Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

Feb 5, 2013 Full story: Verde Independent 1,644

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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#103 Feb 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
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When the temperature goes under freezing, I want a minus number to tell me.
I just look at the pond. If a duck walks on it, it's below freezing. if the duck floats... it's a WITCH!

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#104 Feb 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Gah! Of course you know this means war!
Ah, feck it. Sounds like too much effort. Let's just line up the beers instead and worry about it after we're unconscious.
Done.

Just so you are aware, I do my best worrying when I'm unconscious!
PHD

Overton, TX

#105 Feb 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Before Christmas, the non-kill pet shelter had almost 50 cats & kittens. Presently, they have single digit cats & single digit kittens. Good they found lots of homes for them.
In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.

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#106 Feb 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Before Christmas, the non-kill pet shelter had almost 50 cats & kittens. Presently, they have single digit cats & single digit kittens. Good they found lots of homes for them.
Good homes are much better than the alternative. I'm not really a 'cat person'... but I married one, so I guess I am by marriage... seeing as we have 2 cats at the moment... and have had 5 at one time before

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#107 Feb 11, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>I just look at the pond. If a duck walks on it, it's below freezing. if the duck floats... it's a WITCH!
BURN HER!!!
PHD

Overton, TX

#108 Feb 11, 2013
Bad idea.

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#109 Feb 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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BURN HER!!!
She turned me into a Newt!
PHD

Overton, TX

#110 Feb 11, 2013
Maybe it was the extreme cold that caused your issue.

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Valley Village, CA

#111 Feb 11, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.
Clearly your PhD is not in English.

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#112 Feb 12, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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Yes, CO2 is a well distributed gas at low elevations and low latitudes. Not because I want it to be, but because it is.
Yes, ice core data is collected over 700,000 years. Some of the data points are as much as 1000 years apart. My time of day reference is to the fact that the conditions of the area where the CO2 is measured will determine the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
If as in antarctica, CO2 is collected from an atmosphere that is winter, nighttime 50% of the time, high elevation and high latitude, that will make the collected values lower than CO2 collected from an area that is summer, daytime, low elevation and low latitude. Even though antarctica has been glaciated for about 34 million years now, the rest of the earth is still rather temperate.
Since the majority of the world does not share the physical attributes of antarctica, then the majority of the world does not share the same CO2 values.
You're correct that the antarctic values show the pattern of climate for the world over an extended time. However just looking at the arctic vs the antarctic data sets you can see a difference in the pattern of climate between the two hemispheres. Both go up and down in the same type of pattern with lag times between the two and with more radical swings in the arctic because of precession.
If the CO2 values of greenland mimic the relationship of temperatures to CO2 values found in the antarctic, then we could infer that the CO2 values of the arctic are, like the temps, more variable.
Read one of the studies. An understanding of the graphs you pick up is essential to your interpretation of what you see.
"I find it rather amusing that you can makes claims and then contradictory claims both to defend the same point." It only appears contradictory if you do not understand what you're looking at.
There is no such thing as a contradiction, if you perceive one, check your premises, one of them is wrong.
And if pigs could fly the price of bacon would rise.

Excuses are excuses and you seem pt have plenty of irrelevant excuses created to obfuscate rather than offer constructive suggestions

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#114 Feb 12, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Please get informed. The debate isn't about IF the climate is changing. The debate is if humans are the cause.
everythingimportant.org/climategate
Please read the thread you ignorant moron,

The debate is and I quote –“Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students”

That’s BOTH – B – O – T – H, do you understand the word, we know you have the internet so I suggest you look up the meaning.

Cherry picking makes you look such a blithering idiot but it’s all we can expect from you – right?

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2006 ...
“the consensus of the scientific community has shifted from scepticism to near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence of an artificial greenhouse effect.“

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#115 Feb 12, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>All the sourced documentation and videos presented at everythingimportant.org/climategate proves that you're a willful ignoramus.
Your link is to the “The Confessing Seventh-day Adventist” site, the page was created in 2007 and last updated in 2010 by godbots with an agenda and NOT peer reviewed scientists. It is now 2013 and unlike the goddidit idea that is stuck in the bronze age science progresses

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2006...
Case Closed: The Debate about Global Warming Is Over
… the consensus of the scientific community has shifted from skepticism to near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence …

Ever thought of quoting SCIENTIFIC data rather than goddidit crap? You would do you credibility no end of good.

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#116 Feb 12, 2013
Shubee wrote:
Freeman Dyson is an obvious dissident. He thinks the human contribution to global warming is negligible.
everythingimportant.org/climategate
That link is outdated irrelevance
PHD

Overton, TX

#117 Feb 12, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Clearly your PhD is not in English.
And your reading ability is in?
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#118 Feb 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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And if pigs could fly the price of bacon would rise.
Excuses are excuses and you seem pt have plenty of irrelevant excuses created to obfuscate rather than offer constructive suggestions
Excuses? What irrelevant excuses did you see? What I wrote about was the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere and how that concentration changes depending on location.

What type of constructive suggestion would be appropriate for a discussion of atmospheric CO2 concentration dependent on location?
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#119 Feb 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
The debate is and I quote –“Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students”
That's a wonderful idea. What's wrong with students examining what dissident scientists are saying?
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#120 Feb 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Your link is to the “The Confessing Seventh-day Adventist” site, the page was created in 2007 and last updated in 2010 by godbots with an agenda and NOT peer reviewed scientists.
everythingimportant.org/climat egate contains the opinions of many peer reviewed scientists. The agenda, resisted by you, is to get people to understand what dissident scientists are saying about the holy oracles of mainstream climate scientists.
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#121 Feb 12, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> everythingimportant.org/climategate contains the opinions of many peer reviewed scientists. The agenda, resisted by you, is to get people to understand what dissident scientists are saying about the holy oracles of mainstream climate scientists.
LOL.

Funniest thing I've read here in a while.

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.ht...

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#122 Feb 12, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>And your reading ability is in?
Don't start a sentence with "And".
Don't end a sentence with "in".
"Reading ability" is something which is measure by grade level so the correct word would be "at".
However, you might have meant to ask: "In which language are you best able to read?"

Meanwhile, I reiterate, you certainly didn't obtain a PhD in English.
PHD

Overton, TX

#123 Feb 12, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Don't start a sentence with "And".
Don't end a sentence with "in".
"Reading ability" is something which is measure by grade level so the correct word would be "at".
However, you might have meant to ask: "In which language are you best able to read?"
Meanwhile, I reiterate, you certainly didn't obtain a PhD in English.
And your point would be? Grade level would be? No which language can you read? Meanwhile you made a ASSumption of your ---self. Keep in mind I do respond in kind.

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