Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#983 Apr 24, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Link to your previous assertations, please?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/a rchives/2013/04/a-scientist-re proves-the-alarmist-flock.php

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#984 Apr 24, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Since the Earth is warming from AGW, as I have shown(& you still don't understand), AGW energy can vigorously push Arctic cold to southern regions & set cold temperature records. Its all there. But you don't want to understand & love your ignorance.
Cold records are being set as far south as Mexico, Central America, China, India & Africa because vigorous excess AGW energy pushes Arctic cold quicker towards those regions.
Was it global warming that caused the record cold temps in the past? In the 80's in the early 1900's? Now cold is the new global warming. LOL and I mean LOL

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#985 Apr 24, 2013
Arkansas -29 Feb. 13, 1905

Global warming?

Arizona -40 Jan. 7, 1971

Warming?

Florida - 2 Feb. 13, 1899 Tallahassee

More warming?

Texas -23 Feb. 8, 1933

Damn that global warming is so cold!
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#986 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Was it global warming that caused the record cold temps in the past? In the 80's in the early 1900's?
When they started taking temperatures & writing them down........ hey, they were records, either low or high. As years & decades past, record lows & highs got fewer, because any one year is competing against many decades of records. But lo & behold...... we started making lots of records as infra-red energy absorbing non-phase change GHGs build in the atmosphere.

Presently, lots more warm temperature records are set, than low temperature records..... a sign of AGW. But yeah, lots of cold temperature records are still being set.......for the very reason I have given you.

AGW excess atmospheric energy is pushing cold Arctic fronts to the south more readily & quicker, setting cold temperature records.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#987 Apr 24, 2013
litesong wrote:
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When they started taking temperatures & writing them down........ hey, they were records, either low or high. As years & decades past, record lows & highs got fewer, because any one year is competing against many decades of records. But lo & behold...... we started making lots of records as infra-red energy absorbing non-phase change GHGs build in the atmosphere.
Presently, lots more warm temperature records are set, than low temperature records..... a sign of AGW. But yeah, lots of cold temperature records are still being set.......for the very reason I have given you.
AGW excess atmospheric energy is pushing cold Arctic fronts to the south more readily & quicker, setting cold temperature records.
Wow, imagine that, the climate changes, who would have thought? LOL...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#988 Apr 24, 2013

Late 20th century was warmest in 1,400 years
April 21st, 2013 in Space & Earth / Earth Sciences

Earth was cooling until the end of the 19th century and a hundred years later, the planet's surface was on average warmer than at any time in the previous 1,400 years, according to climate records presented on Sunday.

In a study spanning two millennia published in Nature Geoscience, scientists said a "long-term cooling trend" around the world swung into reverse in the late 19th century.

In the 20th century, the average global temperature was 0.4 degrees Celsius (0.7 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than that of the previous 500 years, with only Antarctica bucking the trend.

From 1971-2000, the planet was warmer than at any other time in nearly 1,400 years.

This measure is a global average, and some regions did experience warmer periods than thatóbut only for a time. Europe, for instance, was probably warmer in the first century AD than at the end of the 20th century.

The investigation is the first attempt to reconstruct temperatures over the last 2,000 years for individual continents.

It seeks to shed light on a fiercely-contested aspect in the global-warming debate.

Sceptics have claimed bouts of cooling or warming before the Industrial Revolutionóincluding two episodes in Europe called the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Ageóare proof that climate variations are natural, not man-made.

The new study does not wade into the debate about greenhouse gases, but points to two planetary trends.

The first is a clear, prolonged period of cooling. It may have been caused by a combination of factors, including an increase in volcanic activity, with stratospheric ashes reflecting the sunlight, or a decrease in solar activity or tiny changes in Earth's orbit, both of which would diminish sunlight falling on the planet.

The coolingóbetween 0.1-0.3 C (0.2-0.6 F) per thousand years, depending on the regionówent into reverse towards the end of the 19th century, and was followed by an intensifying period of warming in the 20th, the paper said.

Beneath this global trend over 2,000 years were episodes of continental cooling or warming, some of which were quite long.

And some continents lagged the overall planetary trend, but with the exception of Antarctica, all followed it.

"Distinctive periods, such as the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age stand out, but do not show a globally uniform pattern on multi-decadal time scales," said Heinz Wanner of the University of Bern in Switzerland, one of 78 researchers from 24 countries who took part in the project.

"There are things that are common to all the regions of the planetólong-term cooling, until the 19th century, followed by warming on all continents, except for Antarctica, where it is less clear, but also strong variations from one region to another," Hugues Goosse, a climatologist at Belgium's Catholic University of Leuven, told AFP.

Previous research into climate change has pointed to a warming spurt in the 20th century and attributed it to the rise of heat-trapping carbon gases emitted by burning coal, oil and gas.

The warming trend shifted up a gear in the middle of the 1970s, in line with record-breaking levels of carbon dioxide (CO2), according to this past research.

2012 saw the 36th straight year that global temperatures were above average since 1880, when scientifically acceptable records were first kept, and was the ninth or 10th warmest on record, US scientists said in January.

The temperature reconstruction published on Sunday was coordinated by a scientific initiative called the Past Global Changes (PAGES) 2K Network.

It brings together weather data as well as telltales of temperature variation from tree rings, pollen, corals, lake and marine sediments, ice cores and stalagmites garnered at 511 locations across seven continental-scale regions.

http://phys.org/news/2013-04-late-20th-centur...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#989 Apr 24, 2013
It's okay, come out of your bunker, the world is not burning.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#990 Apr 24, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Warm fronts with excess AGW energy vigorously push into Artic....Simultaneously, cold Arctic air moved south over Canada & the U.S., causing Maine to record its lowest ever temperature of -50degF.
Further proof of Man made Global Warming.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#991 Apr 24, 2013
Okay, for all of the skeptics and deniers out there take a look at the graphic that shows the Arctic Sea Ice Volume for the last 34 years and tell me if you notice anything:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/04/11/1...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#992 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
It's okay, come out of your bunker, the world is not burning.
Not "BURNING", dumbass.

But to deny in the face of all the evidence available that the overall surface temperature of the earth is not definitively WARMING is insane.
litesong

Everett, WA

#993 Apr 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Okay, for all of the skeptics and deniers out there take a look at the graphic that shows the Arctic Sea Ice Volume for the last 34 years and tell me if you notice anything:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/04/11/1...
Cool variation on the Arctic sea ice 'death spiral'. Your graph shows a comparison of the various months of the years, 1979 thru 2013. One great representation in the future will be seeing the sequence of months as they spiral toward zero km2. Expected will be the first month to reach the zero mark, September. But it just might not be so! If in the final year of the death spiral, a great great collapse of very thin Arctic sea ice(specially if assisted by a summer storm busting up the ice, like in 2012), the first month to reach zero km2, just may be August! Could it be? Hey, your graph shows that October is in the hunt, too. In the final year, might an unexpected cool September forestall what would seemingly be an ice free September? Then, with an unseemly late season heating, might October be the first month to have no Arctic sea ice. I wouldn't pick October because that late in the season, the NP will actually be in its first stages of 24 hours of darkness. Hard to thaw ice to 0 km2 in 24 hours of darkness. But in the early to mid winter, Arctic sea ice can melt with a warm spell.

Anyhow, speculations aside, your graph is presently interesting. & in the future, it will be very very interesting. Thank you.
Fiskar

Oak Hill, WV

#994 Apr 24, 2013
There are two sides to climate change, the al gore, I want to make money off of this scam side and the other side, that there are natural variations in climate change and how the sun affects us. Of course the al gore side makes lots of money. And brings in lots of sheep.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#995 Apr 24, 2013
Fiskar wrote:
There are two sides to climate change, the al gore, I want to make money off of this scam side and the other side, that there are natural variations in climate change and how the sun affects us. Of course the al gore side makes lots of money. And brings in lots of sheep.
Al Gore is a despicable human being on many levels. He talks the talk but he does not walk the walk. His personal life is one of energy profligation. That being said he is correct about global warming. Yes, he tried to sell it with unwarranted scare tactics. If what Al Gore said was true it would be too late by now to do anything. He is also fairly sharp business wise. I think that the concept of credits that you can buy and trade that allow you to pollute are ridiculous. Yet he got in on the ground floor on that and has made himself a billionaire. So he is profiteering off of a very bad ecological policy.

Yet you must remember, you can be a complete a-hole and still be correct about your reasons for being an a-hole.
litesong

Everett, WA

#996 Apr 24, 2013
fiskar wrote:
al gore...... brings in lots of sheep.
Another toxic topix AGW denier without science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. You do have the DEE-plooomaa, right?
Fiskar

Oak Hill, WV

#997 Apr 24, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Another toxic topix AGW denier without science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. You do have the DEE-plooomaa, right?
You are refering to al gore. I gotcha. I knew he was a fraud.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#998 Apr 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Okay, for all of the skeptics and deniers out there take a look at the graphic that shows the Arctic Sea Ice Volume for the last 34 years and tell me if you notice anything:[]
Two things, the chart only goes back 34 years and ice melts in summer.

Also, water freezes in winter, don't panic.
litesong

Everett, WA

#999 Apr 25, 2013
itesong wrote:
Another toxic topix AGW denier without science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. You do have the DEE-plooomaa, right?
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'fiskar' flops:
You are refering(sic) to al gore. I gotcha.
//////////
litesong wrote:
In an effort to sidetrack away from its lack of education,'fiskar' proves its lack of education, with a misspelling & a desire, NOT to own its lack.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1000 Apr 25, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not "BURNING", dumbass.
But to deny in the face of all the evidence available that the overall surface temperature of the earth is not definitively WARMING is insane.
At times it can be hotter, other times it can be colder, the climate is always changing. Come out of your bunker, it's okay now. Be thankful.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1001 Apr 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Okay, for all of the skeptics and deniers out there take a look at the graphic that shows the Arctic Sea Ice Volume for the last 34 years and tell me if you notice anything:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/04/11/1...
Graphics and charts but not reality. Stop scaring to make people rich. How did you Alarmist survive Y2K?
litesong

Everett, WA

#1002 Apr 25, 2013
recked car fire wrote:
....other times it can be colder.....
When are the average Earth temperatures going to return to the early 20th century? Will that occur before or after, the Arctic sea ice completely melts in a near future September, or maybe August, or an outside chance in October.

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