Folsom Fire Company Shut Down

Jan 12, 2012 Full story: NBC40.net 57

Members of the Folsom Volunteer Fire Company got a rude awakening this morning when they received a call from the Borough saying that they would be removing their trucks and outsourcing their services.

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not ur average bear

Woodbury, NJ

#43 Jan 26, 2012
this forum (not the situation) is entertaining
not ur average bear

Woodbury, NJ

#44 Jan 26, 2012
Seriously? id like to know how u find the time to make these posts in between OD'ing and community service. Just stop now before ur further embarrass urself
Larry smith jr wrote:
12-3 ain't all that al uhave a lot of untrained members and also a lot of old members also u ain't shit never going to be shit and u suck I'm tired of u bashing us and wish u would identify itself to everyone but no cause u would look dumber than u already do get a life u know ur company can't handle it and your officers are a bunch of conniving backstabbers especially the commissioner but that's to be expected after all u guys do lite fires in spring and summer just to get paid by the state for fforest fire I know a lot more than u think so u want a war to I don't care but u need to stop bashing us and get a life I know who u are but let everyone else know I dare u u used to be a folsommember then reloads ur plan to be chief was never going to happen so u ran away like the coward u are and joined a bunch of other cowards I had a lot of respect for your company before but when you guys lied right to the faces of our officers it's all lost how does this decision get made and your chief says he just found out bout it the morning before contract was signed but your commissioner said it's been in the works for weeks !!!!!humm just what I thought typicalL laker and your not even a laker but a poser get real
Karl

Carbondale, PA

#45 Feb 3, 2012
NFPA states that 4 Firefighters per truck. And the average for a small town vol fire co is 10 - 15 active firefighters, Including my own( We have about 12 and only 3 are under 30 years of age). That is what mutual aid is for. It like nobody wants firefighters anymore. The grants shrinking in size and harder to get every year and for those who have paid departments, as soon as there is a budget problem, Firefighters are the first to go. Now if the department can pay the bills and make the calls, no one should have the right to shut them down. And then to go after their property claiming it belongs to the borough, WRONG!!!! It belongs to the firefighters who worked their asses off to raise the funds to purchase the building, property, and equipment. I hope this company can find a way to purchase a new truck with grants and fundraisers, as well as the citizens who care about their community enough that they would join the company to either fight the fires or help with their fundraisers. This way they can tell the mayor to shove the lawsuit up his ASS!!!!!!!!!! Because if this keeps up. Their wont be anyone to save your ass when your house catches fire, to provide medical service when you suffer a heart attack, or to cut you out of your car when you get into a wreck in the middle of no where!!!

PS: how much money does the council think they will save by shutting down the company. a few thousand for insurance. if the company receives funding from taxes are the taxes being lowered. if not where is that money going. Who paid them off!!!
Helen Russell Slater

Denver, CO

#47 Feb 15, 2012
I agree. People are always ready to complain but not ready to do anything about things they are not happy about.
beenherefor40yea rs

Sicklerville, NJ

#48 Feb 17, 2012
How can I, a 40 year resident of Folsom have stopped Mayor & Some Council members from doing what they did without any warning? Mayor keeps yakkin' that no one shows up @ mtgs, etc. and cites the Workshop(s) that discussed the Plan to have a resolution to go w/CLFD, but that wasn't discussed in public mtgs; read the meeting(s) minutes. http://www.folsomborough.com/main/minutes.asp...
As far as not going to mtgs; we did many times in past BEFORE they were televised. In fact, our neighbors & us helped get the school addition done in 80s so that Kindergarten children were moved from Fire House to the school and the gym/lunch room was built plus other additions.
So, Mayor's standard SA remark to residents' complaints about this fiasco; about not attending meetings is shallow and childish... the PUBLIC PORTION of the mtgs. are televised Mayor, you know that! What you do in private is Not available to the public unless someone squeals.
We have sent many letters of appreciation to the Mayor and Council citing the outstanding work done by the Road Crew and Clerks) over the past 10 years, BUT, those folks, the Road Crew and Clerk(s) said they never saw those letters! hmmm...
ppl always talking

Sicklerville, NJ

#49 Feb 18, 2012
not your average bear comes on here not with a real name of course and makes a comment not about the situation but about someone commenting on here and if he did research he is not on community service or od'ing and it's ashame that ppl come on here hiding their true identity just to talk about someone else and make themselves feel better about "their" insecurities
theycanthandleth etruth

Sicklerville, NJ

#50 Feb 19, 2012
ppl always talking wrote:
not your average bear comes on here not with a real name of course and makes a comment not about the situation but about someone commenting on here and if he did research he is not on community service or od'ing and it's ashame that ppl come on here hiding their true identity just to talk about someone else and make themselves feel better about "their" insecurities
I agree with you! SOS, Internet tuff guys and gals who don't have the nerve to tell their lies to the person face-to-face. It'll never end for these low-lifes.
Cooper

Glendora, NJ

#51 Feb 22, 2012
I think that all this "bashing" is not fixing any problems. Instead of typing at eachother maybe all of this energy would be better served in making a difference. The truth is the truth..u can either handle it or ignore it..either way, its still there.
notalltheinfohas beenprovi

Sicklerville, NJ

#52 Mar 25, 2012
How much is Folsom Paying for the shared services under this agreement?
And has BVT decided or plan to decide to reduce amount to Fire Dept from its Budget and have Folsom pay a portion? Same for future equipment and facility maintenance or purchases?

THE BVT 2011 Budget has this in it;
http://www.buenavistatownship.org/pdf_files/C...
Explanations of Appropriations for
"Other Expenses"
Contractual services for garbage and trash removal, fire hydrant service, aid to volunteer fire companies, etc.;
Buena Vista Township - Fire District JIF Insurance
11-250; Anticipated for 2011; $29,890.00
SFSP Fire District Payment 25-265;
$2,897.00

What else is provided that Folsom may have to reimburse BVT for in future? I can't see it listed.

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FOLSOM
"...RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXEUCTION OF A SHARED SERVICE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE BOROUGH OF FOLSOM AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF FIRE DISTRICT NUMBER 5 IN THE TOWNSHIP OF BUENA VISTA FOR THE PROVISION OF FIRE SERVICES

WHEREAS, the Borough of Folsom wishes to ensure the safety and welfare of its residents by providing fire suppression services and other emergency related services which is professional, comprehensive and affordable to its residents; and

WHEREAS, the Collings Lakes Volunteer Fire Department provides fire suppression services and other emergency related services to the residents of Collings Lakes in the Township of Buena Vista under contract with the Board of Commissioners of Fire District Number 5 in the Township of Buena Vista; and

WHEREAS, the Collings Lakes Volunteer Fire Department is close by, qualified and able to provide such services to the Borough of Folsom; and

WHEREAS, the Board of Commissioners of Fire District Number 5 in the Township of Buena Vista is willing to have the Collings Lakes Volunteer Fire Department provide such services to the Borough of Folsom; and

WHEREAS, the Uniform Shared Services and Consolidation Act, N.J.S.A. 40A:65-1 et seq. permits to local governmental units to enter into a contract for any service which any party to the Agreement is empowered to render within its jurisdiction; and

WHEREAS, the Borough of Folsom and the Board of Commissioners of Fire District Number 5 in the Township of Buena Vista agree that their mutual public purposes and best interests will be promoted by the execution and delivery of this Shared Service Agreement pursuant to the powers authorized by the Uniform Shared Services and Consolidation Act; and

WHEREAS, this Resolution is necessary to permit and authorize the Mayor and Acting Clerk of the Borough of Folsom to execute this Shared Service Agreement on behalf of the Borough of Folsom;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Council of the Borough of Folsom, County of Atlantic and State of New Jersey that the Mayor and Acting Clerk of the Borough of Folsom are hereby authorized to execute the Shared Service Agreement with the Board of Commissioners of Fire District Number 5 in the Township of Buena Vista, County of Atlantic, State of New Jersey for the provision of fire suppression and related emergency services..."
http://www.folsomborough.com/main/minutes.asp...
1/11/2012 - Council Meeting Minutes - View/Download
im2clueless

Sicklerville, NJ

#53 Mar 26, 2012
notalltheinfohas beenprovi, What on earth are you talking about??? if you read posted all of these minutes should'nt you have read the amount?
notalltheinfohas beenprov

Sicklerville, NJ

#54 Mar 27, 2012
im2clueless wrote:
notalltheinfohas beenprovi, What on earth are you talking about??? if you read posted all of these minutes should'nt you have read the amount?
Hello,
The total amount to be paid to CL District 5 is not in the minutes.

The mayor did state that Folsom will save $$$ of dollars.

I am simply stating that BVT does support the fire dept w/$
I see no agreement between Folsom and BVT.
And will BVT decide that when future training, equipment and new trucks or building maintenance is neeed, will BVT ask Folsom to share in the costs?
im2clueless

Sicklerville, NJ

#55 Mar 30, 2012
FYI... the amount is $15k/yr.Your not reading the right information....
notalltheinfohas beenprov

Sicklerville, NJ

#56 Mar 30, 2012
But, my main subject is;
How much is Folsom Paying for the shared services under this agreement? Shared Services with BVT, Not the CL FD

Folsom has not negotiated w/BVT - BVT supports the CL FD With Tax Money.

Thanks, but the 15,000 is from the 2/8/2012 - Council Meeting Minutes; scroll all the way down to about 9/10th of the page - "...asked Mayor and Council how much money is the Borough of Folsom contributing to the Folsom Fire Co. Mayor Ballistreri responded that it will cost $15,000.00."

What will cost $15,000? The person asked how much Folsom is (or was) giving to the FOLSOM FD.

If that is a typo then suppose the $15K is for the CL District; for how long a period?
im2clueless

Sicklerville, NJ

#57 Apr 1, 2012
i guess you will have to go to folsom town hall and get the correct info.... and let us know.
notalltheinfohas beenprov

Sicklerville, NJ

#58 Dec 13, 2012
im2clueless wrote:
i guess you will have to go to folsom town hall and get the correct info.... and let us know.
Many have tried recently and have been ridiculed by the mayor and then the mayor has said he has already discussed this and will not address it again.
The meeting minutes do not address the Question exc in a vague description with no statements shown by mayor;
For Example, See 7/11/2012 - Council Meeting
http://www.folsomborough.com/pdfs/July%20Minu...
zzzz (xxxx Dr.) questioned Mayor and Council how she can get the facts regarding the Fire Co. ligation.

xxxx (vvvRd.) questioned Mayor and Council on salary increases to
Borough employees. Ms. Parker also questioned the Fire Company ligation.
Liberty Warrior

Hammonton, NJ

#59 Dec 15, 2012
Many fire departments are closing nationwide. Volunteerism is down in many SJ communities. Who's looking out for us? Communities and community leaders need to be cognizant of the unintended consequences of the reduced capability of local responders deployed from individual fire stations. The adequacy and location of apparatus and equipment as well as changes to staffing can affect the capabilities and performance of any fire department. Decisions made by community leaders regarding individual fire stations and staff can help save lives and property. However, when resources are reduced below minimum criteria, such intentions can be compromised and potentially lead to higher future losses. Eventually I guess we'll have to have County or State Fire Departments.
Liberty Warrior

Hammonton, NJ

#60 Dec 18, 2012
Hug a firefighter. The life they save may be your own.

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