ADL Denounces Ben Stein's 'Expelled'

Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:06:49 pm PST I don't always agree with the Anti-Defamation League, but I do in this case: Anti-Evolution Film Misappropriates the Holocaust . via Little Green Footballs

[Matt from Akron]

As well they should. Ben Stein should be deeply ashamed of himself.

[Matt from Akron]

The full text from the ADL:

The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory.

Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler’s genocidal madness.

Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry.

[Pete-o]

Matt from Akron wrote:

The full text from the ADL:
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This should bounce Stein from CBS Sunday morning, he really is pathetic.
That being said I'd like to see expelled, but it isn't playing near me. I'll wait and see it when it comes out on video next month. Although I don't want to give them any money.
I think it is important to know what these guys are up to.

[Matt from Akron]

Pete-o wrote:

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This should bounce Stein from CBS Sunday morning, he really is pathetic.
That being said I'd like to see expelled, but it isn't playing near me. I'll wait and see it when it comes out on video next month. Although I don't want to give them any money.
I think it is important to know what these guys are up to.

Yeah, I'm going to have to rent it as well. I have seen so many articles and reviews I doubt if there will be any surprises. However, I consider it a "business expense", so Ben can have a few cents of my money. lol.

[Darwins Stepchild]

Pete-o wrote:

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This should bounce Stein from CBS Sunday morning, he really is pathetic.
That being said I'd like to see expelled, but it isn't playing near me. I'll wait and see it when it comes out on video next month. Although I don't want to give them any money.
I think it is important to know what these guys are up to.

Might take a while. From Ed Brayton's blog...

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Injunction Against Expelled

A federal judge in New York has issued an injunction against any further distribution of Expelled in a lawsuit filed by Yoko Ono over the use of John Lennon's Imagine in the film without permission. The movie can continue to be shown, but no new prints can be sent out and they cannot distribute DVDs of the movie at least until they hold a hearing on a further injunction on May 19.

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[Darwins Stepchild]

And there is this from ERV...

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What do the DI fellows think of the ADL?

I know Im not the only one who has eagerly anticipated the Discovery Institutes response to the ADL officially denouncing EXPELLED.

Well John Kwok is not one to sit by and wait patiently for a press release. He emailed dear David Klinghoffer,'Jew', DI fellow, to ask about his position on EXPELLED:

Dear David, The Anti-Defamation League issued a terse press release today condemning the equation of 'Darwinism' with Nazism in 'Expelled'. How can you call yourself a religious Jew and still believe in such Fundamentalist Protestant Christian nonsense like Intelligent Design or belong to a Fundamentalist Protestant Christian organization like the Discovery Institute?

Here's the press release:

http://adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5277_52.htm

Daivds response:

Congratulations, John, whoever you are, this is your most hilarious email yet. The idea that I would feel chastised by a press release from the ADL! That is rich. You either don't know anything about me, or about the ADL, or both.

Shorter DI fellow: LOL! We dont care what Jews think about the Holocaust, stupid!!

Fantastic.

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[Pete-o]

Darwins Stepchild wrote:

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Might take a while. From Ed Brayton's blog...
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Injunction Against Expelled
A federal judge in New York has issued an injunction against any further distribution of Expelled in a lawsuit filed by Yoko Ono over the use of John Lennon's Imagine in the film without permission. The movie can continue to be shown, but no new prints can be sent out and they cannot distribute DVDs of the movie at least until they hold a hearing on a further injunction on May 19.
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It's good to see when dishonesty is used to promote idealogy it gets paid back in a way like this.

[Darwins Stepchild]

Pete-o wrote:

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It's good to see when dishonesty is used to promote idealogy it gets paid back in a way like this.

It will be interesting to see what Harvard's case against "Expelled" produces.

[Pete-o]

Darwins Stepchild wrote:

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It will be interesting to see what Harvard's case against "Expelled" produces.

The movie is another in a long line of embarassments for ID, but when will it finally end?
Judging by the history of religion (witch hunts, inquisition, etc) I don't think this type of behavior will end any time soon.
Maybe when they use other people's work, the owners of the property rights will make it tough for dishonest tactics to be used in their efforts.
As their lies are disproven again and again, eventually people willwhat they are: zealots.

[saviorself]

Ben Stein has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Not only did The third-reich PROMOTE social Darwinism proudly (as did America, by the way, in the very early part of the twentieth century with forced castration law in some cases) but the mere fact that we will no longer admit it speaks VOLUMES about the real worth any believer has in the theories themselves. And by the way, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold stalked classmates wearing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Survival of the fittest" and were quite eager little students of social Darwin theory to.

[Feklahr]

saviorself wrote:

Ben Stein has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Not only did The third-reich PROMOTE social Darwinism proudly (as did America, by the way, in the very early part of the twentieth century with forced castration law in some cases) but the mere fact that we will no longer admit it speaks VOLUMES about the real worth any believer has in the theories themselves. And by the way, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold stalked classmates wearing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Survival of the fittest" and were quite eager little students of social Darwin theory to.

*rolls out gong and Jamie Farr*

BONG!!!!!!!!!!

[Gillette]

>Saviorself
Ben Stein has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Not only did The third-reich PROMOTE social Darwinism proudly (as did America, by the way, in the very early part of the twentieth century with forced castration law in some cases) but the mere fact that we will no longer admit it speaks VOLUMES about the real worth any believer has in the theories themselves. And by the way, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold stalked classmates wearing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Survival of the fittest" and were quite eager little students of social Darwin theory to.

>>>>>Gillette
Social Darwinism is a perversion of science that was put together by non-scientists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

It has nothing to do with the validity of the Theory of Evolution in biology, any more than the Chinese chemist who invented gunpowder is responsible for the Columbine massacre.

[Matt from Akron]

saviorself wrote:

Ben Stein has NOTHING to be ashamed of. Not only did The third-reich PROMOTE social Darwinism proudly (as did America, by the way, in the very early part of the twentieth century with forced castration law in some cases) but the mere fact that we will no longer admit it speaks VOLUMES about the real worth any believer has in the theories themselves. And by the way, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold stalked classmates wearing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Survival of the fittest" and were quite eager little students of social Darwin theory to.

You religious fanatics keep trotting out the old Nazi lie, and it keeps getting refuted. You'd thing it would sink in by now... oh, that's right, you don't care that you're lying. As long as you can spread your anti-science propaganda, it doesn't matter what the truth is. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

[saviorself]

Matt from Akron wrote:

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You religious fanatics keep trotting out the old Nazi lie, and it keeps getting refuted. You'd thing it would sink in by now... oh, that's right, you don't care that you're lying. As long as you can spread your anti-science propaganda, it doesn't matter what the truth is. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

it has NEVER been refuted, other than by "Matt from Akron." In fact, in EVERY propopoganda speech GIVEN by Hitler in refernce to the Jews referred to their "social deficiencies" and their "corrputing influence on the Germanic peoples." Honest to God, you idiots who try to pretend that Hitler, of all people, was not a racist and did NOT believe in the GENETIC SUPERIORITY of one race over another ASTOUND me. You act as though it is a personal attack somehow. Or as though you fear fact. Sorry Matt from Akron, you have your FACTS wrong here.

[saviorself]

Matt from Akron wrote:

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You religious fanatics keep trotting out the old Nazi lie, and it keeps getting refuted. You'd thing it would sink in by now... oh, that's right, you don't care that you're lying. As long as you can spread your anti-science propaganda, it doesn't matter what the truth is. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

and I am about as FAR from a religious fanatic as you get. But ANYONE, for ANY reason, whow would EVER try to pretend that the Nazis party did NOT believe in genetic superiority of one race over another and was DELIBERATLEY attempting to engineer a society BASED on those beliefs through both genocide AND selective breeding is a FOOL. Or a liar.

[saviorself]

saviorself wrote:

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and I am about as FAR from a religious fanatic as you get. But ANYONE, for ANY reason, whow would EVER try to pretend that the Nazis party did NOT believe in genetic superiority of one race over another and was DELIBERATLEY attempting to engineer a society BASED on those beliefs through both genocide AND selective breeding is a FOOL. Or a liar.

or an apologist, I suppose. There COULD be a vested interest in trying to pretend that Nazism did not have an inherent genetic superiority belief to it. Certainly, as it gets further lost to the fog of history, it has definately become easier and easier to pretend that that was not the case. Goerbils would be proud of you as well, Matt from Akron. After all, all you have to do is repeat a lie often enough for it to become the truth.

[Pete-o]

saviorself wrote:

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and I am about as FAR from a religious fanatic as you get. But ANYONE, for ANY reason, whow would EVER try to pretend that the Nazis party did NOT believe in genetic superiority of one race over another and was DELIBERATLEY attempting to engineer a society BASED on those beliefs through both genocide AND selective breeding is a FOOL. Or a liar.

No I agree on what you say about Hitler, but it has nothing tod o about evolution.

[Gillette]

>>>>saviorself
and I am about as FAR from a religious fanatic as you get. But ANYONE, for ANY reason, whow would EVER try to pretend that the Nazis party did NOT believe in genetic superiority of one race over another and was DELIBERATLEY attempting to engineer a society BASED on those beliefs through both genocide AND selective breeding is a FOOL. Or a liar.

>>>Gillette
No one is saying Hitler didn't believe in racial superiority. But those ideas were around LONG before Darwin made his discoveries, and the Theory of Evolution makes it clear that humanity is one race, not several different races with one better than the other.

Hitler had Darwin's books burned. Why?

Germany was mostly Lutheran, and the good Protestant Lutherans participated willingly in the mechanics of the Holocaust.

Read Daniel Goldhaber's "Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust."
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executi...

Hitler's madness aside, the climate in which Nazi hatred of Jews and others could flourish was a specifically Christian one, a climate of 2000 years of virulent Christian anti-semitism based squarely in the gospels ("The Jews, the Jews, the Jews" and "His blood be on our heads and our children's"), fostered none the least by Martin Luther (read "On The Jews and Their Lies" in which he fantasizes a holocaust of his own).

Read "Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews -- A History" by James Carroll.
http://www.amazon.com/Constantines-Sword-Chur...

[MIDutch]

saviorself wrote:

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or an apologist, I suppose. There COULD be a vested interest in trying to pretend that Nazism did not have an inherent genetic superiority belief to it. Certainly, as it gets further lost to the fog of history, it has definately become easier and easier to pretend that that was not the case. Goerbils would be proud of you as well, Matt from Akron. After all, all you have to do is repeat a lie often enough for it to become the truth.

Madame/Mr. Saviorself, I apologize in advance for having to point this out to you, but many of Hitler's speeches and writing survive to this very day. IF you really want to (my guess is that you won't) you can actually go and read what Hitler actually said and wrote. Please note how many times he says God or Almighty or Creator or Christian. Please compare to how many times he says Darwin or "evolution".

How do you suppose a neutral reader will see Hitler's words? What do you think they will say was Hitler's main influence? Christianity or evolution?

[MIDutch]

saviorself wrote:

<quoted text>In fact, in EVERY propopoganda speech GIVEN by Hitler in refernce to the Jews referred to their "social deficiencies" and their "corrputing influence on the Germanic peoples."

People who produce pornography are a "corrupting influence" on the American peoples. How is this an issue with the ToE?

The KKK have "social deficiencies". How is this an issue to be blamed on the ToE?