepted practice in pretty much every known culture. Jesus conditioned the practice, he did not in any way, shape or form condemn it. If circumstances make you a slave to an earthly master, you are to be the best slave you can be, because he is not your true master. If circumstances make you an earthly master to a slave, you are to be the best earthly master you can be, because your true master is watching. The Christian faithful really didn't start reexamining those ideas until just a few centuries ago. God didn't start changing His mind about slavery until the middle of the 15th Century and it has taken Him this long to go from conditionally ambivalent about it to decidedly against it. Maybe that's just His Christians, because the book itself hasn't stopped saying what it does.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#9 Nov 19, 2013
Quest wrote:
If it is not (or has never been) acceptable to God, why are there so many rules governing it's details in the Holy Book?
"Don't own others" doesn't seem to be one of the commandments.
Assorted master-servant/slave relationships were culturally accepted, regulated norms, in pretty much every culture at the beginning of the common era. The Old Testament law laid out God's specifics for followers of the Jewish faith. For Gentile Christians, who were not bound by God to uphold those laws,but to walk in the way of Jesus, the matter fell to local practice and custom. Early Christianity welcomed both slaves and masters, because in the grand scheme of things such earthly relationships are not important, as long as two important conditions are met. Slaves were to serve their master as they would Jesus, because God is your only true master and masters were to treat their slaves as if it were themselves in that position, because they aren't the real master in the room.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Nov 19, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>All of them, actually. Jesus appeared in an era where the master-slave relationship was a culturally accepted practice in pretty much every known culture. Jesus conditioned the practice, he did not in any way, shape or form condemn it ...
That's a long way from approving slavery, Ricky, which is what you claimed in post #4, but if all of the verses in the NT about slavery approve it, show us, chapter and verse.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#11 Nov 19, 2013
He accepted the condition, He taught God's approval of it. Any assertion that either God or the Bible disapproves of slavery isn't supported by the book.

Since: Aug 09

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#12 Nov 20, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
He accepted the condition, He taught God's approval of it. Any assertion that either God or the Bible disapproves of slavery isn't supported by the book.
He is right, Joe.

At the time, the practice was acceptable and a common fact.

The canonical Bible does not specifically disapprove of the practice of ownership and slavery of people.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#13 Nov 20, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
He accepted the condition, He taught God's approval of it. Any assertion that either God or the Bible disapproves of slavery isn't supported by the book.
But that wasn't MY assertion, Ricky.

YOU made the claim that God APPROVES of slavery in both Testaments and I'm still waiting for you to provide the NT chapter and verse that proves YOUR outrageous claim.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#15 Nov 20, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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But that wasn't MY assertion, Ricky.
YOU made the claim that God APPROVES of slavery in both Testaments and I'm still waiting for you to provide the NT chapter and verse that proves YOUR outrageous claim.
You really should read the posts you claim to be replying to. God approves of slavery in the New Testament because Jesus approved of slavery in the New Testament. Haven't you read the book? You can change God's mind if you want, but the book hasn't changed.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#16 Nov 21, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>You really should read the posts you claim to be replying to. God approves of slavery in the New Testament because Jesus approved of slavery in the New Testament. Haven't you read the book?...
If you've read "the book" then why can't you give us the chapter and verse to prove your claim that Jesus approved of slavery?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Nov 21, 2013
Smile wrote:
<quoted text>
Ephesians 6:5-9 (NIV)
Slaves and Masters
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ ...
1 Corinthians 7:21-22
New International Version (NIV)

"Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave."

Since: Mar 09

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#18 Nov 21, 2013
Exodus 21:7

Exodus 21:20

Exodus 21:26

Exodus 21:27

Exodus 21:32

Exodus 23:12

Leviticus 25:6

Leviticus 25:44

Leviticus 25:46

With all that Legislating going on, why not simply outlaw slavery entirely?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Nov 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
Exodus 21:7
Exodus 21:20
Exodus 21:26
Exodus 21:27
Exodus 21:32
Exodus 23:12
Leviticus 25:6
Leviticus 25:44
Leviticus 25:46
With all that Legislating going on ...
Going on in what Testament, the New, or the Old, or can't you tell the difference between them?
RasputinDiedForY ourSins

United States

#20 Nov 21, 2013
Here is some exciting new evidence found indicating that what gay people have been saying for centuries is true.

People are born with the sexual nature they possess. It is hardwired and proof is even being found in the genes!:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/...

This is not the only scientific research that has been done that is slowly uncovering more and more evidence that we are born the way we are sexually.

Here is some more hard evidence:

http://uber-facts.com/2013/02/07/studies-show...

and of course we have the insistence of people throughout the centuries, that false religion has called liars, who insisted they were born the way they were.

This of course means that all religions that reject homosexual people are false and most certainly not inspired by the GOD whose creations they reject!

The Westboro Baptist Church is probably the prime example of an evil hate based religion that rejects their creator and then falsely calls themselves Christian.

But all religions that practice false judgment of homosexuals are definitely uninspired and are the precise opposite of what it means to be a Christian:

1 John 4:8

New International Version (NIV)

"8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

It appears that different sexual orientations and gender differences have a definite place in helping us all to grow in the understanding of the unconditional LOVE that is GOD!

Loves Minstrel

United States

#21 Nov 21, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
He accepted the condition, He taught God's approval of it. Any assertion that either God or the Bible disapproves of slavery isn't supported by the book.
We can accept the bible's views on the evils of slavery if we can accept this scripture:

Isaiah 45:7

King James Version (KJV)

"7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

All that exists can teach us the importance of forming an egalitarian global government with LOVE as it's foundation.

Most of us probably learn more from our pain then we do from our joy. This does not mean we should wallow in our pain.

Slavery is painful and it is crippling. Wage slavery is perhaps the most insidious form there is. You can never escape from it as long as you think you are free.

Galatians 3:28 (New International Version):

"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Jesus was a part of the whole Messiah in harmony with Genesis 1:27, not a primitive god-man to be sacrificed for our sins.

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