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Oct 3, 2007
 
Would you still believe what you believe? What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it? What if evolution is false? What if God doesn't exist? Would you still believe what you believe?

Some of you evolutionists out there (I am pointing toward Bob of Quantam-Faith) are all WTF?!? God doesn't exist!! I'm not asking you to prove anything right now. Just answer my questions, and tell me why that's your answer.

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Oct 3, 2007
 

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Since the theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of God, your questions are philosophical in nature. In which case, you are referring to theistic evolution. I believe evolution is the process by which God set life in the Universe in motion. That said, my belief system most likely differs from your own and has nothing to do with the actual biological mechanisms. Proof of the existence or non-existence of God would not change that for me.

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Oct 4, 2007
 

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iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe?
I currently do NOT believe in anything-- so, it makes no difference.

As long as there is NO PROOF.

I do allow for the possibility that god may exist.

I also allow that god may not.

I ALSO allow that more than one god may exist-- there is plenty of literature supporting THAT idea.

In fact, there is MORE "evidence" supporting multiple gods than there is supporting only one.

So, if pressed, I'd say it's likely that there are a multiplicity of gods, if there are ANY gods at all.
iVitamin wrote:
What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it?
See above.

I'll ask YOU the same thing: what if MULTIPLE gods exist, RIGHT NOW and YOU just don't know it, due to YOUR biases?

Consider THIS: what if you've chosen poorly? What if YOUR choice of god has a lousy after-life plan?

What if the choice of god or gods is what determines the after-life results?

If THIS IS the case-- I'd choose a more interesting afterlife. Say Egyptian or Norse. THEIR afterlife is ever-so-much more interesting that the heaven/hell one.

And a great deal more fair....
iVitamin wrote:
What if evolution is false?
If it, at a later date, is shown that evolution is false, then some superior _scientific_ theory will supplant it.

No big deal: I don't _believe_ in evolution.

I accept it as highly likely, with conditions. One of the CHIEF conditions is that, if sufficient evidence shows evolution to be flawed, it must be rejected.

By the SAME TOKEN, I feel the same way about god:

If EVER there is evidence to prove the existence of god (or gods), then I will cheerfully accept that.

(Unless the god turns out to be the fundamentalist's god-- in which case I'll cheerfully sign up with the opposition. The fundie's god is evil.)
iVitamin wrote:
What if God doesn't exist?
See above. The EXACT SAME reasoning applies.
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe?
I don't BELIEVE in ANYTHING-- not the way that YOU mean.
iVitamin wrote:
Some of you evolutionists out there (I am pointing toward Bob of Quantam-Faith) are all WTF?!? God doesn't exist!!
Nope NEVER, EVER said THAT.

I may have stated "god may not exist". I may have stated, in rare cases, "it is unlikely that god exists, given the lack of evidence".

But I'm not an atheist. I'm more of an agnostic:

I do not believe god exists.

I do not believe god DOES NOT exist.

I am UNDECIDED, and am awaiting more evidence. I may _never_ decide-- as evidence, OBJECTIVE evidence seems to be missing from this Universe.
iVitamin wrote:
I'm not asking you to prove anything right now. Just answer my questions, and tell me why that's your answer.
Why?

Because of logic and reason.

By divorcing one of one's feelings in the matter, and looking at things dispassionately, logically, is the ONLY way to proceed objectively.

And, I find I don't need a magical supernatural being, to have self-worth, to have a reason to live.

Being alive is more than sufficient, being able to look at the vastness of the cosmos, and feel wonder-- that is purpose enough for me.

Finding joy in the discovery of yet another minute facet of how life's inner workings operate-- that is purpose as well.

Helping other people to live their lives in a slightly better way than before they met me-- what more noble purpose than THAT-- I can't imagine.

Purpose in life, Why Are We Here-- these questions can be answered by the simple fact of being. By existing as a social, cooperative intelligent animal.

Why would anyone need more than that?(low self-esteem?)

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Oct 4, 2007
 
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe?
Until evidence is shown for me to believe otherwise than yes, I'll still believe what I believe.
iVitamin wrote:
What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it?
Then nothing would change.
iVitamin wrote:
What if evolution is false?
Then scientists will have to do a lot of explaining trying to figure out why everything fits so nicely into the theory.
iVitamin wrote:
What if God doesn't exist?
What do you mean if? The idea of gods is a manmade concept to help explain away what wasn't understood.
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe?
Well...yeah.

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Oct 4, 2007
 
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe? What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it? What if evolution is false? What if God doesn't exist? Would you still believe what you believe?
Some of you evolutionists out there (I am pointing toward Bob of Quantam-Faith) are all WTF?!? God doesn't exist!! I'm not asking you to prove anything right now. Just answer my questions, and tell me why that's your answer.
Why don't you go ahead and answer these yourself? You seem very keen on posting long lists of questions and very short on posting anything in the way of answers.

Answer each of these questions you've posted along with this one:

If there is proof that there was no Flood, does that mean God doesn't exist?
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Oct 4, 2007
 
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I currently do NOT believe in anything-- so, it makes no difference.
As long as there is NO PROOF.
I do allow for the possibility that god may exist.
I also allow that god may not.
I ALSO allow that more than one god may exist-- there is plenty of literature supporting THAT idea.
In fact, there is MORE "evidence" supporting multiple gods than there is supporting only one.
So, if pressed, I'd say it's likely that there are a multiplicity of gods, if there are ANY gods at all.
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See above.
I'll ask YOU the same thing: what if MULTIPLE gods exist, RIGHT NOW and YOU just don't know it, due to YOUR biases?
Consider THIS: what if you've chosen poorly? What if YOUR choice of god has a lousy after-life plan?
What if the choice of god or gods is what determines the after-life results?
If THIS IS the case-- I'd choose a more interesting afterlife. Say Egyptian or Norse. THEIR afterlife is ever-so-much more interesting that the heaven/hell one.
And a great deal more fair....
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If it, at a later date, is shown that evolution is false, then some superior _scientific_ theory will supplant it.
No big deal: I don't _believe_ in evolution.
I accept it as highly likely, with conditions. One of the CHIEF conditions is that, if sufficient evidence shows evolution to be flawed, it must be rejected.
By the SAME TOKEN, I feel the same way about god:
If EVER there is evidence to prove the existence of god (or gods), then I will cheerfully accept that.
(Unless the god turns out to be the fundamentalist's god-- in which case I'll cheerfully sign up with the opposition. The fundie's god is evil.)
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See above. The EXACT SAME reasoning applies.
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I don't BELIEVE in ANYTHING-- not the way that YOU mean.
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Nope NEVER, EVER said THAT.
I may have stated "god may not exist". I may have stated, in rare cases, "it is unlikely that god exists, given the lack of evidence".
But I'm not an atheist. I'm more of an agnostic:
I do not believe god exists.
I do not believe god DOES NOT exist.
I am UNDECIDED, and am awaiting more evidence. I may _never_ decide-- as evidence, OBJECTIVE evidence seems to be missing from this Universe.
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Why?
Because of logic and reason.
By divorcing one of one's feelings in the matter, and looking at things dispassionately, logically, is the ONLY way to proceed objectively.
And, I find I don't need a magical supernatural being, to have self-worth, to have a reason to live.
Being alive is more than sufficient, being able to look at the vastness of the cosmos, and feel wonder-- that is purpose enough for me.
Finding joy in the discovery of yet another minute facet of how life's inner workings operate-- that is purpose as well.
Helping other people to live their lives in a slightly better way than before they met me-- what more noble purpose than THAT-- I can't imagine.
Purpose in life, Why Are We Here-- these questions can be answered by the simple fact of being. By existing as a social, cooperative intelligent animal.
Why would anyone need more than that?(low self-esteem?)
I couldn't have put it better. I will say that the complete lack of any evidence for any god(s) leads me to feel it much more likely that there are no gods at all, but if there is one, why wouldn't/couldn't there be more than one?

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Oct 4, 2007
 
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe? What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it? What if evolution is false? What if God doesn't exist? Would you still believe what you believe?
Some of you evolutionists out there (I am pointing toward Bob of Quantam-Faith) are all WTF?!? God doesn't exist!! I'm not asking you to prove anything right now. Just answer my questions, and tell me why that's your answer.
Without evidence to the contrary, how and why would I believe something different than what I believe now??

If a god exists and I don't know it, then how am I supposed to believe in it/him/her? Thus far there is no evidential basis on which to believe, and there certainly is no more evidence or rationale to believe in the Christian God vs. any other god that has ever been discussed.

If evolution is false, then it's false. If we find evidence that it is false, it will be declared false. That's how science works. Thus far every year brings additional evidence supporting evolution.

If there in no god in existence, it doesn't change any of my current beliefs, as I've never seen evidence to believe in on anyway, and most certainly not in a personal god that is involved directly in the doings of mankind.
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Oct 4, 2007
 
Nuggin wrote:
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Why don't you go ahead and answer these yourself? You seem very keen on posting long lists of questions and very short on posting anything in the way of answers.
Answer each of these questions you've posted along with this one:
If there is proof that there was no Flood, does that mean God doesn't exist?
Don't you mean "SINCE there is proof that there was no Flood, does that mean God doesn't exist?" ;-)

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Oct 4, 2007
 
BloodyViking wrote:
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Don't you mean "SINCE there is proof that there was no Flood, does that mean God doesn't exist?" ;-)
Shhh, you are tipping our hand and showing our cards.
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Oct 4, 2007
 
iVitamin

What if god exists and He is Allah, and He is pissed at you for being an infidel bound for hell? Hadn't you better cover your bases? Why guess, right?

Google "Pascal's Wager."

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Oct 4, 2007
 
As soon as I see objective, unambiguous evidence that a prayer has ever been answered, a miracle has ever occurred or a supernatural being has ever communicated with a human, I'll be Praisin' the Lord and making out a check to the Jimmy Swaggart Defense Fund.

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Oct 4, 2007
 
MADRONE wrote:
As soon as I see objective, unambiguous evidence that a prayer has ever been answered, a miracle has ever occurred or a supernatural being has ever communicated with a human, I'll be Praisin' the Lord and making out a check to the Jimmy Swaggart Defense Fund.
Me, if there is ever any such proof, I'll simply take a certain amount of cash out, each week.

Then, I'll go outside somewhere, and toss it all up in the air-- what god wants, he can keep. What falls back to earth, I'll keep....

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Oct 5, 2007
 
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Me, if there is ever any such proof, I'll simply take a certain amount of cash out, each week.
Then, I'll go outside somewhere, and toss it all up in the air-- what god wants, he can keep. What falls back to earth, I'll keep....
And I'll be right there to snatch bills mid-air! I'm gonna be riiiiich!!

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Oct 5, 2007
 
llDayo wrote:
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And I'll be right there to snatch bills mid-air! I'm gonna be riiiiich!!
Ahhh, but that's the point of being outside-- one can see around, and be certain no one is nearby.

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Oct 5, 2007
 
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Ahhh, but that's the point of being outside-- one can see around, and be certain no one is nearby.
lol, but you'll NEVER know that for certain!!

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Oct 5, 2007
 
Gillette wrote:
iVitamin
What if god exists and He is Allah, and He is pissed at you for being an infidel bound for hell? Hadn't you better cover your bases? Why guess, right?
Google "Pascal's Wager."
Uh oh, now I'm embarrassed, I was about to comment on the wrong god.(red faced)
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Oct 11, 2007
 
If God is truly exist, one has to act or has the courage/willingness to learn how to act in front of Him other wise punishment awaiting him.
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Oct 11, 2007
 
iVitamin wrote:
Would you still believe what you believe? What if God does exist right now and you just don't know it? What if evolution is false? What if God doesn't exist? Would you still believe what you believe?
Some of you evolutionists out there (I am pointing toward Bob of Quantam-Faith) are all WTF?!? God doesn't exist!! I'm not asking you to prove anything right now. Just answer my questions, and tell me why that's your answer.
It's not and "if" He does. It's a simple step in faith to Christ Jesus to know so.

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Oct 12, 2007
 
American wrote:
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It's not and "if" He does. It's a simple step in faith to Christ Jesus to know so.
Faith - belief without evidence. Yes, that's a logical, simple step.

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Oct 12, 2007
 
American wrote:
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It's not and "if" He does. It's a simple step in faith to Christ Jesus to know so.
Exactly, just like it's a simple step in faith in Thor to know that he also exists.

And, btw, my God can beat up on your God.

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