Delaware County | Fire levies divide voters

Oct 3, 2012 Full story: The Columbus Dispatch 15

Fire levies on the ballot this fall have divided voters in two communities in southern Delaware County, forcing residents to decide just how much they are willing to pay for fire and emergency medical protection.

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Funny

Ashburn, VA

#1 Oct 3, 2012
No mention in the article that the Liberty Township Fire Levy constitutes a whopping 42% increase increase in taxes. The proponents will say but there has been growth which is the justification for more money. How stupid can they be? With growth you are supposed to get economies of scale.
Here They go Again

Beacon, NY

#2 Oct 4, 2012
Love it when Chief Jensen and the union members play politics but they do not paying property taxes to Liberty Township. First they parade a female employee in front of the trustees in an attempt to embarrass Trustee Leneghan over a personal conversation at the local Starbucks. Now they seize upon some recent resignations coaching those Union brotherhood personnel who are leaving for other opportunities to say it was because of the uncertain outcome of the Levy.Personnel leave all the time for other jobs etc. It is just pure BS to try and use the levy as a reason when the outcome has not been decided. Just an attempt on the part of Jensen et al to scare the voters into submission. Chief Jensen put your money where your mouth and pay your fair share by moving to Liberty Township and start paying property taxes.
Wondering

Toronto, Canada

#3 Oct 5, 2012
If the fire girl will follow the fireboy to Washington Township? Heard the Starbucks tastes better in Dublin. It seems to be working separating the wheat from the chaff.
Trent

Delaware, OH

#4 Oct 5, 2012
Funny wrote:
No mention in the article that the Liberty Township Fire Levy constitutes a whopping 42% increase increase in taxes. The proponents will say but there has been growth which is the justification for more money. How stupid can they be? With growth you are supposed to get economies of scale.
You throw out a big number like 42%, but that does not mean much. What is the current rate, and what does almost doubling it look like. I don't mind doubling 2. If you want real discussion provide some context.
The Truth

Powell, OH

#5 Oct 7, 2012
Trent wrote:
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You throw out a big number like 42%, but that does not mean much. What is the current rate, and what does almost doubling it look like. I don't mind doubling 2. If you want real discussion provide some context.
People don't really understand what a levy is. It is a specific dollar amount, divided by the number of parcels, equaling the millage. The current millage is 6.0 But when new properties are built, and the tax on those properties increases, everyone else's taxes go down, making the current levy's effective rate at about 4.7 mils. The 6 mil levy, passed in 2002 and again in 2007, collected around $6M per year. Those were the township's highest years of growth. But now that the growth has slowed to about 4% a year, they want $8.5M per year. During the past decade, when they only needed $6M to run their department AND build, equip and staff a new station, now they want a $2.5M per year increase.

If their budget increased at 5% per year, that brings their costs to $6.3M,$6.615M,$6.95M,$7.25M and $7.6M over the next five years. Yet they are asking for an additional $8.5M PER YEAR. That is an overage of $7.8M over five years, even with their 5% annual increase.

If the cost of the department is really $7.2M, which is a huge lie, they still have millions in overages.

If this levy passes, they will never come back and ask for less, even if they have millions of our tax dollars just sitting around. They will keep it and ask for more.
Liberty Levy

Toronto, Canada

#6 Oct 13, 2012
With the Federal government financial cliff looming , our taxes are going to go up significantly after the November election. While we can do little to control this looming storm ,we an control excessive local taxes such as the proposed 6.7 mill Liberty Township Fire levy. Melanie Leneghan , was elected Trustee in 2011 to replace burned out Bob Mann. She has put forth the idea of rejecting the Levy in November and coming back with a 6 mill levy in February. We all elected Melanie to change the way things are done in Liberty Township. Let's all support her by Voting NO in November.
Paid Mercenaries

Tempe, AZ

#7 Oct 15, 2012
It is hard to support a 42 % increase in our property taxes when the vast majority of the Fire/EMS personnel, including the Fire Chief, are essentially paid "mercenaries" who do not have any tax skin in the community, as the pay no property taxes or income taxes (Powell people only). If they truly wanted to be part of the community each would cut a yearly tax deductible check (say for $300)to Liberty Township as a community contribution as opposed to paying union dues to print political signs begging the taxpayers for our hard earned dollars.
mercenaries!? really!

Columbus, OH

#8 Oct 16, 2012
Paid Mercenaries wrote:
It is hard to support a 42 % increase in our property taxes when the vast majority of the Fire/EMS personnel, including the Fire Chief, are essentially paid "mercenaries" who do not have any tax skin in the community, as the pay no property taxes or income taxes (Powell people only). If they truly wanted to be part of the community each would cut a yearly tax deductible check (say for $300)to Liberty Township as a community contribution as opposed to paying union dues to print political signs begging the taxpayers for our hard earned dollars.
Most firefighters who work there probably live in areas that pay more mils for their own fire Levys but can't afford homes in liberty township!
Malarky

Beacon, NY

#9 Oct 17, 2012
Most are married with working spouses/live ins etc. Liberty Township is quite affordable on two incomes ,and for the singles rentals are abundant and reasonable. Liberty Township Fire/EMS are seemingly prima donnas wanting all the benefits or working in a low risk community with low run volumes. Yet they do virtually nothing to participate or give back to the community unless they are on the clock and being paid. Even the Starbucks girl was on the clock when when she launched accusations against a Trustee. The fact that the Fire Chief doesn't even live in Delaware County is a disgrace that needs to be remedied.
mercenaries!? really!

Columbus, OH

#10 Oct 17, 2012
Malarky wrote:
Most are married with working spouses/live ins etc. Liberty Township is quite affordable on two incomes ,and for the singles rentals are abundant and reasonable. Liberty Township Fire/EMS are seemingly prima donnas wanting all the benefits or working in a low risk community with low run volumes. Yet they do virtually nothing to participate or give back to the community unless they are on the clock and being paid. Even the Starbucks girl was on the clock when when she launched accusations against a Trustee. The fact that the Fire Chief doesn't even live in Delaware County is a disgrace that needs to be remedied.

You no absolutely nothing about what those men and women do for the community! I've seen them go above and beyond their jobs to help people in the community! I pray for your sake you don't need them but if you do, you will get nothing but professionalism at its best and Very knowledgeable crews! You are obviously leneghan's croonie that's why you would bad mouth people who look out for you and your family! Your are what the world calls a waste of life, worried about others and not looking at what you do!
Kwadd

Powell, OH

#13 Jan 20, 2013
If we listen to these budget hawks, vote down the levy and reap the following benefits:

- Substandard / unreliable emergency services that can endanger your family

-Higher property insurance rates due to lack of compentent emergency fire services

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spike your face.
Zip Zero Notta

Ashburn, VA

#14 Jan 24, 2013
That's how much Chief Jensen and the Liberty Township fire /ems personnel pay in property taxes to Liberty Township. Time for them to become part of the community.
Excuse me

Powell, OH

#15 Jan 24, 2013
When did Leneghan ever bad mouth the firefighters? Um, NEVER!! Her issue was with the other trustees and the amount of money they were asking for because she thought it was too expensive. The voters agreed with her, so she was RIGHT. She did NOT want those four FFs laid off and she voted AGAINST it. She wants a natural reduction in staff through attrition, which means they don't replace someone who has resigned or retired until they reach a sustainable level of employees that the taxpayers are willing to pay for. Quit reading this stupid forum and go to a few trustee meetings.

Strange how you defend the FFs by stating how much they help the community and then call someone, who you don't even know, a waste of life. What kind of person even talks like that? The majority of people voted no on the November levy. Are they all a waste of life, too? I hope YOU don't need any of THEM...like all of the doctors who voted no!

[QUOTE who="mercenaries!? really! "]<quoted text>
You no absolutely nothing about what those men and women do for the community! I've seen them go above and beyond their jobs to help people in the community! I pray for your sake you don't need them but if you do, you will get nothing but professionalism at its best and Very knowledgeable crews! You are obviously leneghan's croonie that's why you would bad mouth people who look out for you and your family! Your are what the world calls a waste of life, worried about others and not looking at what you do![/QUOTE]
Even Better

Columbus, OH

#16 Jan 24, 2013
Zip Zero Notta wrote:
That's how much Chief Jensen and the Liberty Township fire /ems personnel pay in property taxes to Liberty Township. Time for them to become part of the community.
Zip, Zero, Notta - that's how much a Liberty Township citizen will pay in property taxes to Liberty Township for fire and EMS protection this year. Do not ask of others that which you are not willing to do yourself!
No taxes in 2013

Powell, OH

#17 Jan 24, 2013
It wasn't the voters' plan to pay nothing. They just didn't want to pay what Sybert and Carducci wanted them to pay.

The position Liberty is now in is courtesy of Sybert and Carducci and the horrible political tactics they used to try and push a 42% tax increase at the last possible chance. They knew if it failed there would be no funding for 2013, but obviously didn't care. Nevermind that the last levy expired in December of 2011 and they had many elections to test that type of increase on the citizens of Liberty Township. Hell, they could have, and should have, done a poll of the voters to see how much they were willing to pay! But without consulting with one single resident, they waited until the last minute and rolled the dice anyway. Their gamble did not pay off. Sybert and Carducci toyed with the safety of Liberty's residents. That is unforgivable!

We are not actually paying nothing this year since we will have to make up the difference over the next five years. So it's no taxes for now, and an increase for the five years following so they can pay back the money they will have to borrow to keep the fire department running in 2013. VERY POOR decision making on their part. They were NOT looking out for the residents AT ALL when they put that 6.6 mil levy on in November.

Now the township is in a position that we have to pass an emergency levy or we will have no fire department at all. The trustees can't even borrow money to keep the fire department if the February levy doesn't pass.

We are an educated electorate. We recognize bullying political tactics when we see them. The same thing happened in Orange Township. They thought they could get away with the same BS as Liberty, but alas, their levy failed as well. I'm not sure who these trustees think they are. They are not the end all be all of the townships...the voters are. The quicker they learn that, the better. I hope all of the trustees are still feeling the sting of defeat as they sweat it out hoping that the emergency levies pass. I hope they aren't getting a wink of sleep over it. They are to blame and we all know it. Hopefully, they know it too.

Citizens revolt! Remember that Sybert and Carducci are to blame for all of this. They are on the ballot next year, should they choose to run again. Take back your townships and elect people who will work in the best interest of the community, not people playing dirty tricks with our tax dollars.

But first, make sure to vote YES on the February levy. God help us all if it fails.
Even Better wrote:
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Zip, Zero, Notta - that's how much a Liberty Township citizen will pay in property taxes to Liberty Township for fire and EMS protection this year. Do not ask of others that which you are not willing to do yourself!

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