Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1414 Jun 19, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
So you like one, how about the others?
As far as I could tell, none of them were experiments. They were the worst, shortest and vaguest abstracts I've ever seen.

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ChristineM wrote:
However, more to the point, each and every link I offered proved you to be a lair whether you liked it or not.
I don't know how I feel about being called a lair by Chris. I'll have to think about it. That's the strangest ad hominem argument I've read recently.

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ChristineM wrote:
P.S. there is nothing alarmist in being aware of the facts, however there is something sadly lacking in the mind of someone who ignores the facts.
Climate changes; that's the fact. We've never seen a test of climate change mitigation, no species evolved the ability to mitigate climate change to help their offspring. Don't blame me; I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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ChristineM wrote:
I can just imaging your reaction should your daughter come home in tears one night,“daddy, oh daddy, what am I to do, I was gang raped” Would you reply “I like that, face the inevitable”
And I could never imagine wishing something so hideous on Chris; this is where we differ. I'n case you find Chris's post confusing; I'm the one NOT advocating rape.
MIDutch

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#1415 Jun 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>An experiment testing climate change mitigation would look different from a non-experiment; like a theory, guess or assumption.
Ah, the basic "lying creationist" technique of equating scientific theory to guess or assumption.

In REAL science, theory is about as good as it gets with VAST amounts of logic, reason, observations, experiments, scientific research and empirical evidence in support.

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But you probably already knew that and chose to use the "lying creationist" technique anyways, didn't you?

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#1416 Jun 20, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
Ah, the basic "lying creationist" technique of equating scientific theory to guess or assumption.
An untested theory is only as good as a guess or assumption; I'm not equating theory, I'm discussing the lack of experimental tests for either man made global climate change or climate change mitigation.

I'm not a creationist and I've never advocated creationism. I think creationism is incorrect, judged by the age of the Earth and the fossil record.

I don't lie or accuse other posters of lying unless I have solid proof. It doesn't pay to pass on bad information, because others will stop reading what you write.

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MIDutch wrote:
In REAL science, theory is about as good as it gets with VAST amounts of logic, reason, observations, experiments, scientific research and empirical evidence in support.[...]
In science, some theories are better than others. Those that might recommend policy changes are judged on a different standard from purely observational theories.

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MIDutch wrote:
But you probably already knew that and chose to use the "lying creationist" technique anyways, didn't you?
I don't debate creationists either; I wouldn't know. I'll take MIDutch's word, because of demonstrated familiarity with both lies and creationists.

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#1417 Jun 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>As far as I could tell, none of them were experiments. They were the worst, shortest and vaguest abstracts I've ever seen.
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<quoted text>I don't know how I feel about being called a lair by Chris. I'll have to think about it. That's the strangest ad hominem argument I've read recently.
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<quoted text>Climate changes; that's the fact. We've never seen a test of climate change mitigation, no species evolved the ability to mitigate climate change to help their offspring. Don't blame me; I'm just pointing out the obvious.
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<quoted text>And I could never imagine wishing something so hideous on Chris; this is where we differ. I'n case you find Chris's post confusing; I'm the one NOT advocating rape.
Can’t tell much can you? But what can we expect from such deliberate ignorance?

What? You seethe thing is that published and verifiable posts exist that you are lying. You see such evidence as ad hom augment, that really is pathetic and shows that you have nothing but hiding your lies behind lies.

Yes climate change does happen, these changes over the last several million years have been investigated using scientific methods. Those very same scientific works that mean you can without doubt lay the claim that climate changes are also the very works that show and prove that climate has changed by a far greater degree in the last 150 years (and more profoundly in the last 50 years) than it has in the last several million. You go boy, way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Just because you can’t imagine it does not mean that rape does not happen. Rather like climate change I suppose, sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away. So we have another subject you don’t like so you ignore it

In case you find lying brians post confusing I am the one stating quite clearly “should” when posing a hypothetical question. So since when has a hypothetical question been advocating? Or is it perhaps a hypothetical question you are too sh|t scared to face up to because it will highlight your “inevitable” attitude?

So no, this is not where we differ, this just highlights the many differences between my reality and your deliberate ignorance.

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#1418 Jun 21, 2013
I've never claimed climate doesn't change, I claim the opposite; climate always changes. I've never seen an experiment where man made greenhouse gas changes global or local climate; that's no lie.

Climate adaptation has been experimentally tested many times; we know how to adapt to climate change. What's never been done is climate change mitigation. I suggest we wait for at least one experiment before adopting any climate mitigation policy.
Kyle

Columbia City, IN

#1419 Jun 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>An experiment would offer numerical data quantitatively different from the zero experiments on climate change mitigation we've seen so far. This experiment would be reproducible and published in a peer reviewed journal on semi-glossy paper.
Science uses experiments to test and refine hypotheses, this is called the scientific method. This man made greenhouse gas climate change theory has been around more than 100 years, don't you think it's time to experimentally test it? If not now, when?
Done. Our "test" have been decidedly non-zero. They have been in the anti-mitigation direction, which is totally valid.

Again, denier scum, do you dismiss evolution and plate tectonics? Neither of them is reproducible in the lab.

Or just ignore this question for the 5th or 6th time and CONCEDE yet again.
Kyle

Columbia City, IN

#1420 Jun 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've never seen an experiment where man made greenhouse gas changes global or local climate; that's no lie.
That NATURAL EXPERIMENT is ongoing, so YOU LIE.

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#1421 Jun 24, 2013
Life isn't an experiment; you need to control variables to create an experiment.

They fear catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.

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#1422 Jun 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Life isn't an experiment; you need to control variables to create an experiment.
They fear catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Your word, look up the meaning of catastrophic

Nope people are cautious of catastrophic global warming because they do know the science and are fully aware of the meaning of the word catastrophic.

Unlike you who appears to be in it for the kudos of being known as an ignorant fool.

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#1423 Jun 24, 2013
Good point Chris!

I should have written: "They fear man made catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Kyle

Columbia City, IN

#1424 Jun 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Life isn't an experiment; you need to control variables to create an experiment.
They fear catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
ONE MORE TIME FOR THE HARD OF THINKING - IF NATURAL EXPERIMENTS/OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE ARE INVALID, DO YOU ACCEPT GEOLOGY, PALEONTOLOGY, EVOLUTION, ETC.?
ANSWER, YOU SNIVELING SH-T.

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#1425 Jun 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Good point Chris!
I should have written: "They fear man made catastrophic global warming because they don't know science.
Unfortunately we are not mind readers, so what you decide you should have written after the event is meaningless, rather like what you wrote in the first place.

However I will repeat,

“people are cautious of catastrophic global warming because they do know the science and are fully aware of the meaning of the word catastrophic.

Unlike you who appears to be in it for the kudos of being known as an ignorant fool.”

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#1426 Jun 25, 2013
There's never been an observation of climate change mitigation that shows it does even the smallest bit of good. Don't blame science because you want to believe pipe dreams.

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#1427 Jun 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's never been an observation of climate change mitigation that shows it does even the smallest bit of good. Don't blame science because you want to believe pipe dreams.
Round and round you go, where you stop… who cares…
THE LONE WORKER

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#1428 Jun 25, 2013
If the increase in the average temperature of the earth's atmosphere is related to jet engines or rockets burning through it, then we have no real answers from anyone, because the powers that be need their airplanes and earth orbiting junk.

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#1429 Jun 25, 2013
You don't like satellite communications and tourist travel?

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#1432 Jun 25, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to come up with a glider sailplane type of aircraft that switches off its engine once it is in the air, because it would be a much slower form of flying than what we have now with jet engines..
How about a wind powered vehicle that can go directly downwind faster than the wind that is blowing it?

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#1434 Jun 26, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
Just because everyone likes something, this doesn't mean it isn't killing us.
Why do you think satellite communications and tourist travel are killing us? Have you consulted a professional about this?

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#1435 Jun 26, 2013
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
I don't see anyone trying to come up with a glider sailplane type of aircraft that switches off its engine once it is in the air, because it would be a much slower form of flying than what we have now with jet engines..
Drag is one of the most significant forces when it comes to moving.

"With a doubling of speed the drag (force) quadruples per the formula. Exerting four times the force over a fixed distance produces four times as much work. At twice the speed the work (resulting in displacement over a fixed distance) is done twice as fast. Since power is the rate of doing work, four times the work done in half the time requires eight times the power. It's important to value the rolling resistance in relation to the drag force."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_ (physics)#Power

If you want to stop energy loss from drag, go slow. Emitting CO2 is fun and so is going very fast!

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#1436 Jun 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think satellite communications and tourist travel are killing us? Have you consulted a professional about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aeromed/medical/to...

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