SEX did not EVOLVE
David Jay Jordan

Kelowna, Canada

#22 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
So as this descends into mythology and bible BS all of the real 'questions' have been answered and no countering rational arguments have been made.
Sexual reproduction did indeed evolve.
Finis
To finnish, you have to start...

Evolutionists just aren't competitors and so are no fun because they can;t respond and can';t debate

SEE details HERE

http://creationismdefeatsevolution.webstarts....

To apply this finish before you even start modus operandi of evolutionists.... its a miracle they ever get the job done, or make the journey to the climax or explosion, because they quite before they even enter the fray, or enter the ******

Come on evolutionists, premature explosions just dont get the job done. You cant claim you know when you haven't entered IN and haven;t explained anything.

Please unscientnfic and non sexual evolutionists, dont make me explain these basic sexual truths, I hint at ..... you really have to get out more .....

“It is what it is”

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#23 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
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Context you idiot.
You don't have a clue and only try to repeat what you have read even though you don't understand what you read.(Even when it is explained to you).
GFY
Yes context. Lets look.

Here you clearly say purpose and go on to try explain said purpose.

"Sex is the horizontal exchange of genetic information between members of the same population. The purpose is to increase the amount of genetic variability within a population, especially for those organisms which have a slow reproductive rate, such as vertebrates.
The evolutionary benefit of this increased genetic variability is the enhanced ability to adapt to changing environments".

1. You claimed purpose
2. You try to explain said purpose
3. Then you claim you never claimed purpose.

Lmao. Too funny
David Jay Jordan

Kelowna, Canada

#24 Nov 11, 2017
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>

Are you saying missionary position is not the only position? Will wonders never cease.
No, our sexy God created SEX..... and it is a wonder, and thrilling and productive, teaches one about love and caring, working together and fitting together in LOVE

You gotta come down from your lofty mountain top and lay in the fields of grass and WARMTH. Thank the Creator for all He/She has given you, and then happily progress... and PROGRESS.... to more and more levels and more and more positions.
David Jay Jordan

Kelowna, Canada

#25 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
<quoted text>

Context you idiot.
You don't have a clue and only try to repeat what you have read even though you don't understand what you read.(Even when it is explained to you).
GFY
Settle down evolutionists, this thread is not about you TWO arguing about something inconsequential, but this thread is about SEX. Concentrate, focus in your minds...... bring something to the party..... you make make LOVE when you are angry.

Make LOVE not WAR, says the God of Creation.
Simon

Ewing, VA

#26 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
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No, Lets get it right and exact .....the Lord our Common Creator' said

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

**********

But lets not talk about the truth of Creationism, this thread concerns evolutionists and their theory of sexuality.

Evolutionists do answer the questions about billion year evolutionary changes in one gender that might make the other gender WAIT...and WAIT and WAIT.

Answer now
Male and female humans are the same species, human women give birth to both male and female children.

Males and females are like different faces of the same coin.

This has been explained to you already in detail right down to the development of genitalia.

You are now dragging this out, the answers have been provided with no countering.

You used the phrase:
"The truth of creationism"....
In order to be truth it has to be in accordance with fact or reality, it is neither of those so it's not truth, just myth.
Simon

Ewing, VA

#27 Nov 11, 2017
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>

Yes context. Lets look.

Here you clearly say purpose and go on to try explain said purpose.

"Sex is the horizontal exchange of genetic information between members of the same population. The purpose is to increase the amount of genetic variability within a population, especially for those organisms which have a slow reproductive rate, such as vertebrates.
The evolutionary benefit of this increased genetic variability is the enhanced ability to adapt to changing environments".

1. You claimed purpose
2. You try to explain said purpose
3. Then you claim you never claimed purpose.

Lmao. Too funny
You are pathetic
Simon

Ewing, VA

#28 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>

Settle down evolutionists, this thread is not about you TWO arguing about something inconsequential, but this thread is about SEX. Concentrate, focus in your minds...... bring something to the party..... you make make LOVE when you are angry.

Make LOVE not WAR, says the God of Creation.
Actualy that was a phrase used in the United States the 60's.
It originated in1965.
Simon

Ewing, VA

#29 Nov 11, 2017
From Wikipedia:

"Radical activists Penelope and Franklin Rosemont and Tor Faegre helped to popularize the phrase by printing thousands of "Make Love, Not War" buttons at the Solidarity Bookshop in Chicago, Illinois and distributing them at the Mother's Day Peace March in 1965. They were the first to print the slogan."

However there is more to the story:
"MAKE LOVE NOT WAR - A writer browsing in a Maine used bookstore came across "Rationale of the Dirty Joke" by G. Legman. Later, in 1999, he saw an obituary for Gershon Legman (1917-1999) in the New York Times. Legman was called "'a self-taught scholar of dirty jokes,'(who) had died at the age of eighty-one, in the South of France, where he lived in voluntary exile from his native United States." He was credited with inventing the vibrating dildo, introducing origami to the West and coining the phrase "Make Love, Not War." Mr. Legman said he coined the phrase in a lecture at Ohio University in 1963. From "Stop Me If You've Heard This - A History and Philosophy of Jokes" by Jim Holt (W.W. Norton & Co., New York and London, 2008) Page 3, 30-31. A reference says coinage "has been attributed to Gershon Legman, a sexologist who is credited with first using the phrase 'Make Love, Not War,' during a speech in 1963. Others, however, claim that the German political philosopher Herbert Marcuse, who lived in the USA from 1934, actually coined the phrase." From "The Oxford Dictionary of Catchphrases" compiled by Anna Farkas (Oxford University Press, Oxford, New York, 2002). Page 214".

The old biblical version is:
"make war, kill the men and children and rape the women".

Since: Nov 17

Kelowna, Canada

#30 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
<quoted text>

Male and female humans are the same species, human women give birth to both male and female children.

Males and females are like different faces of the same coin.

This has been explained to you already in detail right down to the development of genitalia.

You are now dragging this out, the answers have been provided with no countering.

You used the phrase:
"The truth of creationism"....
In order to be truth it has to be in accordance with fact or reality, it is neither of those so it's not truth, just myth.
Dear Beloved Simon (the non fisherman)...

No, the Topic is SEX did not Evolve... and no one has shown or answered my questions nor has any evolutionist explained how the different genitalia, hormones, brains, female womb etc evolved. If you want to relent, that sounds plausible and I will accept the defeat of evolution again.

So do wave the white flag, against overwhelming odds and proofs it is the prudent thing to do.

Since: Nov 17

Kelowna, Canada

#31 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
<quoted text>

Actualy that was a phrase used in the United States the 60's.
It originated in1965.
No, Make love not war is a paraphrase of the 1st commandment

Be fruitful and multiply......

If you could add, you might learn to multiply, for the Lord told naked Adam and Eve to join together as ONE..... a little graphic but its down to Earth Biology from the Lord, the Creator of SEX...and then they could make another, first Cain, then Able, and onward and onward exactly as explained by the Historic Scientific Book called Genesis...

And as the Good Loving Book states... the comandments are not grievous but **********

I think I shall have some lunch now, and then maybe obey the 1st commandment if my beloved so agrees.
Simon

Ewing, VA

#32 Nov 11, 2017
"Make love not war" was published in Chicago and became well known as a phrase in 1965.

The back story is:

"MAKE LOVE NOT WAR - A writer browsing in a Maine used bookstore came across "Rationale of the Dirty Joke" by G. Legman. Later, in 1999, he saw an obituary for Gershon Legman (1917-1999) in the New York Times. Legman was called "'a self-taught scholar of dirty jokes,'(who) had died at the age of eighty-one, in the South of France, where he lived in voluntary exile from his native United States." He was credited with inventing the vibrating dildo, introducing origami to the West and coining the phrase "Make Love, Not War." Mr. Legman said he coined the phrase in a lecture at Ohio University in 1963. From "Stop Me If You've Heard This - A History and Philosophy of Jokes" by Jim Holt (W.W. Norton & Co., New York and London, 2008) Page 3, 30-31. A reference says coinage "has been attributed to Gershon Legman, a sexologist who is credited with first using the phrase 'Make Love, Not War,' during a speech in 1963. Others, however, claim that the German political philosopher Herbert Marcuse, who lived in the USA from 1934, actually coined the phrase." From "The Oxford Dictionary of Catchphrases" compiled by Anna Farkas (Oxford University Press, Oxford, New York, 2002). Page 214".

The biblical version is:

Make war, kill the men and children and rape the women.
Simon

Ewing, VA

#33 Nov 11, 2017
Davidjayjordan wrote:
<quoted text>

Dear Beloved Simon (the non fisherman)...

No, the Topic is SEX did not Evolve... and no one has shown or answered my questions nor has any evolutionist explained how the different genitalia, hormones, brains, female womb etc evolved. If you want to relent, that sounds plausible and I will accept the defeat of evolution again.

So do wave the white flag, against overwhelming odds and proofs it is the prudent thing to do.
Genitalia has been explained.
Hormones covered.
Brains in another thread quite completely.
Wombs are a new goalpost.

You have offered no "proofs" Even though you indicate you have.

I will have to leave this conversation now (I do not "relent"), it's time to visit the daughter, it has been refreshing that you have not resorted to ad hominem, That is as it should be.
CIAO

Since: Nov 17

Kelowna, Canada

#34 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
The biblical version is:

Make war, kill the men and children and rape the women.
Yes, you are rude and crude and oppose the Loving Creator and Creator of SEX

Since: Nov 17

Kelowna, Canada

#35 Nov 11, 2017
Back to the original question to evolutionists... which they still refuse to answer, let alone all the other ones I have questioned them about.

**********

Thinking our human characteristics evolved is ludicrous, and unscientific, but its even more ludicrous and insane, to think that our genders evolved perfectly and harmoniously, and according to our distances and depths, hormones, brains, blood flows, nerve endings, sperm design, egg design etc etc....

But evolutionists claim that sex between us evolved over billions and billions of years. But I would suggest to you, that the appropriate high energy male would not wait a million or even a thousand years for the equally developed and hyped up sexy female to pass his corner. Because what was UP would go DOWN if he had to wait that long.

Do explain this up and down and In and out meaning to evolutionists who dont know biology or reproduction or genetics. They must have reproduced through luck and chance or maybe by accident they turned over in their sleep. Their miraculous conceptions, do need a better explanation, so lets give them a chance to prove their claim that SEX evolved.

They get rather rude and crude in their language and foolishness though, but maybe one will step forward, and give us the evolutionary theory on how how human sexuality evolved.
Science

New York, NY

#36 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>

Switching the proofs back to me, doesnt vindicate your lack of knowledge and lack of being able to explain sexual evolution. Evolutionists are so evasive, and do hate explaining anything, simply because they dont know and their theory doesnt give any explanation when asked.

So I ask again logically and scientifically, how did sex evolve in BOTH genders at the same time, so that BOTH genders could reproduce at the same time, without one having to wait a billion years for the supposed mutational change to occur in the opposite gender, to make reproduction possible.

Evolution is supposed to be about reproduction and the making of a new KIND, so this basic principle or need...... of two equally evolved species has not been theorized yet by you atheistic evolutionists. Please modify your theory and explain. Make up a new theory, if totally stymied, or just throw up your hands in DEFEAT as per usual.

The true science is that BOTH human genders or sexs, had to be created at the same time as per the CREATION SCIENCE as relayed exactly to us by GENESIS.

Adam saw Eve and instantly was attracted to her, and knew the other function of what was below, and then knew EVE.

Thats discrete language from the Bible, but I can explain it to you, if need be in a private email. For knowing, is knowledge, Ha....first HAND knowledge even if using two hands, or better yet even if four hands were involved.
The burden of proof has always been yours. You keep adding to it, but you don't present anything to support it. I didn't make your claims. The burden of proof to uphold those claims has never been mine.

You can fence all you like, you still have the burden of proof.

Evolution is about change in living things over time. See how little you know about the subject you preach on and on about.

Please provide us with your arguments supporting your claims. That is all that you need to do. That apparently is something you can't do.

The function of what was below? What do you mean? Running? Defecating? Urinating? Sitting? Standing? Are you trying to tell us that Eve knew automatically that her role was to lay there with her legs spread and take it? Keep her mouth shut and that's what she's gonna do?

I'm so unclear on what you mean, but I'm not alone. So are you.
Science

New York, NY

#37 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
Evolutionists, I think the simplicity of your theory, greatly greatly underestimates the complexity of heterosexual reproduction. No true biologist would ever consider that the nervous system hit and miss supposed changes, along side hit and miss chemical hormonal changes, partnered exactly with corresponding hit and miss lucky structural sexual changes could produce a new life, let alone new structures in all these areas....All happen ALL at the same time.

Religiously evolutionists can believe and hope and pray for such a miracle and THANK their god of evolution for their sexual lives and sexual BEING, but scientifically it all would have had to come together in one BIG GIGANTIC BANG.

So maybe thats where they got their big climax or start of their lives, in a LUCKY BIG BANG.

But lets let them show their proofs, and include all these areas, hormones, nervous system, blood flows, neural connections, brain waves, and how they all came together at once.... to give us...sex and reproduction.

If you dont know, as I am sure, you will refuse to answer this question, then just honestly say..'Us, evolutionists don;t know' "We're working on it"
Since evolution is accepted by over 99% of true biologists, you would be wrong.

Prove that all this happened at the same time. Another claim you won't defend.

To you, the existence of a magic sky daddy you can't prove exists, acting in a story you can't prove is true, made everything in a week and you can't prove that is true either, but you consider it a better explanation than one built on knowledge, logic, reason, and evidence. Not to mention the many other magic sky daddy or daddies religions that exist with creation stories different from the Bible.
Science

New York, NY

#38 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
The question should be: what advantage was there to meiosis/mitosis that outweighed the benefit of simple binary fission?

Sex is the horizontal exchange of genetic information between members of the same population. The purpose is to increase the amount of genetic variability within a population, especially for those organisms which have a slow reproductive rate, such as vertebrates.

The evolutionary benefit of this increased genetic variability is the enhanced ability to adapt to changing environments.

Asking "why did sex evolve?", implies some sort of knowledge, reason or purpose or knowing the future on the part of evolution: changes that give an advantage to future generations thrive as long as it's a advantage.

Simply declaring sex did not evolve is no more than ignorant unsupported denial.

Evolution works only on immediate advantage. it has no foresight, evolution is a consequence, not so much a process.

To say sex is not part of evolution is like saying flour is not a part of bread.

This is another Jordan denial "forum", he makes ignorant claims, spews rhetoric, makes declarations, adds bible cut and paste garbage with no supporting evidence, he gets his butt kicked and moves on to make another "forum".
Maybe function would have been a better word than purpose, but it doesn't degrade your very fine point here. I understand you perfectly and your point is valid. Nit picking your use of "purpose" is a semantic argument of little or no value. I suppose someone not versed in science and seeking to undermine a scientific argument that they can't really disagree with, would target such trivialities and make that the focus to divert discussion and puff up their own image.

Evolution is directed by selection and it works with the materials at hand. There is no deciding agent directing it. If there were, that agent is doing all it can to keep evidence of its existence a secret.

To be fair to David, all he has is ignorant, unsupported denial. He tries to do the best he can with that, but he isn't sane enough or intelligent enough to pull it off.
Science

New York, NY

#39 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>

I realize evolutionists are deniers, but lets first educate them sexually a little bit... sex does not have to be a horizontal exchange, it doesn't have to be done horizontally, it can be done with practice vertically.

OK, you mean sex is an equal exchange between male and female because male and female created HE them.... thats CREATIONISM, thats SCIENCE, thats EQUALITY.

Church people hate this truth, religionists hate this truth, but size doesn;t matter, brain size doesn;t matter with the Lord even if female brains are slightly smaller than inflated male brains.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/EqualityNotPatr...

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/GodsandGodesses...

OK, so we agree that equality is a KEY.... now answer the questions and questions I asked of you.

Was sexual organs vestigal and waiting for the appropriate timely corresponding sexual mutations in our mates before they could have sex and reproduce. Were the supposedly new sex organs just dangling or internally waiting for their counter-PARTS for million of years ? Was their a cessation of hormones back then that gave these first humans, the patience to just sit around on their mutations until help arrived ?

Please answer the question....
You want to educate people sexually? Was that a poor choice in phrasing or is this going to turn creepy?

Horizontally and vertically. Yes. It did turn creepy.

While I accept science and believe in equality, there is no evidence for creation. Biblical or any other religious kind based on belief. Putting creation in a sentence with with science and equality does not impart some magic to it that makes it valid.

Equality as a philosophical character is not involved here. Evolution is a process of change in biology and not a system of values. No matter how much you want to make it by twisting everything. You should have been born Bavarian. You really like pretzels.

If sexual organs were vestigial, they would have had to have had a previous function and lost it. I haven't heard this version before, but it is the closest you have come to supporting evolution that I've seen. I'm sure its an accident of your ignorance.

All of your statements are assumptions. You assume that sex as mammals perform it, had to arise at the same time the origin of sexual reproduction did. Mammals have only been around for about 150 million years and didn't become dominant until after 65 million years ago. Sex has been around longer than that and takes place in organisms without all the specialized mammalian genitalia.

You should really learn some science. I have and it has made a lot of difference.
Science

New York, NY

#40 Nov 11, 2017
Simon wrote:
<quoted text>

You have reading comprehension issues, I said there was no purpose dim bulb!
I don't think they are comprehension issues. He is a fundy and wants to have a seat at the table. He knows enough to know that fundy creation doesn't cut it, but he wants to be on both sides of the table. It was the only flaw in your post, so it was the only thing he could comment on. He picked the fundy side of the table. Belief is hard to shake off, when you have been bathing in it your whole life. That and he is a drama queen. A shit disturber for attention.
Science

New York, NY

#41 Nov 11, 2017
David Jay Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>

Regarding-play time, I think you will have to rethink your playtime.

Yes, evolutionists like yourself state that evolution is undirected, at random, has nothing to do with need, and that envirorment or lack of a mating partner, in no way effects, random mutations that somehow someway just magically advance the human race one gender at a time.... whew, thats wild, but you are allowed to have your theory upon theory.... as we allow 'freedom of religion'. But to say also that evolutionary random change has 'no purpose' and just happens to advance our already existing advances.... borders on true lunacy.

Thank darn ya's think. But then again at least you are consistent in your worship of LUCK and CHANCE, LUCKY RENDEZVOUS, and amazing TIMINGS. Evolution is theoritically all luck and chance and so you have to say there is no purpose in these wild mutations..... if two appear rather than one, so be it, if four dangle rather than two, so be it. If another opening shows up, where it ought not, so be it... if there is no rthyme or reason, or purpose within time and the magic of natural selection, these mutations will not advance our bodies or help in reproduction.

Its all LUCK and CHANCE...(even though thats absolutely impossible)

So back to those transition organs, that were hiding or dangling, evolutionists, do you people have extras that we unenlightened ones dont have, do you have some sort of advantage that we lesser humans lack. OR do you have the identical tools of play, recreation and procreation.... as Adam and Eve.

Answer evolutionists.

I say we are exactly the same as Adam and Eve, the original couple, whos family line we have with exact dates via Genesis.

Answer now....
You got it wrong again. He's one of you. Fundy the Clown. He had a chance to approach this the right way, but he threw it away again. He tries to live life on both sides of the table, he wants friends, but he doesn't want them. Be easy on him. Fundy has torn up another life and we are seeing the struggle to overcome it, but he still has a way to go. Maybe one day he will see that he can have an opinion without being an ass about it or that someone can disagree and it isn't an indictment against his entire existence and identity. But he has a long way to go and backslides frequently.

There's that straw man version of evolution you keep beating on. When do you think you might talk about what is actually said in science and what is actually known and reported about evolution? Sometime soon I hope, but alas, my hopes will be dashed won't they.

Answer us David. What are your arguments in support of your many claims? Stop running and answer questions and provide support for your claims. Stop being a LYING fundy creationist, full of venom and hate. Stop trying to dehumanize people so that you can propose your final solution without guilt.

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