Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#815 Apr 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Compete with what Scientists, not all are alarmists. Are you saying this little Forum here is only for those that have submitted to science journals? Have you? LOL you alarmists are so funny with your passion.
Er you post nonsense.

Nonresponsive.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#816 Apr 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Remember Rev. Gore's sea level scares: The sea level rise over the last 100 years has been 17-20cm, which is 6.7-7.7 inches, which the author alarmingly rounded up to 8 inches. But the real problem is the incredible bait and switch here. They are talking about the dangers of anthropogenic global warming, but include the sea level rise from all warming effects, most of which occured long before we were burning fossil fuels at anywhere near current rates. For example, almost half this rise was before 1950, where few argue that warming and sea level rise was due to man. In fact, sea level rise is really a story of a constant 2-3mm a year rise since about 1850 as the world warms from the little ice age. There has been no modern acceleration.
You are no Al Gore.

Educate yourself about the sea-level rise:

1) The rate of change of sea level is not at all uniform across the globe; and 2) that sea level off the central coast of California has actually been falling since 1997.

More to correct you found here:

http://www.cencoos.org/sections/news/sea_leve...

P.S. You are going down the denier list as programmed by your masters.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#817 Apr 9, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
"Climategate was not made up."
Yes it was. "climategate" is the claim that there was misrepresentation in the climate science based on a massive release of correspondence that was not intended for simple reading. Only one or two emails had language or statements which could be misinterpreted even then.
"Here is the question: Who Released The Climategate Emails And Why?"
Who is immaterial. Who cares who?
The intent of the release was to add confusion to the weaker minds and promote their spamming in public debate. It worked on you..
I'd like to know who released the climategate files. They should be rewarded, the files show collusion, fraud, destruction of evidence and bad science. "Hide the decline" - Really?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#818 Apr 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like to know who released the climategate files. They should be rewarded, the files show collusion, fraud, destruction of evidence and bad science. "Hide the decline" - Really?
This not what you want to hear:

On November 17, 2009, Mann awoke to find out that private correspondence he and other scientists had sent to the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit in the United Kingdom had been hacked and individual phrases disseminated in a way that implied they had falsified their findings. Climate contrarians focused on the words “trick” and “hide the decline”—which some said indicated that Mann had erased data that had shown a decline in twentieth-century temperatures. This was the smoking gun proving climate change was a hoax, critics asserted. The media, for their part, lapped it up.

The reality is different. The e-mail with the words “trick” and “hide the decline” was sent by Phil Jones, head of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit. It read,“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

The “trick” Jones was referring to was Mann’s decision to show two kinds of data on the same chart—data from temperature proxies (like the tree rings) and actual temperature data (from thermometers). This was a trick in the sense of a clever move, not a deception: all the data were labeled, so readers could see where the proxy data end and the temperature records begin.

As for “hide the decline,” Jones wasn’t referring to declines in temperature; he was referring to a drop seen in certain types of tree-ring data after 1960. And he wasn’t referring to Mann’s work—but to that of another scientist, Keith Briffa of the University of East Anglia. Pre-1960, Briffa’s tree-ring density records track the temperature records. Post-1960, there is a decline in the response of certain trees to temperature (possibly due to pollution): the actual recorded temperatures are consistently higher than what the tree-ring data would predict. The temperature records are the more important and reliable data, so Briffa had to discard the tree-ring “decline” records. But the decline wasn’t hidden. It was clearly discussed and labeled in Briffa’s paper. And Mann’s paper didn’t rely on any of those data.

Since then, a half dozen independent inquiries in the United States and United Kingdom have cleared the climatologists involved of scientific wrongdoing.

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/36...

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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#819 Apr 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like to know who released the climategate files. They should be rewarded, the files show collusion, fraud, destruction of evidence and bad science. "Hide the decline" - Really?
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite seven independent inquiries which said it did no such thing, conspiracy theorists on the internet continue to make this claim.
They prefer to construct their own reality rather than have any contact with the real world.
A troll wants to cause a commotion and get people ranting and raving because they want their presence on a forum or comments thread to be the main focus. They want the spotlight and attention on them.

Often they will play devils advocate, vigorously defending statements or positions they know to be illogical or untrue in an attempt to get people riled up.
http://www.insidersedge.co.uk/lifestyletips/h...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#820 Apr 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Awww you liked my post to present it back to me. Nice touch but you should have omitted "NOT."
Responding to your lies is highly satisfying. I'm not telling what I do the rest of my day.
Yeah, Your own posts seem to apply to yourself, why do you have to lie so much to alarm everyone?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#821 Apr 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Er you post nonsense.
Nonresponsive.
The world awaits your book.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#822 Apr 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are no Al Gore.
Educate yourself about the sea-level rise:
1) The rate of change of sea level is not at all uniform across the globe; and 2) that sea level off the central coast of California has actually been falling since 1997.
More to correct you found here:
http://www.cencoos.org/sections/news/sea_leve...
P.S. You are going down the denier list as programmed by your masters.
and Al Gore is no scientist, he actually flunked science. He has made millions from fools like you, he has mansions and flies around the world avoiding the winters. He's laughing all the way to the bank at you. And so am I...LOL> Remember Gore's scare tactics about the sea: We are told sea level is rising and will soon swamp all of our cities. Everybody knows that the Pacific island of Tuvalu is sinking....



Around 1990 it became obvious the local tide-gauge did not agree - there was no evidence of 'sinking.' So scientists at Flinders University, Adelaide, set up new, modern, tide-gauges in 12 Pacific islands.



Recently, the whole project was abandoned as there was no sign of a change in sea level at any of the 12 islands for the past 16 years

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#823 Apr 9, 2013
Some of the most memorable images from Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, are the graphics that show how rising ocean levels will dramatically alter our planet’s coastlines. As Greenland’s ice sheets collapse, Gore predicts that our shores will be flooded and sea-bordering cities will sink beneath the water leaving millions of people homeless. His narration tells the audience that, due to global warming, melting ice could release enough water to cause at 20-foot rise in sea level “in the near future.”
Although he doesn’t give a clear time frame for the 20-foot sea level rise, Gore’s statement seems to contradict several recent reports, including one published in 2008, that predict much smaller rises during this century.
Gore lied. Al Gore is adding his alrmist hysteria. His outlandish projections are not supported by the scientific community. If he didn’t have the nerve to claim a 20ft water level increase no one would listen.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#824 Apr 9, 2013
Al Gore is a liar. His Church of Climatology brooks no opposition.Al gore is not about “helping the earth” but about lining his own pockets with his phoney environmentalism. Lord Momckton a British Climatologist and A British high court Judge have both refuted his lies. His propagandist film an “Inconvenient Truth, Should be renamed “An Opportunistic Lie” The UN Climate panel has falsified data and told outright lies to prove the political point of that there is man made global warming. Former UN climate panel scientists have resigned from the panel in protest at this and the fact that their reports are being edited by civil servants. Man made made global warming is a scam, a political underpinned by junk science.6089

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#825 Apr 9, 2013
Seriously, donate to Gore’s propaganda fund all you want but don’t justify the lies.

I am an environmentalist, always have been, and it’s been a struggle to show, teach, and convince people to live environmentally friendly and live sustainably and hacks like Gore are destroying all the work that has been done by perpetuation the lies. Gore is an opportunistic liar and because of Hollywood’s new pet project (jumping on Gore’s band wagon) the simple masses are forgetting what really matter to the environment and calling for taxing of industry and shutting down the oil sands; the very sources that supplies our wasteful over consumerism. The real work needs to be done at the individual level. Copenhagen and Gore are destroying the environmental cause and feeding the fanatics.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#826 Apr 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are no Al Gore.
Educate yourself about the sea-level rise:
1) The rate of change of sea level is not at all uniform across the globe; and 2) that sea level off the central coast of California has actually been falling since 1997.
More to correct you found here:
http://www.cencoos.org/sections/news/sea_leve...
P.S. You are going down the denier list as programmed by your masters.
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

But according the alarmist, we are suppose to listen to Gore....LOL and I mean LOL.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#827 Apr 9, 2013
I could care less about Al Gore. To me he is an opportunist, and HIGHLY hypocritical.

However.

It IS a fact that the climate is warming, and that man's activities on this earth have had more than a minor impact towards this change.

I **WOULD** like to get off of fossil fuels for that reason, but also to
(1) provide for an overall cleaner environment,(2) removing fossil fuels would put a SERIOUS dent in the economy of Saudi Arabia, and other countries that hate us, and
(3) stimulate a NEW economy, based partially upon sustainable energies like solar, tidal, wind, fusion, hydrogen, etc.

Al Gore just 'caught the wave' at the right time, and was smart enough to capitalize on it. He's still a sleazy opportunist, though.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#828 Apr 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>: Who Released The Climategate Emails And Why?
Who cares. The emails were benign information that stupid people misunderstood as a conspiracy. The only point of contention was them talking about a 'trick' to do something. It wasn't to trick the public, but something to bypass somethin in computers.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#829 Apr 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like to know who released the climategate files. They should be rewarded, the files show collusion, fraud, destruction of evidence and bad science. "Hide the decline" - Really?
I'd like to see your evidence to back this up.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#830 Apr 9, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
...A troll wants to cause a commotion and get people ranting and raving because they want their presence on a forum or comments thread to be the main focus. They want the spotlight and attention on them....
The green troll knows.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#831 Apr 9, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
I could care less about Al Gore. To me he is an opportunist, and HIGHLY hypocritical.
However.
It IS a fact that the climate is warming, and that man's activities on this earth have had more than a minor impact towards this change.
I **WOULD** like to get off of fossil fuels for that reason, but also to
(1) provide for an overall cleaner environment,(2) removing fossil fuels would put a SERIOUS dent in the economy of Saudi Arabia, and other countries that hate us, and
(3) stimulate a NEW economy, based partially upon sustainable energies like solar, tidal, wind, fusion, hydrogen, etc.
Al Gore just 'caught the wave' at the right time, and was smart enough to capitalize on it. He's still a sleazy opportunist, though.
It's not a fact that man's activities have anything to do with it. The earth has gone through many cycles without man causing it. Some scientists will argue against any global warming and what affect it has, if anything, it's a blessing if it's warmer. Some say it's cooling. We would all like to get off of Saudi Oil, let's get the keystone pipeline going because our need for oil will not go away overnight, we are far from getting off of oil. Even the electric cars cause a lot of pollution when we talk about the battery being made and what we are burning when they are plugged in.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#832 Apr 9, 2013
southern alien wrote:
I'd like to see your evidence to back this up.
Didn't you download the files?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#833 Apr 9, 2013
Sixteen prominent scientists recently signed an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal expressing their belief that the theory of global warming is not supported by science. This has not been getting the attention it deserves because politicians (looking at you Al Gore) are frankly embarrassed to admit that they are wrong about the phenomenon known as global warming. Not only has our planet stopped warming, but we may be headed toward a vast cooling period.

New data shows that in fact the Earth has not warmed at all over the last 15 years. In fact, the Daily Mail reports that the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, after taking data from nearly 30,000 stations around the world, have found that the earth stopped warming in 1997. The report suggests we are headed toward a new solar cycle, Cycle 25, which NASA scientists have predicted will be significantly cooler than Cycle 24 which we are in now. This data largely contradicts the accepted theory among the public that carbon dioxide pollution is causing global warming and even proposes that we are actually heading toward global cooling.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#834 Apr 9, 2013
Didn't you get the memo: it's not called global warming anymore, they changed it to "Climate Change".

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