Shepherdsville wins fire-district suit

May 21, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

A decade-old lawsuit between Shepherdsville and the Nichols and Southeast Bullitt fire protection districts has been decided in Shepherdsville's favor.

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My brother and cousin are on the Shepherdsville Fire Dept. and are very happy over this settlement...for once and for all. Long time waiting! Maybe the tension between departments will cease now.
PissedinBullitt

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lavenderlady1989 wrote:
My brother and cousin are on the Shepherdsville Fire Dept. and are very happy over this settlement...for once and for all. Long time waiting! Maybe the tension between departments will cease now.
The tension will never end. Shepherdsville's greed is what caused the whole lawsuit, and now two fire depts. will lose major portions of their fire districts because of it. There are alot of people NOT happy about the decision, and many of them will never let go of the injustice that was served to them by greedy Chief Whittaker and Mayor Tinnell. I really hope that Shepherdsville can make the trip all the way down to Nelson Cty. in reasonable time, because I know that the fire dept. that covered Hwy. 245 from 61 to Nelson won't lift a finger to help the bastards to the North.

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PissedinBullitt wrote:
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The tension will never end. Shepherdsville's greed is what caused the whole lawsuit, and now two fire depts. will lose major portions of their fire districts because of it. There are alot of people NOT happy about the decision, and many of them will never let go of the injustice that was served to them by greedy Chief Whittaker and Mayor Tinnell. I really hope that Shepherdsville can make the trip all the way down to Nelson Cty. in reasonable time, because I know that the fire dept. that covered Hwy. 245 from 61 to Nelson won't lift a finger to help the bastards to the North.
Yeah..and you don't know what you are talking about. Shepherdsville has offered help to make surrponding departments..many times,but help was not needed. Because of this stubborness,it costed Sunshine Baptist church to burn to the ground too. Why should other departments be in control of places in SHEPHERDSVILLE LIMITS????? It is suposed to be about protecting citizens property,and nothing else...not this bickering back and forth for nothing. All of them need to grow up!
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Just for some facts on this subject. This has nothing to do with money for Shepherdsville Fire. When people that are in the city limits pay their taxes they are entitled to receive certain benefits from the city which include Fire & Police services. The city does not pursue annexation, they only do it on request from the property owners. Such is the case on Hwy 480 where the Cedar Grove Industrial Park is now. When it was annexed it was just farm land then . When it became news that it was becoming valuable property is when the lawsuits began. The KRS sets how much the Fire Departments that are taxing districts get of the property tax so if there was anyone that was motivated by greed would be the ones that receive that tax base. For History purpose Shepherdsville Fire was here before some of the Fire Districts and actually covered their areas. I have nothing bad to say about any of the other fire departments because they are all good men and women who put their lives on the line to save life and property and we should be thankful to them all. Shepherdsville is as professional as the others and you should take a tour just to see how well they are. Leave this silly fight to the courts and the lawyers and lets move on to work together with pride!
PissedinBullitt Too

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Who to believe? "Shepherdsville Lady" claims that by looking into the history you can see that Shepherdsville Fire has been there before some of these 'other' departments. Here is some history for you: this 'other' department was started thirty years ago because residence in areas like hwy 480 were not recieving proper fire protection. Yes, thirty years of protection from this 'other' department. They were there before the benifits and any financial gain. They were there when their neighbors to the north wouldn't come. And if "This has nothing to do with money for Shepherdsville Fire." then why? Why annex a fire district for the hell of it? I too agree that we all do the same job and should get along, but we shouldn't bend over backwards and let one department get what they want for the sake of peace. Let the department that has protected that location for three decades do so, and then re-instate mutual aid and we can all be brothers like it should be.
Arrogance is a quality that we cannot afford. I hope that in time things will be set right, but I fear that biased officials will continue the injustice they have so far shown. One more fact, despite the decision made on this lawsuit, by a court order Shepherdsville still is not responding to the industrial park.
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Have you not noticed that the last post was back in June? Why start this ridiculous conversation all over again? Move on...you will be ok.
PissedinBullitt Too

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WHY wrote:
Have you not noticed that the last post was back in June? Why start this ridiculous conversation all over again? Move on...you will be ok.
Whether the last comment was made in June or not, the fact remains that Shepherdsville Fire does not have the right to annex districts from other departments. Just because the city utilities were extended, the fire service should only extend if there was not a department currently protecting that area. I hope that by some miracle the lawsuit is over-turned, because I know this 'other' department will not back down like two others have already. Why is it that when the department to the south mistakenly gets sent to an incident inside city limits, Shepherdsville raises caine that the incident is in their territory? I know when it happens the other way around, Shepherdsville never even bothers informing Bullitt County Alarm of the mistake. And one more thing, being a regular fire department. That is hillarious. Claiming that you are regular and actually meeting the requirements are two different things. On how many occasions must someone go to the firehouse and not find anyone before the judge acknowledges that they are far from what they claim? Oh, and if you're so worried about how long it's been since the last post, then why bother responding to mine?

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1) Shepherdsville FD was here before all the other departments. The fire districts came into existence because the mayor at that time, Adrian Jones, decided that he didn't want city tax dollars being spent out of the city. That was a fiscally responsible idea but it came with a price.
2) As stated previouslsy, if someone is paying taxes to Shepherdsville, their fire and police protection are paid for by paying these taxes. Why would anyone want to pay for the same service twice? It brings up legal questions such as taxation without representation. Not to mention the fact that the City's fire department is closer than the districts' so the response time is better.
3) I agree that there are hard feelings on both sides. But after the dust settles- which it is about to- those that cannot get on the train will be left at the station. So the chiefs, firefighters and council/board members can get along or step aside.
4) There are specific statutes that allow city's to annex unincorporated territory. It matters not that the area is currently served by a fire protection district. The bottom line is that more oftentimes than not unincorporated land has no infrastructure, that is, there is no electric, sewer or water service. The county isn't going to provide it. So a landowner/developer asks for annexation so that they can get city services, i.e., infrastructure. Then during and after construction they are also given police, fire, and city works services as icing on the cake. Sorry, but you can't get that without being annexed.

Lastly, the actual suit has been over for some time. The City was found to have a "regular fire department" as defined by law. The last issue before the Court, being heard on Dec. 15, is how much money the City will have to pay as "proportionate share of indebtedness" so that the City will again protect what is in the City.
Good luck to all involved. You'll either evolve or become extinct. It's your choice.
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Excessive Force - good points. Sticking to facts is what is needed and leave the bitter feelings at the curb. The City of Shepherdsville does not look for annexation. They just answer requests. It is true if you knock on the door at Shepherdsville Fire or call their phone you may not get an answer but that doesn't mean they are not there. Its a big building. They have a kitchen and weight room, basketball gym, rec room, training room, living quarters so they may not hear you knock on the door or hear the phone ring, but those are not for emergencies. Fire tones are for emergencies and they all have their pagers and the tones sound thru the building.
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Well, heres my comment, for the people that dont know anything about Shepherdsville Fire and all the other depts. around them they dont know the whole story..... NOONE said that Shepherdsville Fire could respond into other depts. districts to fight fire or other needs, they just took it upon themselfs to respond. Just last night Shepherdsville made a run to the Industial park but it is still in Someone elses district and that other dept. was knocked out but was cancelled because the MORON that wass on scene was a Shepherdsville Police Officer and told the dispatcher that it was Shepherdsvilles District....this dumbass needs to let the dispatchers do the dispatchers job, do the right thing and keep Shepherdville out of other departments areas... Nothing has been set in stone and those bumdass to the north of 480 are still thinking they rule the roost and they dont ...
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I think the best solution for it all is if all of the fire departments in Bullitt County would merge. I would like tosee the EMS merge under the Fire Department too.. Just one Bullitt County Fire and EMS. No territory, one Chief, one board of directors, no innocent citizen paying the price over a turf war. EMS workers would get a pay raise with the State Incentive and all fulltime employees could get Hazardous Duty retirement.

Next County Judge should push for a merged Fire/EMS. I would be ok with merging all these Police Departments too. Maybe just have a Bullitt County Police Department.

It would save money and headache. Too many Chiefs in this county.
PissedinBullitt Too

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The idea of becoming identical to metro kills me. Who would you have be the chief of this united fire protection agency? Whitaker? Orkies? What about the other 4 cheifs in the county. You think that discion would unite these districts? Each cheif know his distric better the the others, in most cases and it should be left alone.
No body gives a shit that the Shepherdsville Fire Dept had been in existance longest. The mere fact that they were here, but would not respond to outlying areas created these other departments, and people need to recognize the fact that these other departments have been serving the citizens of Bullitt loyally for many, many years.
If things go completely into shepherdsville's favor, when would it end? They annex the industrial park, is highway 61 next? Then what? Highway 245? The greed of Shepherdsville will never end, especially if we stand by and allow them to push us around.
Shepherdsville should not be responding to the industrial park, per the last court order, they will not have control over the park until "proportionate share of indebtedness" has been repaid. For an agency with little money due to poor financial leadership, this will be a very long time. So my question is why are they allowed to break the law? They were on scene last night at the industrial park when clearly they shouldn't have been. This goes to show they are truly not trying to resolve things with Southeast, but rather stir up more dust. The right thing to do would have been to call County Alarm and advise "thats going to be on Southeast". You can post as many facts and knowledge as you can find, but you will not sway mine, nor many others' opinions about Shepherdsville.
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PissedinBullitt you seem to have a very angry chip on your shoulder. The Industrial Park pays city taxes...correct? So a part of the services they receive from that is sewers, police protection and fire protection. It is their duty to respond. They won the court case that Southeast filed on whether Shepherdsville is a regular fire department. So why are you still complaining? Two of the fire departments in the lawsuit were willing to sit down and talk to resolve this issue for the betterment of the community. Shepherdsville has a committee ready to talk with Southeast but so far Southeast has refused to meet. I don't have a dog in this fight, just looking at the facts I see. I feel that you have a major anger issue and that stands in the way of your better judgement. You need to look at what is best for the community not what is best for Southeast.
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Truth and justice, they may have won the LAWSUITE but still does no mean that they can respond into other dept. district. Where your from, do other depts,. respond to yall fire runs or do your dispstchers tone out the right dept.How do you know if shepherdsville is a "REGULAR" fire dept. or not you dont even live here.the reason southeast has refused to talk is because Shepherdsville does not want to pay the district that the "Industial Park" lays within. They just want to get the money from them just so they can say they have the "Industrial Park". The District Boundrey is not in Shepherdsvilles Fire District. Its in southeasts District and they are toned out but Shepherdsville has someone that works for dispatch and they dispatch Shepherdsville and southeast never gets told about it and they just get screwed.
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Hey Dagger. Maybe you shouldn't be calling our police and firefighters such names. Your foul language shows your own ignorance. Besides if you are going to be so tough as to call the officer such a name at least have the intestinal fortitude to print your real name behind it. If you are not going to put your name behind that statement then maybe you should keep your mouth shut. Opinions are fine, and debates are great, but you are dipping into personal attacks here so if you are going to attack personally then man up or shut up.
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Organized Chaos, weather you are a firefighter or police, i have no problem with either, but to have another dept. run into someone elses district is just wrong and you knnow just as well as i do, but the officer did call dispatch and say to dispatch a dept. that doesnt belong in that area.Dont mean to make people mad but its the truth and for the foul words, "I SORRY".
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The ruling stated that all depts. go back to the "original" boundries. This means that all depts. go back to the original one set back in i think 1974. If this is true, then Shepherdsville still has no right because they werent that large back then anyway ans southeast didnt exist. Well even if southeast didntt exist its still their and until they are told otherwise i hope they still responded on what ever the call is. And one other thing, Organized Chaos, I think i Deserved that but if i have the freedom of speech i can voice my mind, sounds like i made someone mad, and if you dont live in ths county, maybe you need to keep your mouth shut.
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Dagger I do live in Shepherdsville for one. Secondly the "ruling" you are talking about was remanded by a higher court and sent back to the local court to deciede if Shepherdsville is a regular fire department. Shepherdsville won that decision so that means that the Industrial Park is in their district. You need to read KRS chapters 75 & 95 and it will explain that when a municipality annexes property its fire department takes over that area and must pay the taxing district its proportionate share. Well the land at the time of annexation was just farm land so what expense did you have then? You can't claim expense of the industrial park because you would not have had that had you not filed the law suit. Again Shepherdsville is willing to sit down and talk, why isn't Southeast? Why continue to burn the taxpayers money on this lawsuit? Maybe with the sewer expansion project they are doing they will annex down Hwy 245 and take in your fire station and then there will be no more Southeast and this will end.
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Nov 25, 2009
 
pissedin bullitt too,why don't you stick yor nose up Julius hatfield's rectum! After your done, learn more about the issues instead of talking about things that you have no idea about! You must be a fireman that roles up the hose after house fires. You stand around when everyone else is inside the burning house safing lives and putting the fires out. Your a real joke!
I do not know chief whittaker or Mr. Tronzo well, but he and Mr. Tronzo of shepherdsville Fire Dept, each have more training than all fire chiefs in bullitt County combined and then some. Chief whittaker I understand is a high ranking officer with Lexington fire Dept.and Tronzo was also assistant chief of Louisville. Does any of the other fire depts have any of that leadership?
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Nov 25, 2009
 
Hey Dagger. Freedom of speach is great and yes we all have it. I was addressing your foul language, of which you apologized for, and your personal attack on a civil servant. If you are going to personally attack someone don't hide behind a false name. I appreciate you stepping up and apologizing for that and that I tip my hat to you. On the note of living in this county; I live and work in this county. I know many of these civil servants and respect almost all of them. Good luck to you and your rant against an already settled issue. Maybe you shouldn't get so personally wrapped up in this, but that is your choice. Have a good Turkey Day all.

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