Lockport plans to bring life to fire-damaged sites

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The city is negotiating with the owners of two downtown properties after fires struck those buildings in recent years.

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Lombard, IL

#1 Jan 22, 2011
maybe by the year 2036?
Hardliner

Homer Glen, IL

#2 Jan 23, 2011
The Dreams building has been a burnt out blight in our downtown for almost three years. How inept is the leadership of Lockport to have allowed this? Now they are basically begging the owner with our money to do what should have been done three years ago? I have a better idea condemn the building and tear it down. Case closed. The time for playing nice eneded two years ago.
Lockport Opinion

Bolingbrook, IL

#3 Jan 24, 2011
Hardliner wrote:
The Dreams building has been a burnt out blight in our downtown for almost three years. How inept is the leadership of Lockport to have allowed this? Now they are basically begging the owner with our money to do what should have been done three years ago? I have a better idea condemn the building and tear it down. Case closed. The time for playing nice eneded two years ago.
You are absolutely correct. The owners of Dreams should not get one penny from the city unless they have every dime they received from the insurance company to rebuild. If they have spent any of that money, they should be ineligible for tax dollars.

What a great way for other local business to make some extra money. Torch your building, spend all the insurance money and let the city bail you out.
Alpha

Lombard, IL

#4 Jan 24, 2011
I'm all for tearing it down.
You Owe Me

Chicago, IL

#5 Jan 24, 2011
Hardliner wrote:
The Dreams building has been a burnt out blight in our downtown for almost three years. How inept is the leadership of Lockport to have allowed this? Now they are basically begging the owner with our money to do what should have been done three years ago? I have a better idea condemn the building and tear it down. Case closed. The time for playing nice eneded two years ago.
You goon. Any chance you can find to tear this city apart, you will. I am tired of hearing you complain about how terrible buildings look in the community, and then taking the oppurtunity to nail someone when they do.

Have you ever heard of the age old expression, "better late, than never?"

Condemn a building which housed many local highlights and accompolishments?!!! Can you name the most famous event that happened at this historic landmark? I would guess not.

After all of your ranting about this community not improving over the years, I would have to say your credibility is officially dead. Do you have anything else stupid to throw out there? Or are you done?

Loser. Go to hell.
You Owe Me

Chicago, IL

#6 Jan 24, 2011
Lockport Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>You are absolutely correct. The owners of Dreams should not get one penny from the city unless they have every dime they received from the insurance company to rebuild. If they have spent any of that money, they should be ineligible for tax dollars.
What a great way for other local business to make some extra money. Torch your building, spend all the insurance money and let the city bail you out.
You arrogant piece of trash.

I am tired of you coming in here, and complaining about how the city is not improving itself, time and time again.

You are a big talker, up until the time comes for you to give a little back to your town. I find this entirely amusing. You complain, you whine, and then when the buzzer sounds, you are the first ones running to the lockeroom. You take the punches, but you cannot take any heat back. You are a hypocrite, and a fool. You are a hypocrite, because you always complain about "city council members," or "board members," but then hypocrites like you come up short when the time comes around to actually answer the questions. I am so sick of this crap, with you, in particular.

You never can offer a solution. Just negativity and lies. For that, you can go straight to hell.
Lockport Taxpayer

Oak Park, IL

#7 Jan 24, 2011
Hardliner wrote:
The Dreams building has been a burnt out blight in our downtown for almost three years. How inept is the leadership of Lockport to have allowed this? Now they are basically begging the owner with our money to do what should have been done three years ago? I have a better idea condemn the building and tear it down. Case closed. The time for playing nice eneded two years ago.
I watch council meetings on cable. I remember a few months back that the owners of Dreams laid out what they wanted from the City. I recall that the council REJECTED the financial requests demanded by the owners of Dreams. This is of course AFTER the owners of Dreams REJECTED the help offered by the City.

I certainly would have liked things to have moved much quicker than they have. However, the City is obligated to follow the law. The City just can't take over the building and tear it down. This isn't Judge Judy justice. Every "i" must be dotted and every "t" crossed before the City does anything.

Do you really want the City of Lockport to become owners of that property? That means you and I would have to pay for rennovation via our taxes. I'd much rather keep the rennovation cost in the hands of the current owners.
Wiiam

Lemont, IL

#8 Jan 24, 2011
Lockport Taxpayer wrote:
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I watch council meetings on cable. I remember a few months back that the owners of Dreams laid out what they wanted from the City. I recall that the council REJECTED the financial requests demanded by the owners of Dreams. This is of course AFTER the owners of Dreams REJECTED the help offered by the City.
I certainly would have liked things to have moved much quicker than they have. However, the City is obligated to follow the law. The City just can't take over the building and tear it down. This isn't Judge Judy justice. Every "i" must be dotted and every "t" crossed before the City does anything.
Do you really want the City of Lockport to become owners of that property? That means you and I would have to pay for rennovation via our taxes. I'd much rather keep the rennovation cost in the hands of the current owners.
I agree. We would have all liked to see things move faster but I'd hate to see a city that could just sweep in and take over private property when ever they see a problem.
From what I understand, the first eight months after the fire, the Dreams owner couldn't do anything because it was off limits due to the fact that someone died. Death investigations take forever. Then the building was only insured for half of what it would cost to rebuild to today's standards. Perhaps that was the Dreams owners fault for being under-insured, but I'm not sure he could have even got an insurance company to insure the building for modern rebuild costs. You can't just get as much insurance as you want on something.(If so, I'm going to insure my tool shed for $1,000,000 and then torch it).

It was a sucky situation. I'm just glad it's moving forward.
Just Say No

Lockport, IL

#9 Jan 24, 2011
You Owe Me wrote:
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You goon. Any chance you can find to tear this city apart, you will. I am tired of hearing you complain about how terrible buildings look in the community, and then taking the oppurtunity to nail someone when they do.
Have you ever heard of the age old expression, "better late, than never?"
Condemn a building which housed many local highlights and accompolishments?!!! Can you name the most famous event that happened at this historic landmark? I would guess not.
After all of your ranting about this community not improving over the years, I would have to say your credibility is officially dead. Do you have anything else stupid to throw out there? Or are you done?
Loser. Go to hell.
SPAM from ollie, Lockport Leroy, Why-So-Serious, the self-admitted pedophile and convicted sex offender. Spent 9 years in prison for molesting a 12 year old boy.
Just Say No

Lockport, IL

#10 Jan 24, 2011
You Owe Me wrote:
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You arrogant piece of trash.
I am tired of you coming in here, and complaining about how the city is not improving itself, time and time again.
You are a big talker, up until the time comes for you to give a little back to your town. I find this entirely amusing. You complain, you whine, and then when the buzzer sounds, you are the first ones running to the lockeroom. You take the punches, but you cannot take any heat back. You are a hypocrite, and a fool. You are a hypocrite, because you always complain about "city council members," or "board members," but then hypocrites like you come up short when the time comes around to actually answer the questions. I am so sick of this crap, with you, in particular.
You never can offer a solution. Just negativity and lies. For that, you can go straight to hell.
SPAM from ollie, Lockport Leroy, Why-So-Serious, the self-admitted pedophile and convicted sex offender. Spent 9 years in prison for molesting a 12 year old boy.
Lockport Opinion

Bolingbrook, IL

#11 Jan 24, 2011
You Owe Me wrote:
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You arrogant piece of trash.
I am tired of you coming in here, and complaining about how the city is not improving itself, time and time again.
You are a big talker, up until the time comes for you to give a little back to your town. I find this entirely amusing. You complain, you whine, and then when the buzzer sounds, you are the first ones running to the lockeroom. You take the punches, but you cannot take any heat back. You are a hypocrite, and a fool. You are a hypocrite, because you always complain about "city council members," or "board members," but then hypocrites like you come up short when the time comes around to actually answer the questions. I am so sick of this crap, with you, in particular.
You never can offer a solution. Just negativity and lies. For that, you can go straight to hell.
Wooo Hooo, Leroy made my day - he told me to go straight to hell. YIPPEE!

Moron!
Hardliner

Homer Glen, IL

#12 Jan 25, 2011
@ William & Lockport Taxpayer:

Let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe that the leadership of Tinley Park, New Lenox, Frankfort, Mokena, Lemont or even Homer Glen would allow an owner of a burned down building in the middle of their towns to dictate terms of rebuilding and remain idle for three years? Do you believe any of them would have sat back and allowed such a safety hazard and eye soar to remain in their cityscape? Let me help you with the answer, NO! Stop rationalizing the existence of this eye soar in the middle of our downtown, which has not brought in one single sales tax dollar for three years.

You can make all the excuses you want but the time for action has long since passed. The best our city can do three years later is to ply the owners with our tax dollars in the hopes they do what they should have done in the first place? Nobody is talking Nazi Germany here but if ever there was a case where local government should have stepped in and thrown their weight around it is here. At this point I say tear it down and be done with it.
Lockport Leroy

Chicago, IL

#13 Jan 25, 2011
@ Hardliar

Do you really think that ripping down a building with such historical value is the right path for the local government to take?

Can you proclaim you understand the costs associated with tearing this building down and the costs with rebuilding a new one?

Did you participate in the walk through of the building to see what was actually completed during the remodeling that took place in late 2009, and early 2010?

Last year, there was a public walk through, for all taxpayers to see the results of the recent remodeling. You obviously were not in attendance.

Have you ever looked at Joliet, a nearby city with several outdoor “eyesoars?” It has a booming downtown area, and many nice new restaurants. What decade are you living in?

In addition, I encourage you to actually speak with the owners of this building and look at the hardships he faced in getting the financing to finish the building.

And, one last thing, you can go straight to hell. I am so tired of people like you ripping this town a new one, and then when the time comes around for answers, you have nothing.

Quit giving yourself the old reach around, and get a life. 99% of what you say is total crap.

Don’t you feel like one stupid as$hole?
Just Say No

Plano, TX

#14 Jan 25, 2011
Lockport Leroy wrote:
@ Hardliar
Do you really think that ripping down a building with such historical value is the right path for the local government to take?
Can you proclaim you understand the costs associated with tearing this building down and the costs with rebuilding a new one?
Did you participate in the walk through of the building to see what was actually completed during the remodeling that took place in late 2009, and early 2010?
Last year, there was a public walk through, for all taxpayers to see the results of the recent remodeling. You obviously were not in attendance.
Have you ever looked at Joliet, a nearby city with several outdoor “eyesoars?” It has a booming downtown area, and many nice new restaurants. What decade are you living in?
In addition, I encourage you to actually speak with the owners of this building and look at the hardships he faced in getting the financing to finish the building.
And, one last thing, you can go straight to hell. I am so tired of people like you ripping this town a new one, and then when the time comes around for answers, you have nothing.
Quit giving yourself the old reach around, and get a life. 99% of what you say is total crap.
Don’t you feel like one stupid as$hole?
SPAM from ollie, Lockport Leroy, Why-So-Serious, the self-admitted pedophile and convicted sex offender. Spent 9 years in prison for molesting a 12 year old boy.
Lockport Taxpayer

Oak Park, IL

#15 Jan 25, 2011
Hardliner wrote:
@ William & Lockport Taxpayer:
Let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe that the leadership of Tinley Park, New Lenox, Frankfort, Mokena, Lemont or even Homer Glen would allow an owner of a burned down building in the middle of their towns to dictate terms of rebuilding and remain idle for three years? Do you believe any of them would have sat back and allowed such a safety hazard and eye soar to remain in their cityscape? Let me help you with the answer, NO! Stop rationalizing the existence of this eye soar in the middle of our downtown, which has not brought in one single sales tax dollar for three years.
You can make all the excuses you want but the time for action has long since passed. The best our city can do three years later is to ply the owners with our tax dollars in the hopes they do what they should have done in the first place? Nobody is talking Nazi Germany here but if ever there was a case where local government should have stepped in and thrown their weight around it is here. At this point I say tear it down and be done with it.
Other than following the rule of law, what exactly would you recommend the City of Lockport do? The City hasn't LET the property owner get away with anything. The City has given the property owner deadlines. Is it the City's fault that the property owner has missed every deadline? Is it the City's fault that the property owner was uninsured? Is it the City's fault that someone died in that fire? The answer to every one of those questions is NO.

Just imagine the lawsuit brought by the property owners if the City of Lockport had illegally demolished that building. Who would pay for the damages Hardliner? You and me that's who.

The current city council didn't give in to the demands of the Dreams owner. That's a good thing by the way. The City of Lockport has no business getting into a partnership with the owners of Dreams or any other business. The owners of Dreams ran out of money. The owers of Dreams can't get a loan without a partnership with the City. I don't want my tax dollars used in a partnership because it sets a BAD precident. Once that can of worms is opened every business will want a similar deal. As a taxpayer, I don't want to be a partner with any business owner. Just think State of Illinois and the pension mess that has bankrupted this State.

The only fault I have with the City of Lockport is that comdenation procedings didn't begin when the Dreams owner rejected the City's proposal. But, they haven't.
Sacred Cow

Chicago, IL

#16 Jan 25, 2011
I think if all these buildings can "mysteriously" catch fire they can also "mysteriously" collapse in the middle of the night. Wouldn't take much for a "strong gust of wind" to crumble that eyesore.....at no fault of the city.
Lockport Opinion

Bolingbrook, IL

#17 Jan 25, 2011
Lockport Taxpayer wrote:
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Other than following the rule of law, what exactly would you recommend the City of Lockport do? The City hasn't LET the property owner get away with anything. The City has given the property owner deadlines. Is it the City's fault that the property owner has missed every deadline? Is it the City's fault that the property owner was uninsured? Is it the City's fault that someone died in that fire? The answer to every one of those questions is NO.
Just imagine the lawsuit brought by the property owners if the City of Lockport had illegally demolished that building. Who would pay for the damages Hardliner? You and me that's who.
The current city council didn't give in to the demands of the Dreams owner. That's a good thing by the way. The City of Lockport has no business getting into a partnership with the owners of Dreams or any other business. The owners of Dreams ran out of money. The owers of Dreams can't get a loan without a partnership with the City. I don't want my tax dollars used in a partnership because it sets a BAD precident. Once that can of worms is opened every business will want a similar deal. As a taxpayer, I don't want to be a partner with any business owner. Just think State of Illinois and the pension mess that has bankrupted this State.
The only fault I have with the City of Lockport is that comdenation procedings didn't begin when the Dreams owner rejected the City's proposal. But, they haven't.
The real problem is that the city has a pretty poor track record when dealing with land owners. A perfect example is the apartment building at Madison and 9th. It sat vacant for 20 years and the city couldn't get the owner to do a darn thing about it. Will they show the same complacency with Dreams?

Also, should we reward the owner of Dreams with tax dollars for being too stupid to have insurance? If so, is there a repayment schedule? We should actually make money by lending it out. Can the owner turn around and sell the building for a profit after it is built? Will there be a guarantee that he keep insurance on the new building? Will there be a guarantee that he keep business insurance so patrons that are there can feel that there is some protection, in the event of an accident or problem? The owners do not have a lot of credibility at this point.
Lockport Taxpayer

Oak Park, IL

#19 Jan 25, 2011
Lockport Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>The real problem is that the city has a pretty poor track record when dealing with land owners. A perfect example is the apartment building at Madison and 9th. It sat vacant for 20 years and the city couldn't get the owner to do a darn thing about it. Will they show the same complacency with Dreams?
Also, should we reward the owner of Dreams with tax dollars for being too stupid to have insurance? If so, is there a repayment schedule? We should actually make money by lending it out. Can the owner turn around and sell the building for a profit after it is built? Will there be a guarantee that he keep insurance on the new building? Will there be a guarantee that he keep business insurance so patrons that are there can feel that there is some protection, in the event of an accident or problem? The owners do not have a lot of credibility at this point.
Finally someone who gets it.

The City of Lockport should not become partners with any business in town. With that partnership also comes liability. The City of Lockport is not a bank or other lending institution. Should the property owner default then it is the City of Lockport that becomes financially liable.

As a taxpayer, I don't want that liability.

I recall that the City offered very generous incentives (I don't remember exactly what they were) to the owners of Dreams. Those incentives were rejected. The reason that this property hasn't been redeveloped rests directly in the lap of the property owner.
William

Lemont, IL

#20 Jan 25, 2011
Lockport Taxpayer wrote:
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I recall that the City offered very generous incentives (I don't remember exactly what they were) to the owners of Dreams. Those incentives were rejected. The reason that this property hasn't been redeveloped rests directly in the lap of the property owner.
Actually Dreams wanted very generous offers and the City rejected it. They countered with something less and Dreams rejected it. What the deal is at the moment, I don't know. It is worth a call to the numbers I listed above.
Alpha

Roselle, IL

#21 Jan 26, 2011
The city gave them until Jan 31 to get windows in that eyesore - still not done. Dreams put everything on hold because the city wouldn't give them $$- it was a waiting game played by the owners. The city should site "safety" reasons and issue an order for demolition. What Lockport does not need is another bar with apartments above it. And don't give me the "historical" BS about the building, if it was so historical a bar & a SRO wouldn't have been in it. Put up a plaque as a marker - get rid of that eyesore. A parking lot would be better.

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