Fire chief to ask Civil Service Commissio to remove 30-minute residency requirement for firefighters

Jan 27, 2013 Full story: EParis Extra 39

Paris fire chief Larry Wright is taking a step this week toward increasing the number of minority firefighters in the department.

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BBHC

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#21 Feb 1, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>We're talking location here -- not race or gender. Hispanics, blacks, and women have been eligible for years, so the pool isn't being expanded in that regard. Again, I say, if it's only about the best, the brightest, and the fittest, why inject race and gender into it?
When the 30 minute rule goes away, the pool of eligibles will increase by the amount of people living beyond the 30 minute boundary. Race and gender are already "injected" by the historical lagging numbers of women and minorities in public safety institutions.
Daisy

Paris, TX

#22 Feb 1, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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When the 30 minute rule goes away, the pool of eligibles will increase by the amount of people living beyond the 30 minute boundary. Race and gender are already "injected" by the historical lagging numbers of women and minorities in public safety institutions.
Huh? Are you saying there are no qualified blacks, hispanics, or women in Lamar County?
BBHC

Spring, TX

#23 Feb 1, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? Are you saying there are no qualified blacks, hispanics, or women in Lamar County?
Don't ask me, ask the Chief. If he was having an easy time bringing them in, why would he want the 30 minute rule gone?
cash

Blossom, TX

#24 Feb 2, 2013
hire local people support paris
Daisy

Paris, TX

#25 Feb 2, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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Don't ask me, ask the Chief. If he was having an easy time bringing them in, why would he want the 30 minute rule gone?
But I thought you said the reason for getting rid of the 30 minute rule was not to recruit blacks, hispanics, and women. Is it, or isn't it?
Duh mass

United States

#26 Feb 2, 2013
If there are no qualified minorities locally but there are qualified people, I have a real problem expanding the recruiting distance just to get minorities hired into jobs that local residents are qualified to do!
BBHC

United States

#27 Feb 2, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>But I thought you said the reason for getting rid of the 30 minute rule was not to recruit blacks, hispanics, and women. Is it, or isn't it?
Recruiting qualified minorities was presented as a reason, not the only one.
BBHC

United States

#28 Feb 2, 2013
Duh mass wrote:
If there are no qualified minorities locally but there are qualified people, I have a real problem expanding the recruiting distance just to get minorities hired into jobs that local residents are qualified to do!
The 30 min rule is artificially locking out applicants of ALL races. Paris resident can drive to job at Dallas FD but Dallas resident can't drive to job at PFD? What happened to "right to work?"
cash

Blossom, TX

#29 Feb 2, 2013
locals need the work take care of our own first
Daisy

Paris, TX

#30 Feb 2, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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Recruiting qualified minorities was presented as a reason, not the only one.
How would you feel if Williams had said, "We want to drop the 30 minute rule so we can recruit more qualified white males"?
Daisy

Paris, TX

#31 Feb 2, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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Recruiting qualified minorities was presented as a reason, not the only one.
Please answer the question: Are you saying that there are no qualified minorities in Lamar County?
BBHC

Conroe, TX

#32 Feb 2, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>How would you feel if Williams had said, "We want to drop the 30 minute rule so we can recruit more qualified white males"?
That's nonsensical because the rule isn't hindering the recruitment of such.
BBHC

United States

#33 Feb 2, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>Please answer the question: Are you saying that there are no qualified minorities in Lamar County?
I already answered. I do not know but someone who should know is the Chief. Either he knows his stuff or he doesn't and if he doesn't then he is simply proving that white males residing within 30 minutes of the square aren't necessarily the best.
Daisy

Paris, TX

#34 Feb 2, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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That's nonsensical because the rule isn't hindering the recruitment of such.
But you seem to be saying here that it is: "If he was having an easy time bringing them in, why would he want the 30 minute rule gone?" What did you mean by that?
Daisy

Paris, TX

#35 Feb 2, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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I already answered. I do not know but someone who should know is the Chief. Either he knows his stuff or he doesn't and if he doesn't then he is simply proving that white males residing within 30 minutes of the square aren't necessarily the best.
No, you didn't answer it. Are you saying that there are no qualified blacks, hispanics, or women in Lamar County? A simple yes or no will suffice.
BBHC

United States

#36 Feb 2, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>No, you didn't answer it. Are you saying that there are no qualified blacks, hispanics, or women in Lamar County? A simple yes or no will suffice.
My remarks are predicated on the assumption that the chief is making his statements based on sound data.
BBHC

United States

#37 Feb 2, 2013
Daisy wrote:
<quoted text>But you seem to be saying here that it is: "If he was having an easy time bringing them in, why would he want the 30 minute rule gone?" What did you mean by that?
I meant what I meant. There lies your answer. Chief talked about expanding the hiring pool. People plenty qualified but locked out by an arbitrary dotted line. If minorities are snagged in that net, so much the better when dealing with minority underepresentation. A diverse and competent workforce provides better public service when it has a connection to the public it serves.
Daisy

Paris, TX

#38 Feb 3, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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My remarks are predicated on the assumption that the chief is making his statements based on sound data.
Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle. LOL!
Daisy

Paris, TX

#39 Feb 3, 2013
BBHC wrote:
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I meant what I meant. There lies your answer. Chief talked about expanding the hiring pool. People plenty qualified but locked out by an arbitrary dotted line. If minorities are snagged in that net, so much the better when dealing with minority underepresentation. A diverse and competent workforce provides better public service when it has a connection to the public it serves.
So why didn't he just say he was recruiting outside the 30 minute line and leave it at that? When he specifically says he wants blacks, hispanics, and women, don't you think that might dissuade very qualified white men from applying? What does diversity have to do with competence? Are you saying that a white man can't as competently rescue a black child as a black man or a hispanic woman can? Explain to me specifically why it matters what color or gender a firefighter is.

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