Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

Feb 5, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Verde Independent

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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Nope, stop lying, you are waiting for the impossible to verify the idiotic.
where is your conclusive evidence of what mitigation will do?

it's pretty idiotic to call co2 pollution.....at least on this planet.

where are you from, son? obviously not this world.
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[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]I'm waiting.....Still waiting...[/QUOTE]

......'lyin' brian' is still waiting for its education..... after it missed science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its hi skule DEE-plooomaa.

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<quoted text>lol....why would you say such a silly thing? What facts? Oh, your opinions!!
Nope facts, look up the definition of the word.

Then consider the quarter of a million academic and scientific links that I googled to shown brian_G to be a liar and what has he offered in return? Nothing except outright denial that those links exists

Or how about the links to NASA, various climate sties, various weather sites, various natural resource sites and various sciientific bodies, including governmental sites.

So no, not opinions but you are welcome to yours if they make to feel all warm and cosy inside.

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<quoted text>maybe the new ice age scientists of the 70's will cancel out the global warming scientists....and everything will remain net neutral !!! I doubt you have a good response to my post....not that I deserve one, of course!
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Ahhh is this your opinion?

That’s good enough and all it deserves of course

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<quoted text>where is your conclusive evidence of what mitigation will do?
it's pretty idiotic to call co2 pollution.....at least on this planet.
where are you from, son? obviously not this world.
See the hundreds of thousands of links I and several other people have provided to show brian-g and the other deniers that stawman BS is simply strawman BS. Feel free to educate yourself, it’s not my problem if you choose to remain ignorant or not, I don’t really care.

Idiotic? You are idiotic in not considering the percentage, our atmosphere is a fine balance of gasses. Too little CO2 and much life on earth will die, too much CO2 and much life on earth will die. I realise I am probably wasting my time and energy but please feel free to educate yourself at the links below.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2007/0707/full/...
http://www.bitsofscience.org/petm-climate-dis...

Son? Assuming you had any credibility you just lost it with that pathetic statement, grow up you childish moron who dreams of big bad aliens because he has no comprehension of reality. Your statement that was obviously designed to insult simply shows your stupidity but hey, all anyone expected from you was stupidity.

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There's no experimental what 'too much' CO2 is, looks like plants can tolerate plenty.

Don't panic.

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See the hundreds of thousands of links I and several other people have provided to show brian-g and the other deniers that stawman BS is simply strawman BS. Feel free to educate yourself, it’s not my problem if you choose to remain ignorant or not, I don’t really care.
Idiotic? You are idiotic in not considering the percentage, our atmosphere is a fine balance of gasses. Too little CO2 and much life on earth will die, too much CO2 and much life on earth will die. I realise I am probably wasting my time and energy but please feel free to educate yourself at the links below.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2007/0707/full/...
http://www.bitsofscience.org/petm-climate-dis...
Son? Assuming you had any credibility you just lost it with that pathetic statement, grow up you childish moron who dreams of big bad aliens because he has no comprehension of reality. Your statement that was obviously designed to insult simply shows your stupidity but hey, all anyone expected from you was stupidity.
lol....big bad aliens!! That's the way your crowd treats life giving co2. Talk about no comprehension of reality. Lol. No need to respond to the rest of your post as it was clearly intended to only insult, huh, son?
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You may use your pretend 'standards' for science. Me, I'm waiting for an experimental test published in a peer reviewed journal.
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Still waiting...
WTF WOULD THIS EXPERIMENT LOOK LIKE? AND DON'T YOU DARE PLAY THE "I'M NO SCIENTIST" CARD. THAT HASN'T STOPPED YOU FROM DISSING THE SCIENCE WITH EVERY POST, SO PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Then, when everyone tells you what a moronic demand you're making, ACKNOWLEDGE THE CRITICISM, YOU TROLL.

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<quoted text>lol....big bad aliens!! That's the way your crowd treats life giving co2. Talk about no comprehension of reality. Lol. No need to respond to the rest of your post as it was clearly intended to only insult, huh, son?
Oh sorry if your own post confused you?

Let me remind you?“where are you from, son? obviously not this world”

I.E alien

When you are capable of understanding what you write then please come back and try again

Nope, actually it was it was a post backed up with links and valid science and intended and succeeded in showing that you are a pathetic liar who has nothing but screwed opinion. There that was an insult.

Son? Back to your post your childish moron. That’s not an insult, that’s just the conclusion gained from reading your BS post

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There's no experimental what 'too much' CO2 is, looks like plants can tolerate plenty.
Don't panic.
More lies, as expected from on of you tiny mind

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2097022...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j....

http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004...

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WTF WOULD THIS EXPERIMENT LOOK LIKE? AND DON'T YOU DARE PLAY THE "I'M NO SCIENTIST" CARD. THAT HASN'T STOPPED YOU FROM DISSING THE SCIENCE WITH EVERY POST, SO PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Then, when everyone tells you what a moronic demand you're making, ACKNOWLEDGE THE CRITICISM, YOU TROLL.
An experiment testing climate change mitigation would look different from a non-experiment; like a theory, guess or assumption. An experiment would offer numerical data quantitatively different from the zero experiments on climate change mitigation we've seen so far. This experiment would be reproducible and published in a peer reviewed journal on semi-glossy paper.

Science uses experiments to test and refine hypotheses, this is called the scientific method. This man made greenhouse gas climate change theory has been around more than 100 years, don't you think it's time to experimentally test it? If not now, when?

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More lies, as expected from on of you tiny mind[URL deleted] http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/... [more URLs deleted]
I like the one Chris cited above, Facing the Inevitable. I wish alarmists had such common sense.

We adapt, adaption has been tested and it works. Climate change mitigation is pipe dreams.

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<quoted text>I like the one Chris cited above, Facing the Inevitable. I wish alarmists had such common sense.
We adapt, adaption has been tested and it works. Climate change mitigation is pipe dreams.
So you like one, how about the others?

However, more to the point, each and every link I offered proved you to be a lair whether you liked it or not.

P.S. there is nothing alarmist in being aware of the facts, however there is something sadly lacking in the mind of someone who ignores the facts.

I can just imaging your reaction should your daughter come home in tears one night,“daddy, oh daddy, what am I to do, I was gang raped”

Would you reply “I like that, face the inevitable”

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So you like one, how about the others?
As far as I could tell, none of them were experiments. They were the worst, shortest and vaguest abstracts I've ever seen.

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However, more to the point, each and every link I offered proved you to be a lair whether you liked it or not.
I don't know how I feel about being called a lair by Chris. I'll have to think about it. That's the strangest ad hominem argument I've read recently.

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P.S. there is nothing alarmist in being aware of the facts, however there is something sadly lacking in the mind of someone who ignores the facts.
Climate changes; that's the fact. We've never seen a test of climate change mitigation, no species evolved the ability to mitigate climate change to help their offspring. Don't blame me; I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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I can just imaging your reaction should your daughter come home in tears one night,“daddy, oh daddy, what am I to do, I was gang raped” Would you reply “I like that, face the inevitable”
And I could never imagine wishing something so hideous on Chris; this is where we differ. I'n case you find Chris's post confusing; I'm the one NOT advocating rape.
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<quoted text>An experiment testing climate change mitigation would look different from a non-experiment; like a theory, guess or assumption.
Ah, the basic "lying creationist" technique of equating scientific theory to guess or assumption.

In REAL science, theory is about as good as it gets with VAST amounts of logic, reason, observations, experiments, scientific research and empirical evidence in support.

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But you probably already knew that and chose to use the "lying creationist" technique anyways, didn't you?

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Ah, the basic "lying creationist" technique of equating scientific theory to guess or assumption.
An untested theory is only as good as a guess or assumption; I'm not equating theory, I'm discussing the lack of experimental tests for either man made global climate change or climate change mitigation.

I'm not a creationist and I've never advocated creationism. I think creationism is incorrect, judged by the age of the Earth and the fossil record.

I don't lie or accuse other posters of lying unless I have solid proof. It doesn't pay to pass on bad information, because others will stop reading what you write.

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In REAL science, theory is about as good as it gets with VAST amounts of logic, reason, observations, experiments, scientific research and empirical evidence in support.[...]
In science, some theories are better than others. Those that might recommend policy changes are judged on a different standard from purely observational theories.

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But you probably already knew that and chose to use the "lying creationist" technique anyways, didn't you?
I don't debate creationists either; I wouldn't know. I'll take MIDutch's word, because of demonstrated familiarity with both lies and creationists.

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<quoted text>As far as I could tell, none of them were experiments. They were the worst, shortest and vaguest abstracts I've ever seen.
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<quoted text>I don't know how I feel about being called a lair by Chris. I'll have to think about it. That's the strangest ad hominem argument I've read recently.
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<quoted text>Climate changes; that's the fact. We've never seen a test of climate change mitigation, no species evolved the ability to mitigate climate change to help their offspring. Don't blame me; I'm just pointing out the obvious.
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<quoted text>And I could never imagine wishing something so hideous on Chris; this is where we differ. I'n case you find Chris's post confusing; I'm the one NOT advocating rape.
Can’t tell much can you? But what can we expect from such deliberate ignorance?

What? You seethe thing is that published and verifiable posts exist that you are lying. You see such evidence as ad hom augment, that really is pathetic and shows that you have nothing but hiding your lies behind lies.

Yes climate change does happen, these changes over the last several million years have been investigated using scientific methods. Those very same scientific works that mean you can without doubt lay the claim that climate changes are also the very works that show and prove that climate has changed by a far greater degree in the last 150 years (and more profoundly in the last 50 years) than it has in the last several million. You go boy, way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Just because you can’t imagine it does not mean that rape does not happen. Rather like climate change I suppose, sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away. So we have another subject you don’t like so you ignore it

In case you find lying brians post confusing I am the one stating quite clearly “should” when posing a hypothetical question. So since when has a hypothetical question been advocating? Or is it perhaps a hypothetical question you are too sh|t scared to face up to because it will highlight your “inevitable” attitude?

So no, this is not where we differ, this just highlights the many differences between my reality and your deliberate ignorance.

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I've never claimed climate doesn't change, I claim the opposite; climate always changes. I've never seen an experiment where man made greenhouse gas changes global or local climate; that's no lie.

Climate adaptation has been experimentally tested many times; we know how to adapt to climate change. What's never been done is climate change mitigation. I suggest we wait for at least one experiment before adopting any climate mitigation policy.
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<quoted text>An experiment would offer numerical data quantitatively different from the zero experiments on climate change mitigation we've seen so far. This experiment would be reproducible and published in a peer reviewed journal on semi-glossy paper.
Science uses experiments to test and refine hypotheses, this is called the scientific method. This man made greenhouse gas climate change theory has been around more than 100 years, don't you think it's time to experimentally test it? If not now, when?
Done. Our "test" have been decidedly non-zero. They have been in the anti-mitigation direction, which is totally valid.

Again, denier scum, do you dismiss evolution and plate tectonics? Neither of them is reproducible in the lab.

Or just ignore this question for the 5th or 6th time and CONCEDE yet again.
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I've never seen an experiment where man made greenhouse gas changes global or local climate; that's no lie.
That NATURAL EXPERIMENT is ongoing, so YOU LIE.

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