Kansas Senate Leader Says Anti-Gay Bi...

Kansas Senate Leader Says Anti-Gay Bill Will Not Pass

There are 31 comments on the The Huffington Post story from Feb 14, 2014, titled Kansas Senate Leader Says Anti-Gay Bill Will Not Pass. In it, The Huffington Post reports that:

The Kansas Senate will not pass a bill in its current form that would prevent lawsuits against someone who refuses, for religious reasons, to provide services to gays and lesbians, the chamber's president said Friday.

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hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#35 Feb 16, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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Why, it seems like only yesterday. Oh, actually, it was only yesterday!
I smiled/laughed; you are correct. The news media will. not. stop. quoting antigay persons in news articles.

I will. not. stop. saying, So next time there is any article about women's inequality, be sure to use quotes from misogynists. Next time there is any article about race relations, be sure to use quotes from groups like the KKK.

The news media quote literal ANTIGAY and gay-HATING sources. Yet they will not *dare*, wouldn't *dare* to do the same thing if the article was about, say, Martin Luther King's legacy.

And to this day, people vehemently argue that it's not the same thing. And that makes *zero* sense to me.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#36 Feb 17, 2014
The Kansas business community is also freaking out about this because, unlike idiot politicians, business people tend to think things through to their logical conclusion before finalizing decisions.

Think about this. A business owner that's totally gay supportive and welcomes gay people into his or her establishment unknowingly hires a waitperson or host that is *extremely* hostile toward gay people. That person then refuses to seat or serve anyone they believe to be gay and they make it clear why they're acting with such hostility.

Suddenly, a significant part of your customer base will no longer patronize your establishment because of the hostility they face from this one employee THAT YOU CAN'T FIRE! Because their actions are FULLY PROTECTED by the State of Kansas because they're based in religion. If you fire that person for their beliefs, guess what?? YOU get sued!!

So now the business owner is between a rock and a hard place. Lose all your repeat customers and slowly go out of business because your establishment gets a reputation for being hostile to certain customers, or you fire the offender and get slapped with a religious freedom violation suit. What do you do??

You hope and pray that the idiots in charge will realize that discrimination in any form harms everyone. And if your legislature is predominantly Republican, you're screwed.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#37 Feb 17, 2014
eJohn wrote:
The Kansas business community is also freaking out about this because, unlike idiot politicians, business people tend to think things through to their logical conclusion before finalizing decisions.
Think about this. A business owner that's totally gay supportive and welcomes gay people into his or her establishment unknowingly hires a waitperson or host that is *extremely* hostile toward gay people. That person then refuses to seat or serve anyone they believe to be gay and they make it clear why they're acting with such hostility.
Suddenly, a significant part of your customer base will no longer patronize your establishment because of the hostility they face from this one employee THAT YOU CAN'T FIRE! Because their actions are FULLY PROTECTED by the State of Kansas because they're based in religion. If you fire that person for their beliefs, guess what?? YOU get sued!!
So now the business owner is between a rock and a hard place. Lose all your repeat customers and slowly go out of business because your establishment gets a reputation for being hostile to certain customers, or you fire the offender and get slapped with a religious freedom violation suit. What do you do??
You hope and pray that the idiots in charge will realize that discrimination in any form harms everyone. And if your legislature is predominantly Republican, you're screwed.
Exactly.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#38 Feb 17, 2014
eJohn wrote:
The Kansas business community is also freaking out about this because, unlike idiot politicians, business people tend to think things through to their logical conclusion before finalizing decisions.
Think about this. A business owner that's totally gay supportive and welcomes gay people into his or her establishment unknowingly hires a waitperson or host that is *extremely* hostile toward gay people. That person then refuses to seat or serve anyone they believe to be gay and they make it clear why they're acting with such hostility.
Suddenly, a significant part of your customer base will no longer patronize your establishment because of the hostility they face from this one employee THAT YOU CAN'T FIRE! Because their actions are FULLY PROTECTED by the State of Kansas because they're based in religion. If you fire that person for their beliefs, guess what?? YOU get sued!!
So now the business owner is between a rock and a hard place. Lose all your repeat customers and slowly go out of business because your establishment gets a reputation for being hostile to certain customers, or you fire the offender and get slapped with a religious freedom violation suit. What do you do??
You hope and pray that the idiots in charge will realize that discrimination in any form harms everyone. And if your legislature is predominantly Republican, you're screwed.
Excellent points, and none of them had occurred to me. Thanks for a very well-considered, articulate, and fascinating post.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#39 Feb 17, 2014
The thing is, there are no state laws which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. None, not in housing, in employment or even public accommodation and only one city covers it, Lawrence. They essentially already have the right to be as bigoted as they want to be, spelling it out as a preference came across as unseemly.
Common Sense

Lemont Furnace, PA

#40 Feb 17, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The thing is, there are no state laws which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. None, not in housing, in employment or even public accommodation and only one city covers it, Lawrence. They essentially already have the right to be as bigoted as they want to be, spelling it out as a preference came across as unseemly.
Rick,

If you are such a champion about "orientation" why don't you also advocate those of us who are Racially "oriented" anyone who takes the time to research will see articles in prominent publications such as in Scientific American which tell about racism as being inherent and NOT learned.

Just as one does not have to like homosexuals to support their right to be who they are, one is morally obligated to support a member of the HOMORACIAL or racist community's right to associate with who they want to and who they do not want to.

If you are for rights of HOMOs be consistent with those of HomoRacials also.

Otherwise would be hypocrisy.
Common Sense

Lemont Furnace, PA

#41 Feb 17, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The thing is, there are no state laws which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. None, not in housing, in employment or even public accommodation and only one city covers it, Lawrence. They essentially already have the right to be as bigoted as they want to be, spelling it out as a preference came across as unseemly.
There are also no state laws protecting someone due to their RACIAL Orientation, so don't feel so bad, our people are not protected either.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#42 Feb 17, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
Rick,
If you are such a champion about "orientation" why don't you also advocate those of us who are Racially "oriented" anyone who takes the time to research will see articles in prominent publications such as in Scientific American which tell about racism as being inherent and NOT learned.
Just as one does not have to like homosexuals to support their right to be who they are, one is morally obligated to support a member of the HOMORACIAL or racist community's right to associate with who they want to and who they do not want to.
If you are for rights of HOMOs be consistent with those of HomoRacials also.
Otherwise would be hypocrisy.
Ironic name choice given the absence of it here. You're confusing being racially oriented, with being racist to those races you're not oriented towards, not one and the same. You prefer to associate with those of your own race and there are perfectly legal ways for you to do as close to that as you can get in a racially diverse country. In the public square, even those who are racially oriented have to respect the rights of those they aren't racially oriented towards. You do not get to punish those you are not racially oriented towards, sorry.
A New Day

Lenexa, KS

#43 Feb 18, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
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There are also no state laws protecting someone due to their RACIAL Orientation, so don't feel so bad, our people are not protected either.
Common Sense.... Rick in Kansas is one of the very reasons the book, and the documentary "What's The Matter With Kansas" was written and produced. You ought to check either one of them out.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#44 Feb 18, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The thing is, there are no state laws which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. None, not in housing, in employment or even public accommodation and only one city covers it, Lawrence. They essentially already have the right to be as bigoted as they want to be, spelling it out as a preference came across as unseemly.
At least, under current law, fair-minded employers can and do enforce inclusive and respectful policies. As eJohn pointed out, businesses may no longer be able to discipline employees for following their sincerely held spiritual beliefs instead of company policy.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#45 Feb 18, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
At least, under current law, fair-minded employers can and do enforce inclusive and respectful policies. As eJohn pointed out, businesses may no longer be able to discipline employees for following their sincerely held spiritual beliefs instead of company policy.
Most businesses want no part of this, it's just embarrassing. They've had the right to be bigoted all along, but I've never encountered it openly and don't know anyone who has. The bill mentions beliefs against same sex marriages as being specifically protected, but it sets up religious belief as the trump card to ANY limitation on practicing what you preach. Businesses and the government would be pretty much at the mercy of believers under this. If you can't come up with a compelling governmental interest served by limiting their right to freely exercise their deeply held beliefs, you have to allow them to exercise their deeply held belief, no matter how insulting to others their choice of beliefs is.

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