Educational aspects of creationism an...

Educational aspects of creationism and evolutionism

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Since: Feb 13

Lancaster, MA

#1 Aug 17, 2013

The endless contention about teaching evolution vs. creation in the public schools needs examination.
Evolution is taught as if its every premise and proposition
were proven, whereas it (like all existence) is ultimately, we could say, based upon “science;s creation-science”-- the Big Bang.
And the fossil record is not absolute proof of absolute origins
And “random”, purely chance mutation, if not disproven per my discussions previously posted, is unproveable.
Evolution theory unfortunately developed within an ethos of free-market
exploitative materialism, reactionary rationalism, and with assertions of the sanctity of atheism thrown in by persons in high evolutionary places (the field‘s positions, not their evolved state!!).
Comparing the strictly materialistic/phenomenological of evolution with, say, physics or chemistry, is unwise. The latter two do not include in their domains human intelligence and behavior and beliefs, ethics, subjectivities.
These are actual phenomena, even though one cannot sift them from encasing silt, or view them through instruments ...or carbon- date them. Evolution omits much of the existence of existence.
Humanity is not seen as an aspect of human (specie).
Almost as if physics or chemistry only dealt with the
reductionistics and particulates (protons, neutrons, electrons etc.) without considering the complete fields and forces within which such componential fusions and combinations and compounding occur -- factors such as how and even whether phenomena of physics (such as explosives)
should be used,
Yes, here are, of course, those who want religion taught in the schools no matter what. Just because they say so.
But many who agitate vs. evolution or for creationism in the public school
classroom may be primarily concerned with preparing their kids for life within an orientation and outlook other than chance and animalistic supremacy as the primary creators and movers of being. Again, unlike other science, here mankind is involved. by default, Evolution involves something more than mere organism.
Oh yes, there’s an arrogance, a “cosmic projection” inherent in extremist
Creation Science. The Creator of all is but the image of man. And there is such insecurity. Otherwise, the profound process of formulation and even vast temporality (the billions of years of mainstream’s paleo-time) would be something for awe and “worship”. That man and other life-forms, even from an origin-cell, relate as LIFE should humble us, yet exalt us that such marvel is THE CREATION as our systematology, our heritage. That a single-cell fertilized by some miracle to become a “molecula-vita“, what’s more to replicate ...then variagate ...all through the eons ,...complexifications .... reaching unto manifesting the exquisite of wonder and beauty as seen by man as he looks on and back on his lineage-in-life ... is this not a greater conception of creation’s miracle than a “let there be ...” or “let the earth bring forth”...mindless myth??

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Aug 18, 2013
This argument boils down to:

"We should teach a science based on what I believe is a better conclusion to draw from that science."

That's not how science works.

We don't change the laws of thermodynamics because entropy tells us that anything we create will ultimately be destroyed.

We don't change Earth sciences because the idea of earthquakes is scary.

We don't change the biology because it tells us that we are going to die.

Science is science.

Creationism is not science. It's philosophy. In particular, its Christian Philosophy. And that's fine to teach in a church. However teaching something that directly contradicts reality does not help students learn.

Your criticisms listed above are either ill-thought out or utterly unfounded.

From what I've read I don't believe you understand what evolution is, how it works, or how much evidence there is to support it.

Evolution is, in all of science, the most "Duh!" concept. It's simple, it's obvious, it's true across all of biology.

In contrast, ask a physicist why a kitchen magnet is stronger than the Earth's gravity? They don't have a clue.

You are free to not like evolution. You are free to tell your kid "Hey, don't believe what they teach you in school. Our family is destined to make french fries and mop floors. Leave that science for the smart kids."

Just stop trying to deny OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN the ability to succeed.

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