$10,000 Bet to prove Genesis wrong an...

$10,000 Bet to prove Genesis wrong and evolution true?

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#1 Mar 27, 2013
Link: http://www.king5.com/news/national/Creationis...

A California creationist is offering you a chance to go home with $10,000, if you can prove in a court of law that science contradicts the literal reading of the Book of Genesis.

The catch? You have to pony up $10,000 of your own if the judge says you’re wrong.

Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo, contributing writer for the Creation Science Hall of Fame, is making the bet. He said he’ll put up $10,000 in escrow with the judge while the person trying to prove him wrong has to do the same.

Mastropaolo said if his opponent proves, scientifically, that the literal reading of Genesis is wrong and that we evolved, that person will take the full $20,000. Mastropaolo said the evidence must be objective, valid, reliable and calibrated.

The challenge will be heard in a real courtroom before a superior court judge, according to Mastropaolo. The court costs will be paid by the winner of the challenge.


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Since: May 08


#2 Mar 27, 2013
Two problems:

(1) While the term "Scientifc proof" is bandied about by we lay people, there is, in fact, no such thing as "PROOF" in science. What is ususally described as proof is extremely compelling evidence to support conclusions raised by science.

If "PROOF" is the deciding factor, science has already lost. Fundies were never actually in the game, to be honest, but they're NOT honest. They will contend that (generalizing here)"The Bible is my 'PROOF'", and demand the $10k.

(2) A debate such as this would lend legitimacy to the notion that Creationism (Genesis account) and the Theory of Evolution are on equal grounds.

They are so far apart so as to render any SERIOUS argument moot. There really **IS NO DEBATE** among those without a religious agenda (or sleazy politicians courting those with a religious agenda).
Frasier Crane

Roslyn, NY

#3 Mar 27, 2013
Sucker bet

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#4 Mar 27, 2013
Frasier Crane wrote:
Sucker bet
Definitely a sucker bet. From the linked article:

" The court costs will be paid by the winner of the challenge."

That means if you win, and the court costs are over $10,000 you will be in the red.

So let's see, the evolution side will obviously have to pay for their own expert witnesses, and of course take a considerable amount of time to help find a judge and a venue and then if, actually it should be when, he wins he will have to pay for the judge, venue, etc. out of his winnings.

No matter what happens the evolutionist will be out several thousand dollars at least. This guy puts up $10,000 for a limited amount of time and gets to shoot his mouth off.

United States

#5 Mar 27, 2013
What is "calibrated" evidence?

Fairfield, IA

#6 Mar 27, 2013
And what if the judge happens to be a Bible-believing fundamentalist Christian?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#7 Mar 27, 2013
Fundie has a get-out clause due to non-falsifiable concepts being uh, non-falsifiable. I should do the same thing and say if anyone can falsify Cosmic Sheep of Dimension Zog they'll get ten grand. I get to talk complete bollox for a while and they pay all the court costs. Great!

Just another variant of the Kent Hovind "challenge". Nothing important.(shrug)
Frasier Crane

Roslyn, NY

#8 Mar 27, 2013
How can this be something which can be tested in a law court? Criminal or civil? On what grounds could a court deal with this?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#9 Mar 27, 2013
Frasier Crane wrote:
How can this be something which can be tested in a law court? Criminal or civil? On what grounds could a court deal with this?
It is not the correct venue.

The fundie is merely making noise. He is proposing that some sort of legal judge would decide a contest. Since the judge is an expert on law and not on science his decision would be almost meaningless.

Worse that fundie has set it up so that no matter what the evolution side would be in the red. The costs for the judge and the venue would have to be paid by the winning side from the $10,000 he got from the other person. What is even worse is that cost could easily be about $10,000 in which case that cost would come out of the $10,000 that he put up. Plus the evolution side would probably bring in expert witnesses and those don't come free.

This is as has been pointed out a sucker bet that will not be taken up by evolutionists. No matter what the results were they would be out quite a bit of money. If the fundie loses no one on his side would be convinced anyway.

Meanwhile he makes national news on money that he will get back once the time period for the challenge is up. He wins all around.

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