Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

Feb 5, 2013 Full story: Verde Independent 1,644

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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#1422 Jun 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Life isn't an experiment; you need to control variables to create an experiment.
They fear catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Your word, look up the meaning of catastrophic

Nope people are cautious of catastrophic global warming because they do know the science and are fully aware of the meaning of the word catastrophic.

Unlike you who appears to be in it for the kudos of being known as an ignorant fool.

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#1423 Jun 24, 2013
Good point Chris!

I should have written: "They fear man made catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Kyle

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#1424 Jun 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Life isn't an experiment; you need to control variables to create an experiment.
They fear catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
ONE MORE TIME FOR THE HARD OF THINKING - IF NATURAL EXPERIMENTS/OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE ARE INVALID, DO YOU ACCEPT GEOLOGY, PALEONTOLOGY, EVOLUTION, ETC.?
ANSWER, YOU SNIVELING SH-T.

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#1425 Jun 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Good point Chris!
I should have written: "They fear man made catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Unfortunately we are not mind readers, so what you decide you should have written after the event is meaningless, rather like what you wrote in the first place.

However I will repeat,

ďpeople are cautious of catastrophic global warming because they do know the science and are fully aware of the meaning of the word catastrophic.

Unlike you who appears to be in it for the kudos of being known as an ignorant fool.Ē

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#1426 Jun 25, 2013
There's never been an observation of climate change mitigation that shows it does even the smallest bit of good. Don't blame science because you want to believe pipe dreams.

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#1427 Jun 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's never been an observation of climate change mitigation that shows it does even the smallest bit of good. Don't blame science because you want to believe pipe dreams.
Round and round you go, where you stopÖ who caresÖ
THE LONE WORKER

Ashburn, VA

#1428 Jun 25, 2013
If the increase in the average temperature of the earth's atmosphere is related to jet engines or rockets burning through it, then we have no real answers from anyone, because the powers that be need their airplanes and earth orbiting junk.

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#1429 Jun 25, 2013
You don't like satellite communications and tourist travel?

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#1432 Jun 25, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to come up with a glider sailplane type of aircraft that switches off its engine once it is in the air, because it would be a much slower form of flying than what we have now with jet engines..
How about a wind powered vehicle that can go directly downwind faster than the wind that is blowing it?

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#1434 Jun 26, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
Just because everyone likes something, this doesn't mean it isn't killing us.
Why do you think satellite communications and tourist travel are killing us? Have you consulted a professional about this?

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#1435 Jun 26, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to come up with a glider sailplane type of aircraft that switches off its engine once it is in the air, because it would be a much slower form of flying than what we have now with jet engines..
Drag is one of the most significant forces when it comes to moving.

"With a doubling of speed the drag (force) quadruples per the formula. Exerting four times the force over a fixed distance produces four times as much work. At twice the speed the work (resulting in displacement over a fixed distance) is done twice as fast. Since power is the rate of doing work, four times the work done in half the time requires eight times the power. It's important to value the rolling resistance in relation to the drag force."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_ (physics)#Power

If you want to stop energy loss from drag, go slow. Emitting CO2 is fun and so is going very fast!

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#1436 Jun 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think satellite communications and tourist travel are killing us? Have you consulted a professional about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aeromed/medical/to...
PAINTER

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#1438 Oct 1, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope facts, look up the definition of the word.
Then consider the quarter of a million academic and scientific links that I googled to shown brian_G to be a liar and what has he offered in return? Nothing except outright denial that those links exists
Or how about the links to NASA, various climate sties, various weather sites, various natural resource sites and various sciientific bodies, including governmental sites.
So no, not opinions but you are welcome to yours if they make to feel all warm and cosy inside.
What will happen to the oceans water level if all of the ice melts at the ice caps?

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#1439 Oct 1, 2013
PAINTER wrote:
<quoted text>What will happen to the oceans water level if all of the ice melts at the ice caps?
PAINTER wrote:
<quoted text>What will happen to the oceans water level if all of the ice melts at the ice caps?
They will get deeper by 70 to 80 metres, the saline content of the ocean will decrease and hence the ocean current will change, sea life will be affected. Useable landmass will be considerably reduced particularly in Europe and Asia, coastal cities will become uninhabitable

http://westocean.hubpages.com/hub/Flood-Maps

However there needs to be a lot of climate change for such a scenario to occur. Enough to raise the average temperature by more than 30degC. Donít worry, it wonít happen in your lifetime.

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#1440 Oct 1, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
Maybe fuel cells which convert water into hydrogen could be used in some way to create cleaner electric. Whatever it is, we don't see it coming soon.
Those are energy storage cells; the fuel to make that hydrogen often comes from fossil fuel.

What's not to love about global warming?

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#1441 Oct 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Those are energy storage cells; the fuel to make that hydrogen often comes from fossil fuel.
What's not to love about global warming?
Wrong, hydrogen fuel cells use water. I realise you are quite thick but there is no way that even you could misrepresent water as a fossil fuel

Methinks you are dreaming about the old fashioned AA battery here.

The fact that it kills people is not to love, but hey, up to now itís not really effected you so what need is there for you to give a fook?

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#1442 Oct 1, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, hydrogen fuel cells use water. I realise you are quite thick but there is no way that even you could misrepresent water as a fossil fuel
Methinks you are dreaming about the old fashioned AA battery here.
The fact that it kills people is not to love, but hey, up to now itís not really effected you so what need is there for you to give a fook?
Actually Brian is correct this time.

His point was that the ultimate source of most hydrogen is from fossil fuels. Even so there are many positive reasons to develop fuel cell technology. First is has a potential of being much more efficient than an internal combustion engine. Even with the loss of energy from the carbon portion of fossil fuel not being used in the car it may still have a higher effective mpg than an ICE.

Second, the development of hydrogen as a fuel would allow power plants to run more efficiently. During slack times nuclear and wind power plants could generate hydrogen.

Third in the case of generating hydrogen from fossil fuels sequestration of the CO2 produced is possible where that is all but impossible for ICE's.

The future of the automobile is either fuel cell or battery. ICE's are easy low tech 20th century technology, it is time to move on up.

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#1443 Oct 1, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Actually Brian is correct this time.
His point was that the ultimate source of most hydrogen is from fossil fuels. Even so there are many positive reasons to develop fuel cell technology. First is has a potential of being much more efficient than an internal combustion engine. Even with the loss of energy from the carbon portion of fossil fuel not being used in the car it may still have a higher effective mpg than an ICE.
Second, the development of hydrogen as a fuel would allow power plants to run more efficiently. During slack times nuclear and wind power plants could generate hydrogen.
Third in the case of generating hydrogen from fossil fuels sequestration of the CO2 produced is possible where that is all but impossible for ICE's.
The future of the automobile is either fuel cell or battery. ICE's are easy low tech 20th century technology, it is time to move on up.
Brian responded to post # 1437 that stated

"Maybe fuel cells which convert water into hydrogen could be used in some way to create cleaner electric. Whatever it is, we don't see it coming soon."

I was responding to that response in that water is not a fossil fuel
PAINTER

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#1444 Oct 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
They will get deeper by 70 to 80 metres, the saline content of the ocean will decrease and hence the ocean current will change, sea life will be affected. Useable landmass will be considerably reduced particularly in Europe and Asia, coastal cities will become uninhabitable
http://westocean.hubpages.com/hub/Flood-Maps
However there needs to be a lot of climate change for such a scenario to occur. Enough to raise the average temperature by more than 30degC. Donít worry, it wonít happen in your lifetime.
Thanks. How long will it take for the ice to melt?
PAINTER

Williamson, WV

#1445 Oct 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Brian responded to post # 1437 that stated
"Maybe fuel cells which convert water into hydrogen could be used in some way to create cleaner electric. Whatever it is, we don't see it coming soon."
I was responding to that response in that water is not a fossil fuel
I get what you are saying because water is involved going in the cell as oxygen passes over one electrode and hydrogen over the other and the hydrogen gas is converted into charged electrons and tghen combined with oxygen again to produce water.

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