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Wayne wrote: <quoted text>
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Matt. Give me ONE scripture proving evolution. The bible says God CREATED all. Are you calling Him a liar too, like Matt?? You can't have it both ways Nettie gal. If He didn't create us then the whole bible is useless. Might as well be a monkey's uncle. Or in your case, aunt. And that "Don't Judge" mantra is getting old. I'm not judging anything. I'm just telling you how it is. But I can DISCERN you and Matt are weak in the bible. You both hold science above God. Do not call me 'gal'. What is getting old is your constant judgment of others, as well as trying to tell others what to believe and how to believe it. No, you provide proof of Creation as well as proof that evolution is false. I have no problem accepting both. By the way, evolution is backed up by facts. NO ONE can prove Creation.
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doughboy wrote: This is not the science forum,this is a christian forum on the issue of evolution versus ID in the classroom. This is the Evolution Debate Forum. The word "Christian" does not appear as part of the Forum's name. *** doughboy wrote: The theory of evolution is being taught as fact in the classroom, when it is not fact. No, the scientific fact of evolution is being taught as scientific fact in the classroom, and the scientific theory of evolution, which explains the scientific fact of evolution, is being taught as scientific theory in the classroom. *** doughboy wrote: Students should be given more than one theory so they can decide on their own. If there is only one scientific theory that is currently accepted by the mainstream scientific community, then what is there for K-12 students to decide between?(ID doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. It has no evidence, and makes no predictions.)
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Wayne wrote: He did NOT evolve you from no monkey ancestor. Double negative meaning "Christ DID evolve you from a monkey ancestor". See, Wayne is coming around. Wayne wrote: You either believe all of (the bible) or NONE of it. So, Wayne, you believe in the cure for leprosy outlined in the Bible? You believe that pi=3? You believe that you should stone someone to death for working on the sabbath?(Which by the way includes typing on the computer you are currently using to respond to these posts). You believe in killing every single person in a town if one person their worships another God? Charleston has to have at least ONE Hindu/Shinto/Buddhist. Better get killing. Of course, if you DON'T go murder every man woman and child in Charleston, then we KNOW that you don't believe in ANY of the Bible, by your own standards.
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Wayne wrote: When He created us, He didn't EVOLVE us. And you know this because of what scientific evidence?
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Nuggin wrote: <quoted text>
Here's this posters argument broken down:
"I believe that creationism is true, therefore everything is positive evidence for Creationism regardless of logic, testing, reason, etc."
That's it.
"The evidence is all around"....
Great, then it should be VERY easy for you to offer up one TESTABLE, OBJECTIVE piece of evidence that proves Creationism.
As for this whole, "Please prove that God doesn't exist" crap. Once again, for what's got to be the 9 billionth time, "God", being a whole imaginary creature, exists outside the realm of scientific observation. It is not possible to prove his existence or non-existence because no rules apply.
THAT is precisely why Creationism is NOT science and has no place in the science class room.
Creationism could be 100% true, it would still belong in philosophy not science.
Just like EXISTENTIALISM doesn't below in science. I have an easy test for you on creationism-look in the mirror. You're going to get the empirical proof you seek one day by the way. There are rules on the existence of God. They apply AFTER you have left this life on earth. Thats why faith applies to believing in God. Why is is so hard to think that life had a designer? The complexity that exists in life from the smallest particle to the whole universe is not an accident. If you needed a new car would you blow up a pile of car parts to make it??
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doughboy wrote: <quoted text>I'm not accepting any of it, but evolution may exist. The theory of evolution itself is not that important to me, but the fact it is being used to replace God is what makes it an issue to me. There is no empirical data to show from either side to prove anything from a scientific point of view. Take this statement and replace "evolution" with "penecilin" or "electricity" or "solar orbits" or "germs" or "literacy" and you've got the EXACT same arguments Doughboy's side of the table has been spouting for 2000 years. They have lost every single one of those fights, just like they've lost on evolution. They are just biding their time until the next big thing comes along (cryogenics?) and they can plug in that word and restate the same tired argument again. God used to be the ONLY cause of rainbows. The ONLY cause of thunder. The ONLY cause of illness. The ONLY cause of earthquakes. The ONLY cause of wind. Now God isn't claimed to be responsible for ANY of those things. Just like God used to be the ONLY cause of the life we see around us. Beginning to see a pattern? No, of course not. Pattern recognition is a skill picked up in school.
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Drew Smith wrote: <quoted text>
This is the Evolution Debate Forum. The word "Christian" does not appear as part of the Forum's name.
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No, the scientific fact of evolution is being taught as scientific fact in the classroom, and the scientific theory of evolution, which explains the scientific fact of evolution, is being taught as scientific theory in the classroom.
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If there is only one scientific theory that is currently accepted by the mainstream scientific community, then what is there for K-12 students to decide between?(ID doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. It has no evidence, and makes no predictions.) If evolution is a fact, then why is it still called a theory? Were you there to witness it? I am posting on the christian forum, it must show up on the evolution form also. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian
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Wayne wrote: we STILL didn't evolve from no apes cousin. Double negative again. "We still DID evolve from an ape cousin". Wayne is apparently as bad at English as he is at everything else. Or, as Wayne would say, "I ain't not bad at no good English talking."
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Wayne wrote: <quoted text>
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Matt. Give me ONE scripture proving evolution. The bible says God CREATED all. Give me one scripture proving airplanes. Give me one scripture proving atomic energy. Give me one scripture proving antibodics. Give me one scripture proving the Civil War. Give me one scripture proving manned space flight. Give me one scripture proving micro-processing. Apparently NONE of these things exist either.
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doughboy wrote: <quoted text>If evolution is a fact, then why is it still called a theory? The Theory of Evolution explains the concrete facts of fossils, DNA, observable adaptation, etc. You have been brainwashed by Creationists (big surprise) to believe that Evolution is being taught as a FACT in Science classes. It is being taught as a Scientific Theory.
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Nuggin wrote: <quoted text>
Give me one scripture proving airplanes.
Give me one scripture proving atomic energy.
Give me one scripture proving antibodics.
Give me one scripture proving the Civil War.
Give me one scripture proving manned space flight.
Give me one scripture proving micro-processing.
Apparently NONE of these things exist either. I would just like one scripture proving that other planets exist.
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“I'm not retarded, I'm special!”
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Wayne wrote: <quoted text>
Your trouble here is when you say "your OWN Christian viewpoint." It is not YOUR or anyones viewpoint, it is accepting what Christ did on the cross for mankind. If you would get off your lazy hindquarters and search the scripture, you would see that you did NOT evolve form no monkeys cousin somewhere on the Serengeti! You accuse me of being too dogmatic in what I say about scripture. Then use scripture to prove evolution. I can use TONS of scripture to prove creation. Let's see what YOU got. Yes, it IS my own Christian viewpoint. EVERYONE has their own personal take on their faith. You do too - your take is a strict fundamentalist and literal interpretation viewpoint. YOUR viewpoint is not the ONLY viewpoint. And it's not the only correct one - deal with it. Acceptance of Christ as your Savior for what he did for us is the only prerequisite to Christianity, and you can't change that truth, no matter how you cry and whine and condemn and criticize others for not being the EXACT SAME CHRISTIAN you are. You are an unbelievable buffoon, and you and your fundie ilk are what turn so many people off of even considering Christianity. People like you do more to hurt Christianity than any atheist could. You have a lot to learn about tolerance, respect for others' beliefs and not being a flaming hypocrite. You can quote every verse in the Bible and it doesn't make you more of a Christian than anyone else. I've REPEATEDLY told you the Bible doesn't mention evolution. That's your game Wayne... People tell you things that refute your bullshit. Then later you bring it up all over again like it's the first time. It's boring, Wayne, very boring.
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Nuggin wrote: <quoted text>
Give me one scripture proving airplanes.
Give me one scripture proving atomic energy.
Give me one scripture proving antibodics.
Give me one scripture proving the Civil War.
Give me one scripture proving manned space flight.
Give me one scripture proving micro-processing.
Apparently NONE of these things exist either. Would any of the above been possible without God creating man and all the elements?
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doughboy wrote: <quoted text>This is not the science forum,this is a christian forum on the issue of evolution versus ID in the classroom. No, this is the evolution forum and the issue is "Expelled explodes into top 10 box office". It's at the top of EVERY page of this thread. See, Doughboy, what you "Christians" have never learned is that we aren't your sheep, we won't let you lie and get away with it. The fact that you continue to make false claims in the FACE of evidence to the opposite makes me SERIOUSLY doubt that you are familiar with the 10 commandments, let alone the rest of the Bible. doughboy wrote: The theory of evolution is being taught as fact in the classroom, when it is not fact. Where is the outrage for that? Well, seeing as it IS a fact, there's no outrage. Gene frequencies change over time. FACT. There are literally thousands of great examples. Skin color, lactose tolerance, malaria immunity, blonde hair, blue eyes... all just from HUMAN examples. If you have evidence that gene frequencies never change (in other words, you are an exact genetic clone of your mother who is an exact genetic clone of her mother, etc) then present that evidence. doughboy wrote: Students should be given more than one theory so they can decide on their own. So, your complaint is that it's not fair that ONLY the theory with the evidence be taught. Why restrict this to evolution? Why aren't you pushing for the teaching of alternative theories for gravity, germs, atomic energy, etc.? doughboy wrote: ID can be taught with out any mention of God by the way. HAHA, not if you are trying to keep a straight face. Explain to me 3 ways that the "designer" differs from "God". doughboy wrote: The way I see it you need a ton of faith to believe in evolution. Fortunately, it's not up to you. You don't have a solid concept of evolution, science or faith. So, asking you to determine values for those three subjects is a lot like asking my dog which cell phone plan I should buy. "Faith" is what you use when there is NO evidence. Science requires exactly ONE article of faith and that is this: "Reality is real". That's it.
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“I'm not retarded, I'm special!”
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Wayne wrote: <quoted text>
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Matt. Give me ONE scripture proving evolution. The bible says God CREATED all. Are you calling Him a liar too, like Matt?? You can't have it both ways Nettie gal. If He didn't create us then the whole bible is useless. Might as well be a monkey's uncle. Or in your case, aunt. And that "Don't Judge" mantra is getting old. I'm not judging anything. I'm just telling you how it is. But I can DISCERN you and Matt are weak in the bible. You both hold science above God. You're way out of line, Wayne, saying I am calling God a liar. Your arrogance is astounding. I never called God a liar. There you go again, presuming you know what is in other people's hearts. You're a crass jackass. Neither Nettie nor I hold science above God... that's just your way of attempting to smear us, or anyone who does not toe the fundamentalist line. If anyone here is evil, it's you, for things like I have just pointed out. Fundies are the worst examples of Christianity. You people are truly the "Christian Taliban".
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Wayne wrote: <quoted text>
Nuggy, you are a flat out, arrogant ass. You can't prove the "science" of evolution so you have nothing but lies to use. Wayne, I asked you what you would like as evidence for evolution. You came back and demanded that I give you evidence for Creationism. Since evidence FOR Creationism would be evidence against evolution, your request indicates that your thinking is at best muddled, and at worst retarded. As such, you judging whether or not we've proven evolution is more than a bit laughable. Frankly, given your criteria. The fact that you claim we haven't proven evolution is pretty much proof in and of itself that we have.
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doughboy wrote: <quoted text>If evolution is a fact, then why is it still called a theory? Were you there to witness it? I am posting on the christian forum, it must show up on the evolution form also. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian doughboy, quit trying to bring up this "theory" strawman... it's ludicrous. Look it up for crying out loud. And I suspect you know the answer anyway - it's just one of those things you guys love to bring up because you have little else to bring to the table. You guys desperately need new material - stuff that hasn't been debunked a million times before. Your lame creo debating points, pulled from the same lame creo websites, are no more clever or valid the thousandth time than they were the first time.
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doughboy wrote: I have an easy test for you on creationism-look in the mirror. Nope, it's not there. *** doughboy wrote: Why is is so hard to think that life had a designer? Complete lack of evidence to favor it. *** doughboy wrote: The complexity that exists in life from the smallest particle to the whole universe is not an accident. Because...? *** doughboy wrote: If you needed a new car would you blow up a pile of car parts to make it?? Nope, but evolution doesn't claim that living things are the result of a "blowing up" of bodily organs and systems, either. So your analogy fails.
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doughboy wrote: <quoted text>I have an easy test for you on creationism-look in the mirror. You're going to get the empirical proof you seek one day by the way. There are rules on the existence of God. They apply AFTER you have left this life on earth. Name one way that this claim is MORE real than the exact same claim made by a follower of the Aztec religion? doughboy wrote: Thats why faith applies to believing in God. Why is is so hard to think that life had a designer? It isn't hard. In fact it's very easy. And more importantly, extremely lazy. It's very easy to think that a good person will win the lottery because they want to. It's much more difficult to calculate the odds of winning. Which do you think is more accurate? The desire to win or the math? I'll give you a hint: Casinos make money. doughboy wrote: The complexity that exists in life from the smallest particle to the whole universe is not an accident. Give me objective evidence that this is the case. Outline an experiment which could prove/disprove this claim. doughboy wrote: If you needed a new car would you blow up a pile of car parts to make it?? No. But, then that is a complete non sequitor. Care to come up with an analogy that has something to do with living systems?
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doughboy wrote: If evolution is a fact, then why is it still called a theory? Because the same word "evolution" is used in two different ways:(1) to refer to the fact of evolution, and (2) to refer to the theory of evolution, which is intended to explain the fact of evolution. *** doughboy wrote: Were you there to witness it? I can witness the fossil record and the DNA evidence that *results* from it.
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